What the hell was the Netherlands manager saying about not having Herlings?

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yak651 wrote:

Don’t pay creature no mind, he’ll say this about Helings but also claim Deegs is generational 

Well if we’re comparing 250 careers it’s not even close. 38 dominated 2 mx titles in his first 3 years. Now he’s moving up. Took Herlings...

Well if we’re comparing 250 careers it’s not even close. 38 dominated 2 mx titles in his first 3 years. Now he’s moving up. Took Herlings until year 3 to get his first and he had so much fun doing it he decided to stay for 4 more years 

Herlings was 15 years old when he entered the MX2 class, with Roczen (another generational talent) and Musquin as his main competition. Won his third GP with a 1-1. Battled for the championship until he dislocated his shoulder. Year two him and Roczen dominated the field and he lost the title to Roczen with 19 points. Year three, 2012 he won his first championship. Even had to battle and race with broken ribs and shoulder due to a car accident in Russia. Do you want me to elaborate more of his career? Because what Herlings has done on a 250 is something Deegan can only dream of. 

Yes he is impressive, but I haven't seen him lapping the entire field yet. Herlings was putting +40 sec on his competition nearly every race in his mx2 days

 

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yak651 wrote:

Don’t pay creature no mind, he’ll say this about Helings but also claim Deegs is generational 

Well if we’re comparing 250 careers it’s not even close. 38 dominated 2 mx titles in his first 3 years. Now he’s moving up. Took Herlings...

Well if we’re comparing 250 careers it’s not even close. 38 dominated 2 mx titles in his first 3 years. Now he’s moving up. Took Herlings until year 3 to get his first and he had so much fun doing it he decided to stay for 4 more years 

Cortami79 wrote:
Herlings was 15 years old when he entered the MX2 class, with Roczen (another generational talent) and Musquin as his main competition. Won his third GP...

Herlings was 15 years old when he entered the MX2 class, with Roczen (another generational talent) and Musquin as his main competition. Won his third GP with a 1-1. Battled for the championship until he dislocated his shoulder. Year two him and Roczen dominated the field and he lost the title to Roczen with 19 points. Year three, 2012 he won his first championship. Even had to battle and race with broken ribs and shoulder due to a car accident in Russia. Do you want me to elaborate more of his career? Because what Herlings has done on a 250 is something Deegan can only dream of. 

Yes he is impressive, but I haven't seen him lapping the entire field yet. Herlings was putting +40 sec on his competition nearly every race in his mx2 days

 

This creature guy had to be a bot!! We all know that he would have been battling for wins yesterday period!! Shame on the Netherlands for not picking him as he would have destroyed that track!!

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yak651 wrote:

Don’t pay creature no mind, he’ll say this about Helings but also claim Deegs is generational 

Well if we’re comparing 250 careers it’s not even close. 38 dominated 2 mx titles in his first 3 years. Now he’s moving up. Took Herlings...

Well if we’re comparing 250 careers it’s not even close. 38 dominated 2 mx titles in his first 3 years. Now he’s moving up. Took Herlings until year 3 to get his first and he had so much fun doing it he decided to stay for 4 more years 

Cortami79 wrote:
Herlings was 15 years old when he entered the MX2 class, with Roczen (another generational talent) and Musquin as his main competition. Won his third GP...

Herlings was 15 years old when he entered the MX2 class, with Roczen (another generational talent) and Musquin as his main competition. Won his third GP with a 1-1. Battled for the championship until he dislocated his shoulder. Year two him and Roczen dominated the field and he lost the title to Roczen with 19 points. Year three, 2012 he won his first championship. Even had to battle and race with broken ribs and shoulder due to a car accident in Russia. Do you want me to elaborate more of his career? Because what Herlings has done on a 250 is something Deegan can only dream of. 

Yes he is impressive, but I haven't seen him lapping the entire field yet. Herlings was putting +40 sec on his competition nearly every race in his mx2 days

 

Finally someone with common sense. Creature dude probably has watched a total of 0 races of Herlings on an MX2 bike. Herlings staying on a 250 had nothing to do with "fun". 

