MXoN - Sunday: Races

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10/5/2025 6:24pm

Chase in MXGP 2-2. Eli in Open 2-3. Then Deegan just needs 9th.

JerryVan wrote:

It's simple don't you see? Webster not crashing goes 2-2, unlucky champ.

If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.

Forgive my ignorance but does Webster only race in Australia? He doesn't race the GP's right? And if not, why doesn't he have a GP ride...

Forgive my ignorance but does Webster only race in Australia? He doesn't race the GP's right? And if not, why doesn't he have a GP ride? I thought he was going to be this major weak link to his team and once I saw how good he was I knew we were in trouble. Super impressed with him

Very good question.  He is a beast on a 450 too.  It's mind blowing that he hasn't been given any opportunities for a a full-time ride overseas.

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10/5/2025 6:27pm
CPR wrote:
Belgium are going to be a force to be reckoned with for some time to come. They experienced some typical MXdN bad luck but will be...

Belgium are going to be a force to be reckoned with for some time to come. They experienced some typical MXdN bad luck but will be the better for it. There was hardly any Everts talk, he was quietly very good.

There was considerable Everts talk at the track.  Speaking of the track, it's smaller than Redbud.  Reminded me of a glorified Loretta Lynn's.

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JerryVan wrote:

It's simple don't you see? Webster not crashing goes 2-2, unlucky champ.

If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.

Forgive my ignorance but does Webster only race in Australia? He doesn't race the GP's right? And if not, why doesn't he have a GP ride...

Forgive my ignorance but does Webster only race in Australia? He doesn't race the GP's right? And if not, why doesn't he have a GP ride? I thought he was going to be this major weak link to his team and once I saw how good he was I knew we were in trouble. Super impressed with him

SydAus wrote:
Very good question.  He is a beast on a 450 too.  It's mind blowing that he hasn't been given any opportunities for a a full-time ride...

Very good question.  He is a beast on a 450 too.  It's mind blowing that he hasn't been given any opportunities for a a full-time ride overseas.

He did get a fill-in opportunity in MXGP a few years back but I think he got injured straight away, otherwise his career may have turned out differently.

I don’t think too many realise he was actually born in South Africa, which will make @Boomslang happy, but moved to Oz as a kid. Living in Western Australia is very remote and I don’t think he got much racing exposure until he moved to the east coast.

Webster is too old for GP MX2 (29) and he makes a decent living racing Aussie MX. With a baby about to be born any day, he’s probably pretty settled. I’d love to see him get a decent run at a 450 Outdoors season, however being a motocross guy rather than supercross restricts his opportunities in the US.

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10/5/2025 6:52pm
CPR wrote:
He did get a fill-in opportunity in MXGP a few years back but I think he got injured straight away, otherwise his career may have turned...

He did get a fill-in opportunity in MXGP a few years back but I think he got injured straight away, otherwise his career may have turned out differently.

I don’t think too many realise he was actually born in South Africa, which will make @Boomslang happy, but moved to Oz as a kid. Living in Western Australia is very remote and I don’t think he got much racing exposure until he moved to the east coast.

Webster is too old for GP MX2 (29) and he makes a decent living racing Aussie MX. With a baby about to be born any day, he’s probably pretty settled. I’d love to see him get a decent run at a 450 Outdoors season, however being a motocross guy rather than supercross restricts his opportunities in the US.

He really saved the day with a heartfelt ride from way back. I know he was super humble towards the Lawrences in the podium interview, but I bet they are equally stoked on him tbh. What a great team and ride! 
 

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10/5/2025 7:32pm

Chase in MXGP 2-2. Eli in Open 2-3. Then Deegan just needs 9th.

jemcee wrote:

Oh well there ya go simple as that

Didn’t say it was simple. It’s just bench racing, relax. It’s a fair possibility Chase could have done the same as Eli or better in the MXGP class and Eli could have done the same or better in Open. None of it really matters as the race is over. 
 

On another note, did America have the oldest team? Not bad for a group of guys that used to be considered past their prime. It’s awesome the guys are racing longer these days on both sides of the pond.
 

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10/5/2025 8:07pm

What time does Deegan race?

Dude , I just spit my beer out. That's some funny shit right there.

