Whose “Hype” is bigger Alessi vs Deegan?

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themx11 10/9/2025 9:39am
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Gimmea2Smoke wrote:
lil Deegs is gonna be Barcia2.0. Stamp it. He'll get a win here and there when stars align, but for the most part, his headlines will...

lil Deegs is gonna be Barcia2.0. Stamp it. He'll get a win here and there when stars align, but for the most part, his headlines will be reduced to 20 vital threads about whatever boneheaded bullshit he pulled on Sat night each week. Nothing more.

In supercross this wouldn’t surprise me. But I think he will be pretty dangerous outdoors. Not sure anyone will touch Jett for the next decade but he’s probably the best chance outdoors. 

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Gravel wrote:

Attitude wise, it’s different ends of the same turd..

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HAHAHAHA.. God dam I laughed at that. Thank You

That was funny, I'll try and remember that one!

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Gimmea2Smoke wrote:
lil Deegs is gonna be Barcia2.0. Stamp it. He'll get a win here and there when stars align, but for the most part, his headlines will...

lil Deegs is gonna be Barcia2.0. Stamp it. He'll get a win here and there when stars align, but for the most part, his headlines will be reduced to 20 vital threads about whatever boneheaded bullshit he pulled on Sat night each week. Nothing more.

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In supercross this wouldn’t surprise me. But I think he will be pretty dangerous outdoors. Not sure anyone will touch Jett for the next decade but...

In supercross this wouldn’t surprise me. But I think he will be pretty dangerous outdoors. Not sure anyone will touch Jett for the next decade but he’s probably the best chance outdoors. 

respectfully disagree. CW2 was mopping the floor on the 250 in MX. Then he moved to 450 and has done nil outdoors. I predict the same for lil Deegs. He's going to become Barcia2.0 and will have good days/nights...but for the most part...will be a non-issue. Stamp it. ;-)

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Different era, but one thing to note is that Mike didn't have a social media/marketing team pushing the hype. 

Mike still had plenty of hype before going pro. 

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I got to meet Mike briefly when he stayed at ClubMX in 2016. Like most people, I had a negative perception of him and his family before he got there, all of which changed when I got to talk to him. He was extremely down to earth and very friendly to chat with. He could've been like most high profile pros and hid in his own private garage away from everyone, but he would take time out of his routine or between motos to cheer random guys on track during training sessions. I even ran into him years later when I was doing the Canadian nationals, where he remembered me by name and struck a conversation, which he was still an awesome guy to talk to. Of course he made his fair share of mistakes throughout his career but there was something about the way he carried himself, where you knew he had to live with said mistakes (would bet good money it keeps him up at night) and he kept trying to be a good person anyway. 

I never met Tony personally, but I remember Brandon Haas (owner of ClubMX) spoke very highly of him. I can understand a lot of the criticism Tony has got for his questionable decisions, but for what it's worth, people should know that it was Tony who saw the potential in Cameron McAdoo while he was staying at Club and extended him rider support to turn pro. If it weren't for Tony's help, McAdoo's pro career would look wildly different or not exist at all.

Another neat character trait of Mike is how he's continued his life after his 'retirement' from pro racing. He trains as hard as he did when he was a factory rider, does a great job of representing the companies willing to support him and sets a great example to those still following him. It's safe to say the guy eats, sleeps and breathes everything with the purpose of bettering himself as a rider. No social media drama, just a guy who loves the sport.

Meanwhile the Deegans, specifically Brian, will nonchalantly throw shade at them, while the irony is lost on them that they've become more insufferable people than the Alessi family ever was.

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Different era, but one thing to note is that Mike didn't have a social media/marketing team pushing the hype. Mike still had plenty of hype before going...

Different era, but one thing to note is that Mike didn't have a social media/marketing team pushing the hype. 

Mike still had plenty of hype before going pro. 

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3strokemx wrote:
Alessi had potential and a Dad that talked too much.Deegan has hype.

Alessi had potential and a Dad that talked too much.

Deegan has hype.

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Alessi came out of amateurs and into Millville running as a privateer effort because, in Tony's words, " Your sponsors through the amateur ranks get you...

