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He donated to the Democratic Party. Never to the others. Do the math.
Reagan shut down the mental institutions so theres nowhere for these people to be held anymore. Theyre just out on the streets. When they commit crimes they can only be held as long as their sentence is for and then theyre released again. In the past they would go to mental institutions and could not leave until they could show they were not a threat to society.
The mental health care these days is abysmal and the only care you can get as an adult is voluntary unless youre sectioned and then its only a few days. Someone I knew was in psychosis having a mental break down and since they were an adult there was nothing we could do unless they themself went and checked themself in… but they had no health insurance and didnt want to go anyways so we were shit out of luck.
Incredibly sad on many levels.
Made a 1 time contribution and then unsubscribed and registered as a republican later that year. Sounds like a kid who doesnt know what he believes and changed his mind. The world isnt so black and white and people are not so simple imagine that…
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Wow... RIP to Charlie Kirk. Absolutely fucked.
What's almost as fucked, is watching people in here immediately fall into hate-filled comments about political parties, who should be shot, etc.
Go eat a big one...a man has just been slain in front of thousands, and now the world is watching through the internet and social media platforms. Mourn the man's loss and his family's loss. Wait for a little info before instantly pointing fingers beyond anything other than the vile person who pulled the trigger.
If you pray, pray for this man's family. If you send good vibes, do that. Keep them in your thoughts, something...they need it.
To everyone else in this thread and on this forum, let's try honoring this man by doing what he did best. Having some calm and well-thought-out discussions, not emotionally charged off-the-cuff dribble.
Ohh, and for a few users in particular..
TheGreat, perma banned, geezus you're just a terrible person.
Elsinore, I'm on the fence with how long yours will be, that's just fucked up man.
Toolmaker, R66, AZ35, Titan1, Joey Bridges, SEEMEFIRST, zookrider62!, motomind00132, and TalinH112... you all have a week temporary ban, email me.
Thanks for TheGreats permaban.
His only goal was to get attention by being an asshole.
He contributed NOTHING worthwhile to this message board.
As for the rest of your 1 week bans, I respectively dissagree.
Its sad to me that I came in here to to say rip and that instead of everyone going crazy and calling for retaliation against whatever group you dont like that instead we should take this time to stop and think about what the hell were doing and try to take a step back from the extremes on either side and I get downvoted into oblivion for saying that.
If I’m wrong for not just picking a side and riding or dying with them and trying to have my own opinion and find the nuance in life then I dont wanna be right. When the smoke clears and the country is completely destroyed but your side “won” the argument its going to look pretty stupid.
There is no more reasoning with the "Tolerant" Left, they brought violence and its time it should be matched.
The entire democrat party needs to be considered terrorist and removed power anywhere in this country.
VOTE RED OR WE'LL ALL BE DEAD!!!
Each one-week ban was for members who instantly wanted to turn this topic into a political issue. Not all are mean-spirited, but their first reactions were to point fingers or call for action without any real justification for what has happened yet.
I'm just tired of things devolving to that level so quickly. Again, let's mourn the man, not shit on political parties and blame politics for everything without first recognizing who was lost today and what that person's family and friends are facing now.
You've been added to the temp ban list as well. Read my post before being added to this list.
Yes, locking some people up is not necessarily punitive - it’s a matter of prioritizing public safety. You can even believe that mental illness can mitigate moral culpability (which it almost certainly does in some instances) and still want dangerous people locked up, mental illness or not. I won’t go on about this as I don’t want to go off topic any more than I have.
well said ML,
👍
I think that was the most pissed I’ve ever been in here.
RIP & Prayers to the family
Charlie Kirk was an American Patriot. Murdered on a U.S. college campus. Was he murdered for his conservative views, or his Christian values, or both?
I pray the Lord Jesus Christ raises up 1,000,000 more Charlie Kirk’s.
Prayers for his wife and young children. They will now grow up without their Dad.
Very sad day.
This really tears the heart out. When the shooter is found, he or she should be locked up in stock and barrels downtown giving every citizen the opportunity for justice.
Thoughts and prayers.
Exactly why I hate politics.