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10/5/2025 8:19pm

Chase in MXGP 2-2. Eli in Open 2-3. Then Deegan just needs 9th.

jemcee wrote:

Oh well there ya go simple as that

Didn’t say it was simple. It’s just bench racing, relax. It’s a fair possibility Chase could have done the same as Eli or better in the...

Didn’t say it was simple. It’s just bench racing, relax. It’s a fair possibility Chase could have done the same as Eli or better in the MXGP class and Eli could have done the same or better in Open. None of it really matters as the race is over. 
 

On another note, did America have the oldest team? Not bad for a group of guys that used to be considered past their prime. It’s awesome the guys are racing longer these days on both sides of the pond.
 

Cairoli being 40 certainly contributes to Italies average age.

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10/5/2025 8:26pm
jemcee wrote:

Oh well there ya go simple as that

Didn’t say it was simple. It’s just bench racing, relax. It’s a fair possibility Chase could have done the same as Eli or better in the...

Didn’t say it was simple. It’s just bench racing, relax. It’s a fair possibility Chase could have done the same as Eli or better in the MXGP class and Eli could have done the same or better in Open. None of it really matters as the race is over. 
 

On another note, did America have the oldest team? Not bad for a group of guys that used to be considered past their prime. It’s awesome the guys are racing longer these days on both sides of the pond.
 

mxaniac wrote:

Cairoli being 40 certainly contributes to Italies average age.

I thought about that. Adamo and Bornacorsi are early 20’s. Eli almost 33, RJ almost 30 and Jcoop is 28. Cairoli had a good second moto, dude is impressive.

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10/5/2025 8:32pm

Took himself out like Deegan. Will Vital implode? lol I kid I kid.

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10/5/2025 8:34pm

Chase in MXGP 2-2. Eli in Open 2-3. Then Deegan just needs 9th.

jemcee wrote:

Oh well there ya go simple as that

Didn’t say it was simple. It’s just bench racing, relax. It’s a fair possibility Chase could have done the same as Eli or better in the...

Didn’t say it was simple. It’s just bench racing, relax. It’s a fair possibility Chase could have done the same as Eli or better in the MXGP class and Eli could have done the same or better in Open. None of it really matters as the race is over. 
 

On another note, did America have the oldest team? Not bad for a group of guys that used to be considered past their prime. It’s awesome the guys are racing longer these days on both sides of the pond.
 

Relax? haha Yeah I was really upset.. Fair possibility sure but also could've crashed..

 

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10/5/2025 9:18pm

All the Dangerous dorks being sour is so on brand... Deegan copium is at an all-time high in here with some of you. Fact is, at MXoN 2025, Haiden Deegan doesn't exist. Period. Lot's of speculation, shoulda coulda woulda... If my aunt had a dick she'd be my uncle.

As an American, I am proud of our boys that actually had the balls/brains to be available and show up. We got 2nd place. Pretty badass with a backup team if you ask me. Tomac killed it. They should be proud. 

Huge props to the Aussies for kicking everyone's asses once again. Respect to Webster for basically carrying the load of stress for that team. Had to be a difficult position to be in to be the one that could lose it all in the blink of an eye.

Mad respect to all the fastest motocross racers on the planet that put their names out there for their countries.

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10/5/2025 9:52pm

J-Coop got second in MX2….on a 250 he hasn’t ridden since? up until the last 2 weeks. AND he had the worst of the 2 gate picks both motos….on a 250.  That is pretty kick ass!  …and DeWolf is fast as hell on a bike he has raced, and won an MX2 championship, for years.  Great job Justin!!!   
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.btw…DeWolf is fast as hell and I by NO means assume deegan would have him covered.  I do know DeWolf showed up for the fight, so if anyone gets to claim anything….it’s not deegan.

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10/5/2025 9:55pm

Individual class results 

MXGP 

1/3 = Jett Lawrence 
4/2 = Eli Tomac 
3/4 = Tim Gajser 
5/5 = Romain Febvre 
2/10 = Lucas Coenen 
7/8 = Isak Gifting 
11/16 = Jeremy Seewer 
18/12 = Ken Roczen 
14/19 = Enzo Lopes
25/13 = Antonio Cairoli 

MX2 

8/8 = Kay De Wolf 
10/10 = Justin Cooper 
9/14 = Mathis Valin
12/12 = Andrea Adamo 
15/13 = Kyle Webster 
13/18 = Camden Mc Lellan 
17/15 = Mikkel Haarup 
16/16 = Guillem Farres 
20/21 = Sacha Coenen
27/17 = Janis Reisulis 