Alessi came out of amateurs and into Millville running as a privateer effort because, in Tony's words, " Your sponsors through the amateur ranks get you to the pro level, and then once you go pro you leave them.....we dont want to do that and we can run with the factory teams just as we are".

 

Only years later did we find out that Mike had a Honda contract ready to sign, Tony said they wanted to do a bike test first. Only Tony showed up, ripped the bike up and down the parking lot, told the Honda guys "your bike is a 7, ours is a 10".....Honda loaded up the bike and threw the contract in the shredder.

 

If someone with no intimate knowledge of Mike Alessi looked at his amateur career VS his pro career, it would make absolutely no sense.

I have always believed that Mike's incredible LACK of race craft stemmed from his start ability and never having to work through the pack, and that was confirmed by Tony on Pulp a few years ago.

Tony has now said multiple times that he should have held Mike on the gate for 30 seconds/start backwards, but they literally paid the mortgage with Yamaha/Honda contingency money....Tony couldn't risk losing the house because he wanted Mike to learn how to pass people.

 

Mike is a good man who got a really bad rap for a lot of years because of the environment that Tony created. Tony is a good man that went bat shit insane for 20 years doing what he thought were the right things....If you met the Tony of today you wouldnt have a clue that he is the same Tony that told Vuillemin that there is a Drug Ring inside MX sports or the same Tony that spit in Millsaps dads face at World Minis. Tony runs a MX for kids race series and is the cheerleader for every kid on the side of the track......

 

Mike made millions racing. His career is the polar opposite of a failure. All that said, the rider he was VS the rider he should have been are not even on the same planet.

 

I got lost in the weeds there, but to go back to the original questions.... Alessi & Deegan are only comparable in their controversy. Outside of their ability to make headlines having nothing to do with results, they are not even in the same conversation.

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Is that copy and pasted from ChatGPT?

It was not, but I dont know whether to take that as a compliment or as a dig......Ill go with the former and say thank you! ha

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Mossy940 wrote:
Alessi came out of amateurs and into Millville running as a privateer effort because, in Tony's words, " Your sponsors through the amateur ranks get you...

Alessi came out of amateurs and into Millville running as a privateer effort because, in Tony's words, " Your sponsors through the amateur ranks get you to the pro level, and then once you go pro you leave them.....we dont want to do that and we can run with the factory teams just as we are".

 

Only years later did we find out that Mike had a Honda contract ready to sign, Tony said they wanted to do a bike test first. Only Tony showed up, ripped the bike up and down the parking lot, told the Honda guys "your bike is a 7, ours is a 10".....Honda loaded up the bike and threw the contract in the shredder.

 

If someone with no intimate knowledge of Mike Alessi looked at his amateur career VS his pro career, it would make absolutely no sense.

I have always believed that Mike's incredible LACK of race craft stemmed from his start ability and never having to work through the pack, and that was confirmed by Tony on Pulp a few years ago.

Tony has now said multiple times that he should have held Mike on the gate for 30 seconds/start backwards, but they literally paid the mortgage with Yamaha/Honda contingency money....Tony couldn't risk losing the house because he wanted Mike to learn how to pass people.

 

Mike is a good man who got a really bad rap for a lot of years because of the environment that Tony created. Tony is a good man that went bat shit insane for 20 years doing what he thought were the right things....If you met the Tony of today you wouldnt have a clue that he is the same Tony that told Vuillemin that there is a Drug Ring inside MX sports or the same Tony that spit in Millsaps dads face at World Minis. Tony runs a MX for kids race series and is the cheerleader for every kid on the side of the track......

 

Mike made millions racing. His career is the polar opposite of a failure. All that said, the rider he was VS the rider he should have been are not even on the same planet.

 

I got lost in the weeds there, but to go back to the original questions.... Alessi & Deegan are only comparable in their controversy. Outside of their ability to make headlines having nothing to do with results, they are not even in the same conversation.

Cargo wrote:

Is that copy and pasted from ChatGPT?

Mossy940 wrote:
It was not, but I dont know whether to take that as a compliment or as a dig......Ill go with the former and say thank you...

It was not, but I dont know whether to take that as a compliment or as a dig......Ill go with the former and say thank you! ha

You should definitely take it as a dig 🤷‍♂️

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Are people's memories that short to to have forgotten about the Jett hype before he moved up to 450?