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Herlings could take on anyone in the ama and gp, The Lawrence brothers maybe depends on the track but in his prime without a doubt. He could fight for the win. Forget the titles and everything but Jeffrey raw speed in best days was probably faster then jet is now.. imagine that 

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10/6/2025 8:17am
yak651 wrote:

Don’t pay creature no mind, he’ll say this about Helings but also claim Deegs is generational 

Well if we’re comparing 250 careers it’s not even close. 38 dominated 2 mx titles in his first 3 years. Now he’s moving up. Took Herlings...

Well if we’re comparing 250 careers it’s not even close. 38 dominated 2 mx titles in his first 3 years. Now he’s moving up. Took Herlings until year 3 to get his first and he had so much fun doing it he decided to stay for 4 more years 

Cortami79 wrote:
Herlings was 15 years old when he entered the MX2 class, with Roczen (another generational talent) and Musquin as his main competition. Won his third GP...

Herlings was 15 years old when he entered the MX2 class, with Roczen (another generational talent) and Musquin as his main competition. Won his third GP with a 1-1. Battled for the championship until he dislocated his shoulder. Year two him and Roczen dominated the field and he lost the title to Roczen with 19 points. Year three, 2012 he won his first championship. Even had to battle and race with broken ribs and shoulder due to a car accident in Russia. Do you want me to elaborate more of his career? Because what Herlings has done on a 250 is something Deegan can only dream of. 

Yes he is impressive, but I haven't seen him lapping the entire field yet. Herlings was putting +40 sec on his competition nearly every race in his mx2 days

 

Age is irrelevant, don’t turn pro if you’re not ready for it to be analyzed. I actually started watching GPs in 2010, he was not in that title fight marv won it easy. He didn’t start winning by those huge margins until the sandbagging years after 2012. Which we won’t see from Deegan cuz he’s done with the kid class. Deegan went 1-1 in his rookie year against some impressive guys as well. Then not only did he win year 2 he dominated. It’s literally not even close between their 250 careers. Herlings fans hate facts, “did you see how fast he went?!?!?!” Yeh I did and we keep score for a reason guys. Or else Sasha Coenen would already be the goat

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Age is irrelevant, don’t turn pro if you’re not ready for it to be analyzed. I actually started watching GPs in 2010, he was not in...

Age is irrelevant, don’t turn pro if you’re not ready for it to be analyzed. I actually started watching GPs in 2010, he was not in that title fight marv won it easy. He didn’t start winning by those huge margins until the sandbagging years after 2012. Which we won’t see from Deegan cuz he’s done with the kid class. Deegan went 1-1 in his rookie year against some impressive guys as well. Then not only did he win year 2 he dominated. It’s literally not even close between their 250 careers. Herlings fans hate facts, “did you see how fast he went?!?!?!” Yeh I did and we keep score for a reason guys. Or else Sasha Coenen would already be the goat

Cool story bro. Proper interesting all of that. 

Doesn't change the fact Herlings should have been picked over Vlaanderen for this years MXoN though which was everyones point surrounding him and this years event lol 

You can finish cry wanking over Deegan now. 

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Age is irrelevant, don’t turn pro if you’re not ready for it to be analyzed. I actually started watching GPs in 2010, he was not in...

Age is irrelevant, don’t turn pro if you’re not ready for it to be analyzed. I actually started watching GPs in 2010, he was not in that title fight marv won it easy. He didn’t start winning by those huge margins until the sandbagging years after 2012. Which we won’t see from Deegan cuz he’s done with the kid class. Deegan went 1-1 in his rookie year against some impressive guys as well. Then not only did he win year 2 he dominated. It’s literally not even close between their 250 careers. Herlings fans hate facts, “did you see how fast he went?!?!?!” Yeh I did and we keep score for a reason guys. Or else Sasha Coenen would already be the goat

Cool story bro. Proper interesting all of that. Doesn't change the fact Herlings should have been picked over Vlaanderen for this years MXoN though which was everyones...