OPEN 

1/1 = Hunter Lawrence 
2/6 = Jo Shimoda 
4/7 = Liam Everts 
5/9 = Maxime Renaux 
3/14 = Jan Pancar 
6/15 = Andrea Bonacorsi 
11/17 = Pauls Jonass
19/20 = Harri Kullas
7/33 = RJ Hampshire 
23/18 = Conrad Mewse 

Team overall 

19 = Australia
33 = USA
33 = France 
43 = Belgium
57 = Slovenia
58 = Italy
84 = Sweden
86 = Switzerland 
88 = Latvia
89 = Spain

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10/5/2025 10:03pm

MXGP+MX2 fastest laps 

2.01.358 = Jett Lawrence 
2.01.891 = Lucas Coenen 
2.02.690 = Tim Gajser 
2.02.754 = Eli Tomac 
2.02.899 = Romain Febvre 
2.03.989 = Kay De Wolf 
2.04.582 = Ruben Fernandez 
2.04.822 = Mathis Valin 
2.05.174 = Isak Gifting 
2.05.669 = Andrea Adamo 

MX2+OPEN fastest laps 

2.03.145 = Hunter Lawrence 
2.04.047 = RJ Hampshire 
2.04.435 = Jo Shimoda 
2.04.479 = Jan Pancar 
2.04.688 = Liam Everts 
2.04.994 = Valentin Guillod 
2.05.143 = Kay De Wolf 
2.05.500 = Maxime Renaux 
2.05.721 = Andrea Bonacorsi 
2.05.725 = Calvin Vlaanderen 

MXGP+OPEN 

2.03.229 = Hunter Lawrence 
2.04.038 = Jett Lawrence 
2.04.672 = Eli Tomac 
2.04.979 = Lucas Coenen 
2.05.067 = Tim Gajser 
2.05.455 = Jo Shimoda 
2.05.562 = Liam Everts 
2.05.751 = Valentin Guillod 
2.05.809 = Romain Febvre 
2.05.990 = Maxime Renaux

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10/5/2025 10:17pm

Top 20 best individual performances by points scored 

*in case of a tie in points, I have put the MX2 rider over the 450 for obvious reasons, and the OPEN over the MXGP because they are racing two straight motos without a break 

2 = Hunter Lawrence 🇦🇺
4 = Jett Lawrence 🇦🇺
6 = Eli Tomac 🇺🇸
7 = Tim Gajser 🇸🇮
8 = Jo Shimoda 🇯🇵
10 = Romain Febvre 🇫🇷
11 = Liam Everts 🇧🇪
12 = Lucas Coenen 🇧🇪
14 = Maxime Renaux 🇫🇷
15 = Isak Gifting 🇸🇪
16 = Kay De Wolf 🇳🇱 (250)
17 = Jan Pancar 🇸🇮
20 = Justin Cooper 🇺🇸 (250)
21 = Andrea Bonacorsi 🇮🇹
23 = Mathis Valin 🇫🇷 (250)
24 = Andrea Adamo 🇮🇹 (250)
27 = Jeremy Seewer 🇨🇭
28 = Kyle Webster 🇦🇺 (250)
28 = Pauls Jonass 🇱🇻
30 = Ken Roczen 🇩🇪

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10/5/2025 10:39pm

I looked at results in the vital homepage and assumed we had won. 🤦🏼

10/5/2025 11:34pm

I love how much of this thread is people claiming that RJ is the reason Team USA lost, only for someone to show that mathematically speaking, there was never a chance they were going to beat Team Australia.

 

During the race I was frustrated with RJ, but I actually just admire how he doesn't quit. MXoN is a one day event, so you can't settle for a low position and come back swinging the following weekend. RJ knew how hard it would be to beat Team Australia and he didn't show up to settle for second. The dude rode his absolute heart out, left absolutely nothing on the table, and he should be commended for it. 

 

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10/5/2025 11:59pm Edited Date/Time 10/6/2025 12:01am

I liked how none of the riders really had (at least not in a blatantly obvious way) had an 'off' performance in terms of speed/energy, where they're just sort of riding around mid pack, not really in it.

All the guys, however uncomfortable or struggling with this or that, showed up. And that's true for RJ too. The guy had great speed and tremendous effort.