The arguments back and forth between about how he was the next generational talent vs he hasn't even raced a 450 yet went on for at least 2 years.

 

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Johnny Ringo wrote:
You guys really weren’t around for 2005 were you. There was no bigger hype. 

You guys really weren’t around for 2005 were you. There was no bigger hype. 

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mark_swart wrote:
Great point -- but I would argue that Stewart's hype was 100% justified. He got 6th in that mudder A1, so it's easy to write that...

Great point -- but I would argue that Stewart's hype was 100% justified. He got 6th in that mudder A1, so it's easy to write that off. Then he got hurt the next race (wrist I think?). Look at the results after he came back after missing eight rounds: 3rd in Orlando, and then his first win the next week in Texas, followed by two more down the stretch.

Hot take: There is no universe where Deegan wins his third-ever 450SX, or wins three 450SX races his rookie season even if he makes every round. Not. A. Chance.

what if jett tears his acl, hunter ruins his shoulder, and eli breaks his leg....you know kinda like what happened last year lol

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Steiny Part-2 10/9/2025 12:02pm
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Something to note, The Alessis had nothing to do with the believe the hype T-shirts. That was Vurb Moto and they gave them to the Alessis to wear.

 

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3strokemx wrote:
Alessi had potential and a Dad that talked too much.Deegan has hype.

Alessi had potential and a Dad that talked too much.

Deegan has hype.

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Mossy940 wrote:
Alessi came out of amateurs and into Millville running as a privateer effort because, in Tony's words, " Your sponsors through the amateur ranks get you...

Alessi came out of amateurs and into Millville running as a privateer effort because, in Tony's words, " Your sponsors through the amateur ranks get you to the pro level, and then once you go pro you leave them.....we dont want to do that and we can run with the factory teams just as we are".

 

Only years later did we find out that Mike had a Honda contract ready to sign, Tony said they wanted to do a bike test first. Only Tony showed up, ripped the bike up and down the parking lot, told the Honda guys "your bike is a 7, ours is a 10".....Honda loaded up the bike and threw the contract in the shredder.

 

If someone with no intimate knowledge of Mike Alessi looked at his amateur career VS his pro career, it would make absolutely no sense.

I have always believed that Mike's incredible LACK of race craft stemmed from his start ability and never having to work through the pack, and that was confirmed by Tony on Pulp a few years ago.

Tony has now said multiple times that he should have held Mike on the gate for 30 seconds/start backwards, but they literally paid the mortgage with Yamaha/Honda contingency money....Tony couldn't risk losing the house because he wanted Mike to learn how to pass people.

 

Mike is a good man who got a really bad rap for a lot of years because of the environment that Tony created. Tony is a good man that went bat shit insane for 20 years doing what he thought were the right things....If you met the Tony of today you wouldnt have a clue that he is the same Tony that told Vuillemin that there is a Drug Ring inside MX sports or the same Tony that spit in Millsaps dads face at World Minis. Tony runs a MX for kids race series and is the cheerleader for every kid on the side of the track......

 

Mike made millions racing. His career is the polar opposite of a failure. All that said, the rider he was VS the rider he should have been are not even on the same planet.

 

I got lost in the weeds there, but to go back to the original questions.... Alessi & Deegan are only comparable in their controversy. Outside of their ability to make headlines having nothing to do with results, they are not even in the same conversation.

 One reason they ripped up that contract was because Tony wanted a package deal for both kids, Honda only wanted Mike.  Tony made a lot of mistakes, but the biggest imho, is not letting Mike go to Honda by himself while Tony spent his time with Jeff, I’ve even told him that. Mike and jeff both could’ve been great under the right directions. 

 Mike and Tony both are good dudes.  
 

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SPODEBOY 10/9/2025 12:13pm
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Alessi's move from AM to PRO was just that, Hype. He had not accomplished anything in the pros as the hype would elude to. 

Deegan has already accomplished so much in the 2-fiddys that his move up is anything but hype. 

One thing worthy of notating is that Deegan has been able to draw a line right down the middle of the fan base unlike anyone else before.