Cool story bro. Proper interesting all of that. 

Doesn't change the fact Herlings should have been picked over Vlaanderen for this years MXoN though which was everyones point surrounding him and this years event lol 

You can finish cry wanking over Deegan now. 

I agree, but not on the "Herlings should've been picked over Vlaanderen"-part.

Hot take: if it came down on speed and current fitness at the time of MXoN (which should be the criteria for every team), Coldenhoff wouldn't / shouldn't have made the selection. Not out of hindsight because he got injured on Saturday (which wasn't even his own fault), but because both Herlings and Vlaanderen were obviously better as him in the final 3 GP's of the season. The heavy crash on Saturday at Turkey and the long season took it's toll on Coldenhoff. Herlings should've been picked over him, not over Vlaanderen. It doesn't matter who was the fastest or who was higher in the standings two months prior to the MXoN. It matters who's in the best shape at the time of the race. "The best men should go" was often said by Marc de Reuver when he was still racing. Well, he's right about that. And Coldenhoff wasn't one of the best at that time of the season.

On the other hand, it's not an easy task for a team manager to leave the guy who ended up 3rd in the worldchampionship at home either.

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10/9/2025 2:55am
DeStouwer wrote:
I agree, but not on the "Herlings should've been picked over Vlaanderen"-part.Hot take: if it came down on speed and current fitness at the time of...

I agree, but not on the "Herlings should've been picked over Vlaanderen"-part.

Hot take: if it came down on speed and current fitness at the time of MXoN (which should be the criteria for every team), Coldenhoff wouldn't / shouldn't have made the selection. Not out of hindsight because he got injured on Saturday (which wasn't even his own fault), but because both Herlings and Vlaanderen were obviously better as him in the final 3 GP's of the season. The heavy crash on Saturday at Turkey and the long season took it's toll on Coldenhoff. Herlings should've been picked over him, not over Vlaanderen. It doesn't matter who was the fastest or who was higher in the standings two months prior to the MXoN. It matters who's in the best shape at the time of the race. "The best men should go" was often said by Marc de Reuver when he was still racing. Well, he's right about that. And Coldenhoff wasn't one of the best at that time of the season.

On the other hand, it's not an easy task for a team manager to leave the guy who ended up 3rd in the worldchampionship at home either.

Did you listen to Vlaanderen's interview?

🤔

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I agree, but not on the "Herlings should've been picked over Vlaanderen"-part.Hot take: if it came down on speed and current fitness at the time of...

I agree, but not on the "Herlings should've been picked over Vlaanderen"-part.

Hot take: if it came down on speed and current fitness at the time of MXoN (which should be the criteria for every team), Coldenhoff wouldn't / shouldn't have made the selection. Not out of hindsight because he got injured on Saturday (which wasn't even his own fault), but because both Herlings and Vlaanderen were obviously better as him in the final 3 GP's of the season. The heavy crash on Saturday at Turkey and the long season took it's toll on Coldenhoff. Herlings should've been picked over him, not over Vlaanderen. It doesn't matter who was the fastest or who was higher in the standings two months prior to the MXoN. It matters who's in the best shape at the time of the race. "The best men should go" was often said by Marc de Reuver when he was still racing. Well, he's right about that. And Coldenhoff wasn't one of the best at that time of the season.

On the other hand, it's not an easy task for a team manager to leave the guy who ended up 3rd in the worldchampionship at home either.

Did you listen to Vlaanderen's interview?

🤔

I'm purely talking about sportive reasons, not financial or contractual.

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10/9/2025 3:20am
DeStouwer wrote:
I agree, but not on the "Herlings should've been picked over Vlaanderen"-part.Hot take: if it came down on speed and current fitness at the time of...

I agree, but not on the "Herlings should've been picked over Vlaanderen"-part.