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10/6/2025 12:27am
themx11 wrote:
If Hampshire had just rode a smart race it would be fine… dude was riding like an idiot. And of course viral comes back with “RJ...

If Hampshire had just rode a smart race it would be fine… dude was riding like an idiot. And of course viral comes back with “RJ tried his heart out!!! Be nice to him!!!!” 

He crashed 6 times in two motos. 

Only idiot Ive seen lately is Deegan. 

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10/6/2025 12:32am

Lawrences aside, the standout rides for me were Webster - last to 15th TWICE, on a 250?! (and in back-to-back races too) - he is every bit a deserving MXdN winner. Also Pancar, a true privateer with a standout performance.

Honourable mentions to Jo, Everts, de Wolf, Coenens - and Febvre who battled hard in that last race to get France on the box. The big hitters Tomac, Gajser and Cairoli (with a broken hand) also showed why they are revered.

On this track, Sexton would have knifed the front a dozen times. Per lap.

 

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10/6/2025 12:51am

It’s fascinating reading though the thread here and to see Deegans fan club debating how good he “would” have been!The guy missed the mxdn 3 years in a row,on the international scene,he is a nobody!!!!!

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10/6/2025 12:54am
This puts HRC in a real quandary- do they need/would they run THREE 450 guys?? I know Jo can stay 250 for now, and surely going in...

This puts HRC in a real quandary- do they need/would they run THREE 450 guys?? 

I know Jo can stay 250 for now, and surely going in to ‘26 he’ll be the favourite indoors and out, but what after that??

yardsailor wrote:

Joe will be a grandpa by the time a seat opens up at honda. 

They said they would run 3 450s. I guess we will see.

3 BIG hitters on 3 BIG salaries. 
I believe it when I see it. 

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10/6/2025 1:21am Edited Date/Time 10/6/2025 1:23am
yardsailor wrote:

Joe will be a grandpa by the time a seat opens up at honda. 

They said they would run 3 450s. I guess we will see.

3 BIG hitters on 3 BIG salaries. 
I believe it when I see it. 

I think it was JT on one of the PulpMX podcasts who said, "Jo is the best Japanese motocross rider ever", and that it will matter to Honda.

If you've ever watched one of the This Is Lawrence videos you know that the vibes are off the chart inside the Honda rig. The Lawrence boys seem to really be there for Wasabi Jo and I hope there's a ride for him if that's where he'd like to stay. His 450 debut left very little to complain about.

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10/6/2025 1:30am
ksithumper wrote:
Lawrences aside, the standout rides for me were Webster - last to 15th TWICE, on a 250?! (and in back-to-back races too) - he is every...

Lawrences aside, the standout rides for me were Webster - last to 15th TWICE, on a 250?! (and in back-to-back races too) - he is every bit a deserving MXdN winner. Also Pancar, a true privateer with a standout performance.

Honourable mentions to Jo, Everts, de Wolf, Coenens - and Febvre who battled hard in that last race to get France on the box. The big hitters Tomac, Gajser and Cairoli (with a broken hand) also showed why they are revered.

On this track, Sexton would have knifed the front a dozen times. Per lap.

 

Webster is one of the best professionnal motocross racers right now that is not fully AMA/MXGP.

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10/6/2025 1:33am Edited Date/Time 10/6/2025 1:34am
I love how much of this thread is people claiming that RJ is the reason Team USA lost, only for someone to show that mathematically speaking...

I love how much of this thread is people claiming that RJ is the reason Team USA lost, only for someone to show that mathematically speaking, there was never a chance they were going to beat Team Australia.

 

During the race I was frustrated with RJ, but I actually just admire how he doesn't quit. MXoN is a one day event, so you can't settle for a low position and come back swinging the following weekend. RJ knew how hard it would be to beat Team Australia and he didn't show up to settle for second. The dude rode his absolute heart out, left absolutely nothing on the table, and he should be commended for it. 

 

Hey thanks for checking my math 🤓

My concern watching RJ try to catch up for the third time in moto 2, was moto 3. He's fit but that's such a short break between races. He squeezed out all his adrenaline and must have been exhausted for the final race.

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10/6/2025 1:35am

I expected the difference to be bigger on an american circuit between the ama riders and those from europe.....the mxgp riders did very well if you take their home advantage into account

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