HATERS = New Fragile Panzie Fans

SUPPORTERS = Those who know every champ in this sports history has done everything Deegan has done in terms of aggression etc. And therefore see it all as great entertainment and racing taking none of it personal.

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Johnny Ringo wrote:
You guys really weren’t around for 2005 were you. There was no bigger hype. 

You guys really weren’t around for 2005 were you. There was no bigger hype. 

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mark_swart wrote:
Great point -- but I would argue that Stewart's hype was 100% justified. He got 6th in that mudder A1, so it's easy to write that...

Great point -- but I would argue that Stewart's hype was 100% justified. He got 6th in that mudder A1, so it's easy to write that off. Then he got hurt the next race (wrist I think?). Look at the results after he came back after missing eight rounds: 3rd in Orlando, and then his first win the next week in Texas, followed by two more down the stretch.

Hot take: There is no universe where Deegan wins his third-ever 450SX, or wins three 450SX races his rookie season even if he makes every round. Not. A. Chance.

ZinAZ wrote:

what if jett tears his acl, hunter ruins his shoulder, and eli breaks his leg....you know kinda like what happened last year lol

Then he still has to go through Chase Sexton and Cooper Webb? I get what you're saying though, stuff can happen.

 Also probably worth mentioning Stew had to go through RC and Reed in their primes in '05, no asterisk on his rookie season wins.

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aeffertz wrote:
You can tell it isn’t ChatGPT because what he said was all true and not filled with falsities. You guys need to retune your AI detectors...

You can tell it isn’t ChatGPT because what he said was all true and not filled with falsities. You guys need to retune your AI detectors! Just because someone wrote more than one or two sentences doesn’t mean it’s AI. 

Not enough dashes to trip the AI detectors. 

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Haiden Deegan has WON 5 (or 3 Time, take your pick) AMA Championships at the age of 19.


5 AMA championships at nineteen years old.... 

2 time AMA 250 National Champion

1 AMA 250 West Supercross Championship

2 time AMA SuperMotocross World Champion

Anyway you slice up those facts, it is literally the very definition of "living up to the hype" before you are 20 years old. 

I'm seeing that people get " double mad" when a big mouth is backed up by actions....mad at what he says and then mad again when he backs it up. That ain't the way. What about "his flowers?" 😂

He's been the most fit (animal fitness, wears down riders at end of races), least scared (always just sends shit crazily), and a hard charger with a relentless thirst for winning in the 250 class for a while now. 

He's faster than Shimoda and has beat him regularly, and we all just saw how Jo faired against Jett at the MXoN on a 450....it's not reasonable to think Haiden on a 450 can do a little better than that...at least?? 

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Haiden Deegan has WON 5 (or 3 Time, take your pick) AMA Championships at the age of 19.5 AMA championships at nineteen years old.... 2 time AMA...

Haiden Deegan has WON 5 (or 3 Time, take your pick) AMA Championships at the age of 19.


5 AMA championships at nineteen years old.... 

2 time AMA 250 National Champion

1 AMA 250 West Supercross Championship

2 time AMA SuperMotocross World Champion

Anyway you slice up those facts, it is literally the very definition of "living up to the hype" before you are 20 years old. 

I'm seeing that people get " double mad" when a big mouth is backed up by actions....mad at what he says and then mad again when he backs it up. That ain't the way. What about "his flowers?" 😂

He's been the most fit (animal fitness, wears down riders at end of races), least scared (always just sends shit crazily), and a hard charger with a relentless thirst for winning in the 250 class for a while now. 

He's faster than Shimoda and has beat him regularly, and we all just saw how Jo faired against Jett at the MXoN on a 450....it's not reasonable to think Haiden on a 450 can do a little better than that...at least?? 

2x national champion,  1 time regional title..

 

There.. Fixed it for ya

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imscaredofjumps 10/9/2025 12:38pm
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Some may say deegan lurks on this forum in order to come up with more polarizing shit to say on the podium when he cleans Jett out and runs away.

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Alessi's move from AM to PRO was just that, Hype. He had not accomplished anything in the pros as the hype would elude to. Deegan has already...

Alessi's move from AM to PRO was just that, Hype. He had not accomplished anything in the pros as the hype would elude to. 