Pit Row
The fact that some of you are still picking a side instead of saying we should get together and work this out tells me we're not ready to fix it yet. Saying liberals are crazy and will kill you, while crazy conservatives drive cars into crowds protesting is so ironic. Both sides are fucking stupid and fighting for people who give zero fucks about you as long as you keep the gravy train going for them...
My heart goes out to the Kirk family, his close friends, and those who were close to him. Political violence is a very evil act, and I hope that the perpetrator is apprehended and prosecuted to the fullest extent.
RIP young man. Praying for his wife and kids.
I agree that the rhetoric exists on both sides, but only one side has the ability to change it. The left has control of media, arts, universities, business, etc and has much more ability to set the tone for culture at large. The right just doesn't have anything close to that much reach. In many ways it's irrelevant what the right does. The left can think Trump is reprehensible but it doesn't have much overall cultural impact unless they stoop to his level. Instead of setting themselves apart, they've used his flaws to justify anything and everything they want to do and say. If they had solid leadership that just held liberal views but still had a sense of duty and love of country to lead them through the Trump era they could really distinguish themselves as being something better and more noble than MAGA regardless of policy differences. That's not the path they've chosen.
Until someone on the left leads that cause it's just going to keep getting worse. Nothing the right might do no matter how well intentioned is going to matter because they don't have the institutional capture that the left does.
So regardless of which side you're on, pray for someone on the left to rise up and lead their side past this toxic time. Not getting better until that happens.
I don't disagree that a mental health problem is to blame for this, but you don't have a good grasp on what happened with mental health institutions in this country. There was a massive movement towards deinstitutionalization starting in the mid 50's due to the decrepit condition of mental hospitals and the newly availability of psychotropic drugs. From the mid 50's until the mid 70's, mental care institutions saw a >60% drop in population.
Anyone old enough to read the book or see the movie "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" should be familiar with the prevailing attitude towards mental health institutions at that time. Reagan didn't "shut down the mental health institutions," he (and a bipartisan congess) gave the power to regulate mental health hospitals to the states.
The mental health institutionalization issue is pretty complex but needs to be fixed. I deal with it every day at work. See the same mentally ill people all the time. Create a disturbance, police called, brought to ER, don't quite meet criteria for hold, and back to the street they go. Even if they did commit a crime the police are not going to arrest them and go that route.
When they are placed on a hold they get medicated and "stabilized" within days and are again right back out on the street.
The legal system totally washes their hands of these people until they do something horrendous and the medical system has no ability to compel long term medication compliance or hospitalization without strong legal backing, and again that isn't happening until something horrible happens.
Well meaning families can exhaust every option to try to force their loved one into care but as long as the person can put a sentence together and knows the month and year the psychiatric world refuses to declare them unable to make decisions for themselves. They'll point out that while the person might make choices you disagree with that it's their right to do so. They'll point out that the vast majority of these people never hurt anyone and our ability to predict who will is not great.
The libertarian in me wants to believe that people are free to make poor decisions, but I've seen enough of this to realize that these people aren't free, they're held captive by their mental illness. They need to be cared for just like children. The standard for decision making capacity needs to change, but this also terrifies me when I think about how easy it would be for a government to abuse this power. I ultimately think it should be much easier for family or people with a vested interest in a person to convince a court they should be allowed to make decisions for a person. If my kid ends up being crazy it would be nice to know I could get a judge to back me on forcing them to get care. Right now that isn't reality and too many families, mine included, know this all too well.
Side note, I understand some of the arguments for legalization of drugs, but if you claim to care about mental health issues, just know that drugs, marijuana included, throw gas on the fire and make it so much worse. Don't do drugs. Drugs are bad, mmmkay.
President Trump is calling political rhetoric directly responsible for this. Sounds like they'll also be investigating media and protest-funders who have been encouraging this domestic terrorism.
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/115182892535295750
If everyone spent as much time worrying about themselves and thier lives as they do another people we would be much better off.
Not going to help. You can model civility, but you can't compel it by force......
I know this sounds bad but my 1st thought was who?
I have a lot to say about this but this is not the place or the time. All I want to say this is a sad sad end of a story for a young man and his family.
At least they have the person in custody.
Did they capture another one? They released the one they had earlier.
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