Hot take: if it came down on speed and current fitness at the time of MXoN (which should be the criteria for every team), Coldenhoff wouldn't / shouldn't have made the selection. Not out of hindsight because he got injured on Saturday (which wasn't even his own fault), but because both Herlings and Vlaanderen were obviously better as him in the final 3 GP's of the season. The heavy crash on Saturday at Turkey and the long season took it's toll on Coldenhoff. Herlings should've been picked over him, not over Vlaanderen. It doesn't matter who was the fastest or who was higher in the standings two months prior to the MXoN. It matters who's in the best shape at the time of the race. "The best men should go" was often said by Marc de Reuver when he was still racing. Well, he's right about that. And Coldenhoff wasn't one of the best at that time of the season.

On the other hand, it's not an easy task for a team manager to leave the guy who ended up 3rd in the worldchampionship at home either.

Did you listen to Vlaanderen's interview?

🤔

What was said during the interview?

 

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10/9/2025 3:46am Edited Date/Time 10/9/2025 3:47am
DeStouwer wrote:
I agree, but not on the "Herlings should've been picked over Vlaanderen"-part.Hot take: if it came down on speed and current fitness at the time of...

I agree, but not on the "Herlings should've been picked over Vlaanderen"-part.

Hot take: if it came down on speed and current fitness at the time of MXoN (which should be the criteria for every team), Coldenhoff wouldn't / shouldn't have made the selection. Not out of hindsight because he got injured on Saturday (which wasn't even his own fault), but because both Herlings and Vlaanderen were obviously better as him in the final 3 GP's of the season. The heavy crash on Saturday at Turkey and the long season took it's toll on Coldenhoff. Herlings should've been picked over him, not over Vlaanderen. It doesn't matter who was the fastest or who was higher in the standings two months prior to the MXoN. It matters who's in the best shape at the time of the race. "The best men should go" was often said by Marc de Reuver when he was still racing. Well, he's right about that. And Coldenhoff wasn't one of the best at that time of the season.

On the other hand, it's not an easy task for a team manager to leave the guy who ended up 3rd in the worldchampionship at home either.

Did you listen to Vlaanderen's interview?

🤔

Boomslang wrote:

What was said during the interview?

 

Calvin said he got a ton of DMs from fans cursing him out claiming he “took” Herlings’ spot on the team. Also said he wishes JH and team Netherlands had just said what really happened instead of saying “Jeffery just didn’t get picked” so Calvin wouldn’t get all this unnecessary hate and backlash. 

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I feel sorry for Calvin. But I wonder what the real reason is as to why Jeffrey wasn't on the team. Calvin makes out that there's more to it...

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DeStouwer wrote:
I agree, but not on the "Herlings should've been picked over Vlaanderen"-part.Hot take: if it came down on speed and current fitness at the time of...

I agree, but not on the "Herlings should've been picked over Vlaanderen"-part.

Hot take: if it came down on speed and current fitness at the time of MXoN (which should be the criteria for every team), Coldenhoff wouldn't / shouldn't have made the selection. Not out of hindsight because he got injured on Saturday (which wasn't even his own fault), but because both Herlings and Vlaanderen were obviously better as him in the final 3 GP's of the season. The heavy crash on Saturday at Turkey and the long season took it's toll on Coldenhoff. Herlings should've been picked over him, not over Vlaanderen. It doesn't matter who was the fastest or who was higher in the standings two months prior to the MXoN. It matters who's in the best shape at the time of the race. "The best men should go" was often said by Marc de Reuver when he was still racing. Well, he's right about that. And Coldenhoff wasn't one of the best at that time of the season.

On the other hand, it's not an easy task for a team manager to leave the guy who ended up 3rd in the worldchampionship at home either.

USA literally hold off last minute every year to pick there team to see who’s going to be at their best come mxon. It’s about sending the best 3 riders available, so herlings should have been put on that team. 

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Not sending Herlings after he dominated the last 3 gps is a huge own goal for the team manager assuming Herlings was available. 

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Age is irrelevant, don’t turn pro if you’re not ready for it to be analyzed. I actually started watching GPs in 2010, he was not in...