Deegan has already accomplished so much in the 2-fiddys that his move up is anything but hype. 

One thing worthy of notating is that Deegan has been able to draw a line right down the middle of the fan base unlike anyone else before.

HATERS = New Fragile Panzie Fans

SUPPORTERS = Those who know every champ in this sports history has done everything Deegan has done in terms of aggression etc. And therefore see it all as great entertainment and racing taking none of it personal.

I'm getting hyped for Deegan to go to Arenacross. It's gonna be epic!

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lil Deegs is gonna be Barcia2.0. Stamp it. He'll get a win here and there when stars align, but for the most part, his headlines will...

lil Deegs is gonna be Barcia2.0. Stamp it. He'll get a win here and there when stars align, but for the most part, his headlines will be reduced to 20 vital threads about whatever boneheaded bullshit he pulled on Sat night each week. Nothing more.

I always look at the delusional people who agree to comments like this and block them.

Too dumb for me to even look at.

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For you guys that didn't watch the cringe lord during his 85 or 250 am days, he was pretty much like now... if he could pass someone, it was always with a nudge and a look back... even slower riders, he had to pass with attitude to make sure they knew who the cringe lord was... far cry from Alessi/js7/ac amateur days when they won with raw speed... 

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gt80rider wrote:
For you guys that didn't watch the cringe lord during his 85 or 250 am days, he was pretty much like now... if he could pass...

For you guys that didn't watch the cringe lord during his 85 or 250 am days, he was pretty much like now... if he could pass someone, it was always with a nudge and a look back... even slower riders, he had to pass with attitude to make sure they knew who the cringe lord was... far cry from Alessi/js7/ac amateur days when they won with raw speed... 

Another retard blocked…


A 5 time champ “far cry from raw speed…” shut up you drooling old moran 

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Mossy940 10/9/2025 12:57pm
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Cargo wrote:

Is that copy and pasted from ChatGPT?

Mossy940 wrote:
It was not, but I dont know whether to take that as a compliment or as a dig......Ill go with the former and say thank you...

It was not, but I dont know whether to take that as a compliment or as a dig......Ill go with the former and say thank you! ha

Cargo wrote:

You should definitely take it as a dig 🤷‍♂️

Thanks dick!

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I’m not sure I have seen this much hype behind a rider moving from the lites class to the premier class since Mike Alessi did his...

I’m not sure I have seen this much hype behind a rider moving from the lites class to the premier class since Mike Alessi did his “Believe the hype” campaign when he was moving up. We all see how he faced reality when he saw how different things are in the 450 class so, this is a two part question. 

1) Whose hype is bigger

2) What’s your opinion on how danger boy is actually going to fair his first year


Personally I think Mike made a bigger deal about moving up and created a lot of anticipation and loved he made those funny T Shirts.

I think Deegan will have some success to include maybe winning a round of SX and a round or two of MX but I see him as a top 5-8 guy on races he doesn’t crash out of. 

Dumb easy question..

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Haiden Deegan has WON 5 (or 3 Time, take your pick) AMA Championships at the age of 19.5 AMA championships at nineteen years old.... 2 time AMA...

Haiden Deegan has WON 5 (or 3 Time, take your pick) AMA Championships at the age of 19.


5 AMA championships at nineteen years old.... 

2 time AMA 250 National Champion

1 AMA 250 West Supercross Championship

2 time AMA SuperMotocross World Champion

Anyway you slice up those facts, it is literally the very definition of "living up to the hype" before you are 20 years old. 

I'm seeing that people get " double mad" when a big mouth is backed up by actions....mad at what he says and then mad again when he backs it up. That ain't the way. What about "his flowers?" 😂

He's been the most fit (animal fitness, wears down riders at end of races), least scared (always just sends shit crazily), and a hard charger with a relentless thirst for winning in the 250 class for a while now. 

He's faster than Shimoda and has beat him regularly, and we all just saw how Jo faired against Jett at the MXoN on a 450....it's not reasonable to think Haiden on a 450 can do a little better than that...at least?? 

