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Have not seen the video, and not going to see it. No point. Who needs another gruesome image baked into their brain? Not this guy.
This is the land of the free. And for better or worse, the 1st and 2nd Amendments will forever be on a collision course.
How much more context? Enough so you know what you're talking about.
That’s fair, now can be the part where you back up what you’re saying with all the examples of good he’s done or what he meant in those examples.
Its disgusting. Ill keep my stock hoses. That comment damn near puts him on the level of rich taylor in my book for industry people who wont get my money. Any person celebrating this death needs heavily evaluated and should likely be in a padded room away from society.
Everyone cares about kids getting shot up. Everyone that isnt sick anyway. Everyone should care that a man, father, husband, just got lit up by some mentally ill person because of CONVERSATION as well. If it wasnt a gun, it woulda been a pipe bomb or a car or a knife. If I did that to people I didn't agree with, id own a cemetery. But im a sane law abiding citizen who doesnt desire to kill people for their thoughts. Now, my thoughts on peoples heinus physical actions... If anyone touches my daughter, or a girl on a subway train in front of me, you can read about me and know I'm enjoying my government 3 meals a day happily. Charlies killer should be publicly executed. Same with every school shooter or rapist. More of that will lead to less of this.
Charlie was one of the smartest humans of these times. His knowledge base was very vast. Not just politically either. Moral common sense, which is clearly lost these days. Its a damn shame hes dead and it furthers my disdain for sick humans. These people twisting his words on gun violence are stupid. Add context. He wasnt stupid.
Oh.. wanna stop school shootings? Arm teachers nation wide. Very simple. Good guys with guns stop bad guys with guns. If a good guy doesn't have a gun, the bad guy will still have their gun, just like they can easily obtain their illegal heroin or meth. Gun laws hamper good guys from guns. Youll NEVER stop bad guys from breaking laws they dont care about to get guns.
I tried to remain calm ML. If my post isnt allowed, feel free to delete it, but dont ban me for sharing opinion. Lol. I just want to ride more.
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Typical lefty statement that they still can't avoid making even after it's pointed out....
"I condemn political violence..... but did you hear all the terrible things he's said? What good has he done anyway? But yeah I totally condemn violence and stuff......"
Also.....
"Yeah but Minnesota politician got killed and Trump is mean too.... but yeah I condemn political violence obviously....."
I didn't want to comment on the substance of any of Charlie Kirk's views or arguments but the one about gun deaths being "worth it" to uphold 2nd amendment rights is being given the least charitable interpretation possible by some. First of all, he clearly wasn't fine with gun deaths, given that he used the term "unfortunately".
Let's be as clear as possible about what he was saying. He was saying that if you uphold the 2nd amendment, then people will have guns, If you have guns, then there will be gun deaths. Therefore, if you wish to uphold the 2nd amendment, then you need to accept that there will be some gun deaths.
This is an argument that is being blunt and frank about how there are trade-offs involved in accepting certain things. We make these kinds of trade-offs all the time, and not just with guns. Should be ban motorcycles? Driving a motorcycle on the street is quite dangerous. As long as people will be allowed to do so, there will be deaths. We probably mostly try not to think about the risks we take because being too aware of danger could easily drive us insane. But danger is constantly there, and acceptance of risk is implicit in our behavior. Reasoning that goes something like "I think x is valuable, I know that x carries risks with it, I accept those risks because I believe the value of x is greater than the safety of not x" is so commonplace that we usually don't notice it. When there's a mass shooting, the debate generally becomes one where people are disagreeing about how to weigh gun-related rights against the costs incurred by gun-related rights. The idea that somehow Charlie's death is some kind of karma, or isn't so bad because he weighed the costs and benefits in a way that you don't agree with on this issue is, frankly, disgusting. I've seen some awful posts to that effect on social media and it sickens me. Reasonable people can disagree about these things and we should be able to do so without hating each other, and certainly without killing each other.
This is likely a complete waste of time, but I'll try and help you out on the 2nd amendment subject.
His stance was that any freedom comes with risks. If gun ownership is allowed, there will be people who use guns illegally or dangerously. If alcohol is allowed, there will be a certain amount of alcoholism. If people are allowed to own automobiles, some people will speed or drive recklessly. Some small percentage of people will abuse freedoms, that doesn't mean that those freedoms should be taken from the vast majority of law-abiding citizens.
Shit-jinx, MPJC!
Pro-transgender ideology has been found engraved in the ammunition as well. This must be said, and repeated, as the thread grows.
The left didn't need a counterpart to Kirk at least on college campi. They had the entire teaching staff as well as the administration.
You are missing the point entirely. Have a good day.
It’s the same thing the right does with all there FAFO meme’s.
Typical righty comment…”you don’t praise one of our right-ring heroes who made a living shitting on people who aren’t like him, we now hate you too.”
You’re both being played as fools against each other. Keep being sheep while you think you’re holier than thou. It’s unbelievable.
What's worse, I just realized, is I said "driving a motorcycle".
You’re not wrong. It’s why I didn’t come in here for months, oops.
This may or may not be true, by all accounts Crowder was the source of it.
I'm mocking whataboutism and you went with more whataboutism......
I hope your hose sales go exactly as well as deserved.
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I saw WSJ reporting it but don't have a sub to click into the story. I'll delete my post if it turns out not to be true.
I am a little lost with those saying it was a missed shot, hitting the jugular is as kill shot as it gets. The tent angle didn't allow a complete "head shot". This is just awful all the way around for his wife and children
He was shot as a political statement in front of his wife, kids, and 3000 people, and now the whole world has watched him bleed out and die. You can try to downplay it all you want but the implications of this will prove that this is not just another shooting.
Well said
Broom is coming out.
Nothing gained nothing lost...
( very informative in the end here though )
An apt and sensible statement from Bernie Sanders. Whatever your political beliefs, I don’t see how you can dislike Sanders.
I have seen clips and listened to podcasts with him in them. I think mostly around the last election and when votes were being tallied. I don’t have socials and don’t “follow” anyone, so it’s not like his work was particularly important or impactful in my daily routine, but damn this hit me hard yesterday and today. This type of thing is so terrible.
Anyone who hasn't, should do themselves a favor and listen to his show. He was so much more than someone that just went and did college debates.
I can get behind that.
Its nice that he said "murder" of Charlie.
There have been other organizations who have said "the passing", or the "incident", language meant to diminish the reality and severity of what happened.
I am not sure why someone downvoted you, but it is pretty typical for some people around here.
https://youtu.be/q8SbeHhNR9k?si=h2aNdtVi48EXh570
Apparently there is a press conference scheduled in 45 minutes from now to give update, 6:30 pacific time
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