Age is irrelevant, don’t turn pro if you’re not ready for it to be analyzed. I actually started watching GPs in 2010, he was not in that title fight marv won it easy. He didn’t start winning by those huge margins until the sandbagging years after 2012. Which we won’t see from Deegan cuz he’s done with the kid class. Deegan went 1-1 in his rookie year against some impressive guys as well. Then not only did he win year 2 he dominated. It’s literally not even close between their 250 careers. Herlings fans hate facts, “did you see how fast he went?!?!?!” Yeh I did and we keep score for a reason guys. Or else Sasha Coenen would already be the goat

I could’ve swore the plan is for Deegs to race the regional 250 class for a fourth year, glad to know he’s going to be lining up at A1 in the 450 class and not sandbag like Herlings

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I always saw Herlings as being a lot like JS7. Maybe not as transformational, but certainly the Crash Or Win (COW) part. Both insanely fast, both expected to win more premier class championships, both capable of winning any time they line up.

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10/10/2025 11:47pm
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I could’ve swore the plan is for Deegs to race the regional 250 class for a fourth year, glad to know he’s going to be lining...

I could’ve swore the plan is for Deegs to race the regional 250 class for a fourth year, glad to know he’s going to be lining up at A1 in the 450 class and not sandbag like Herlings

For 2026, Deegan will ride 450cc category Outdoors only. Not in supercross.

10/12/2025 5:32am
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Herlings could take on anyone in the ama and gp, The Lawrence brothers maybe depends on the track but in his prime without a doubt. He...

Herlings could take on anyone in the ama and gp, The Lawrence brothers maybe depends on the track but in his prime without a doubt. He could fight for the win. Forget the titles and everything but Jeffrey raw speed in best days was probably faster then jet is now.. imagine that 

I thought so for a while too. I have big doubts now.

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While Steve Matthew may be OK with riders opting out of MXdN for personal reasons, most are not it appears. Regardless of whether the real reason was Herlings wanted to prep on Honda or anything else, it is a bad look for the team to select Calvin and then bump him. If they were really contemplating Herlings, then select him and if injuries recur, Calvin is the backup. If there is a hidden reason or not Herlings wasn’t selected, the team manager should stand behind the team selection. Clearly and unequivocally. 

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10/12/2025 6:47am Edited Date/Time 10/12/2025 6:48am
KurtJ99 wrote:
While Steve Matthew may be OK with riders opting out of MXdN for personal reasons, most are not it appears. Regardless of whether the real reason...

While Steve Matthew may be OK with riders opting out of MXdN for personal reasons, most are not it appears. Regardless of whether the real reason was Herlings wanted to prep on Honda or anything else, it is a bad look for the team to select Calvin and then bump him. If they were really contemplating Herlings, then select him and if injuries recur, Calvin is the backup. If there is a hidden reason or not Herlings wasn’t selected, the team manager should stand behind the team selection. Clearly and unequivocally. 

It was Jeffrey’s decision to not be selected and the teammanager took the heat for him. If Jeffrey wasn’t able to compete due to injury / missing another race that would have had financial implications for him. In other words when Jeffrey missed a certain amount of races he would receive a pay-cut on his KTM contract. 

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KurtJ99 wrote:
While Steve Matthew may be OK with riders opting out of MXdN for personal reasons, most are not it appears. Regardless of whether the real reason...

While Steve Matthew may be OK with riders opting out of MXdN for personal reasons, most are not it appears. Regardless of whether the real reason was Herlings wanted to prep on Honda or anything else, it is a bad look for the team to select Calvin and then bump him. If they were really contemplating Herlings, then select him and if injuries recur, Calvin is the backup. If there is a hidden reason or not Herlings wasn’t selected, the team manager should stand behind the team selection. Clearly and unequivocally. 

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It was Jeffrey’s decision to not be selected and the teammanager took the heat for him. If Jeffrey wasn’t able to compete due to injury /...

It was Jeffrey’s decision to not be selected and the teammanager took the heat for him. If Jeffrey wasn’t able to compete due to injury / missing another race that would have had financial implications for him. In other words when Jeffrey missed a certain amount of races he would receive a pay-cut on his KTM contract. 