Your logic would be sound but people said the same about Pourcel and Barcia, Justin has had some success moving up, especially in his first couple of years but you never know whether they’ll over perform/under perform until the races actually take place. Also, personal conjecture but Jo’s style has always seemed like it would translate a lot better to a 450 than most other styles

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respectfully disagree. CW2 was mopping the floor on the 250 in MX. Then he moved to 450 and has done nil outdoors. I predict the same...

respectfully disagree. CW2 was mopping the floor on the 250 in MX. Then he moved to 450 and has done nil outdoors. I predict the same for lil Deegs. He's going to become Barcia2.0 and will have good days/nights...but for the most part...will be a non-issue. Stamp it. ;-)

Cooper Webb didn’t mop the floor in the 250 class. His overall outdoor results were, 9, 3, 11, 1 respectively. If you can’t see the difference between Deegan’s 250 career and Justin Barcia or Cooper Webb’s 250 numbers you are either not looking at the results or biased. 

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SPODEBOY wrote:
Alessi's move from AM to PRO was just that, Hype. He had not accomplished anything in the pros as the hype would elude to. Deegan has already...

Alessi's move from AM to PRO was just that, Hype. He had not accomplished anything in the pros as the hype would elude to. 

Deegan has already accomplished so much in the 2-fiddys that his move up is anything but hype. 

One thing worthy of notating is that Deegan has been able to draw a line right down the middle of the fan base unlike anyone else before.

HATERS = New Fragile Panzie Fans

SUPPORTERS = Those who know every champ in this sports history has done everything Deegan has done in terms of aggression etc. And therefore see it all as great entertainment and racing taking none of it personal.

And so far I have found 5..

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Chris_Buehler 10/9/2025 2:44pm
10/9/2025 2:44pm

The entir premise to the thread is flawed since the hype for Mike was him turning pro, not going to the 450 class. Its not like he went to the premier class with a head of steam after not winning any 250 titles and his amateur rival, RV, spanking him. So there is obviously more hype for Deegz with his vastly superior 250 career 

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Black Diesel Bomber 10/9/2025 3:02pm
10/9/2025 3:02pm
GateDropGoGo wrote:
Haiden Deegan has WON 5 (or 3 Time, take your pick) AMA Championships at the age of 19.5 AMA championships at nineteen years old.... 2 time AMA...

Haiden Deegan has WON 5 (or 3 Time, take your pick) AMA Championships at the age of 19.


5 AMA championships at nineteen years old.... 

2 time AMA 250 National Champion

1 AMA 250 West Supercross Championship

2 time AMA SuperMotocross World Champion

Anyway you slice up those facts, it is literally the very definition of "living up to the hype" before you are 20 years old. 

I'm seeing that people get " double mad" when a big mouth is backed up by actions....mad at what he says and then mad again when he backs it up. That ain't the way. What about "his flowers?" 😂

He's been the most fit (animal fitness, wears down riders at end of races), least scared (always just sends shit crazily), and a hard charger with a relentless thirst for winning in the 250 class for a while now. 

He's faster than Shimoda and has beat him regularly, and we all just saw how Jo faired against Jett at the MXoN on a 450....it's not reasonable to think Haiden on a 450 can do a little better than that...at least?? 

Hahaha, shame on you.  Come on over and join me with all the Deegan haters and Fragile Franks.  It's an entertaining read as they've been stopping by in between their circle jerk sessions:

https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/moto-related/shogun-jo-front-pack

 

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Black Diesel Bomber 10/9/2025 3:08pm
10/9/2025 3:08pm
SPODEBOY wrote:
Alessi's move from AM to PRO was just that, Hype. He had not accomplished anything in the pros as the hype would elude to. Deegan has already...

Alessi's move from AM to PRO was just that, Hype. He had not accomplished anything in the pros as the hype would elude to. 

Deegan has already accomplished so much in the 2-fiddys that his move up is anything but hype. 

One thing worthy of notating is that Deegan has been able to draw a line right down the middle of the fan base unlike anyone else before.

HATERS = New Fragile Panzie Fans

SUPPORTERS = Those who know every champ in this sports history has done everything Deegan has done in terms of aggression etc. And therefore see it all as great entertainment and racing taking none of it personal.

SPODEBOY wrote:

And so far I have found 5..

Tons of them have identified themselves in this classic thread:

https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/moto-related/shogun-jo-front-pack

 

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