Where’s the logic behind that? Season is already over when MXdN is on. 

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10/12/2025 10:08am
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While Steve Matthew may be OK with riders opting out of MXdN for personal reasons, most are not it appears. Regardless of whether the real reason...

While Steve Matthew may be OK with riders opting out of MXdN for personal reasons, most are not it appears. Regardless of whether the real reason was Herlings wanted to prep on Honda or anything else, it is a bad look for the team to select Calvin and then bump him. If they were really contemplating Herlings, then select him and if injuries recur, Calvin is the backup. If there is a hidden reason or not Herlings wasn’t selected, the team manager should stand behind the team selection. Clearly and unequivocally. 

Not racing so he could get more honda prep?? The race was last week & he was racing a national championship race today on his KTM. That theory is from outer space!

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Does Herlings potentially have insurance picked out? If he raced more world stage races, he wouldn't collect for some reason? National races not counting.

Makes no sense. Herlings is 100%, bikes available, KTM all in on it, fastest in the team. Makes a deal not to be picked?

Sounds like Herlings has asked a big favour from Dutch team manager and they are doing all they can to cover it up. Bit of tin foil but 🤷

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10/13/2025 8:43am
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Does Herlings potentially have insurance picked out? If he raced more world stage races, he wouldn't collect for some reason? National races not counting.Makes no sense...

Does Herlings potentially have insurance picked out? If he raced more world stage races, he wouldn't collect for some reason? National races not counting.

Makes no sense. Herlings is 100%, bikes available, KTM all in on it, fastest in the team. Makes a deal not to be picked?

Sounds like Herlings has asked a big favour from Dutch team manager and they are doing all they can to cover it up. Bit of tin foil but 🤷

I put the only truth out there and get downvoted. Maybe @LewisPhillips can be a journalist for once? Or is being friends with the top dogs more important?

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Does Herlings potentially have insurance picked out? If he raced more world stage races, he wouldn't collect for some reason? National races not counting.Makes no sense...

Does Herlings potentially have insurance picked out? If he raced more world stage races, he wouldn't collect for some reason? National races not counting.

Makes no sense. Herlings is 100%, bikes available, KTM all in on it, fastest in the team. Makes a deal not to be picked?

Sounds like Herlings has asked a big favour from Dutch team manager and they are doing all they can to cover it up. Bit of tin foil but 🤷

Rocketship wrote:
I put the only truth out there and get downvoted. Maybe @LewisPhillips can be a journalist for once? Or is being friends with the top dogs...

I put the only truth out there and get downvoted. Maybe @LewisPhillips can be a journalist for once? Or is being friends with the top dogs more important?

Its just your post makes no sense.

Herlings wasn't picked for mxon because if he was picked he would risk having to turn down another race that he Could have raced, and that would lead to cut payout? Because he reached a certain percentage of races he had to give up on? So not picked = couldn't drop out.

But he was racing already 2nd August and team was announced 15 aug. So your post makes no sense.

10/13/2025 10:20am

Unless... Herlings didn't want to race (whatever reason is irrelevant), and asked the federation to not blow him out?

10/13/2025 10:33am
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Does Herlings potentially have insurance picked out? If he raced more world stage races, he wouldn't collect for some reason? National races not counting.Makes no sense...

Does Herlings potentially have insurance picked out? If he raced more world stage races, he wouldn't collect for some reason? National races not counting.

Makes no sense. Herlings is 100%, bikes available, KTM all in on it, fastest in the team. Makes a deal not to be picked?

Sounds like Herlings has asked a big favour from Dutch team manager and they are doing all they can to cover it up. Bit of tin foil but 🤷

Rocketship wrote:
I put the only truth out there and get downvoted. Maybe @LewisPhillips can be a journalist for once? Or is being friends with the top dogs...

I put the only truth out there and get downvoted. Maybe @LewisPhillips can be a journalist for once? Or is being friends with the top dogs more important?

Oh, yeah, I hadn't thought of that! I should ask the question.

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