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Sr_Vet_Rider 8/21/2025 9:28pm
8/21/2025 9:28pm
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I am betting alot of this is about the stink that is being made about the super mini's and adult women no longer being included it...

I am betting alot of this is about the stink that is being made about the super mini's and adult women no longer being included it that class. I was very vocal at the meeting about this and well the vote fell short to stop it at this point.  THE ABSOLUTE failure of the committee to understand the impact of this new rule was amazing................til i remembered who and why.

That said.  The amateur racing now moving up to 14 NO womens class will have a 12 yr old in it once it's in place.  SO remove that little tid bit. "at the end of the day"  if nothing changes we are elimanating 50% of the womens class in AMA D17.  We have very mature women who have raced here for over 25 years all on super mini's.  why?  they are short!  small! all of the above.  We talk about being inclusive and talk about the things to make our sport 'safer".  But sometimes it's cool, and sometimes the whole process stinks.  

BOTH my Daughter in Laws ride super minis, Kawasaki 112's.  WHy ?  5-3 and 5-2 and pretty much beginners or for sure new to the sport, how many friends of theirs race? a ton.  But since they are 23, and 26 years old, if this stands they can't race moto period.  We would never throw a young man under the bus like that, we bend over backwards to make damn sure there are stepping stones for those riders to advance and move through the process as it should be by the way.

  But women?  really in 2025 we are going this direction? ALL this talk about safety and oh my what could happen.

We know what will happen 50% of the women will simply stop racing OR WORSE jump on a 250F they can't control and really get hurt we all have seen them.  Women's class is special and they don't hang around some times as long as the guys, they have families, and there isn't a real pro career type program that many can get too, so they race locally, with their children, and basically are the reason there are so many girls racing is because mom did too.  

So in typical fashion with the 5,000 classes we have already we need to make a 85cc-150cc class for women, So instead of 12 riders on the line we will have 4 big bike and 8 small bike and what will happen you guessed it they will be staggered start and ran together.................. Now this rule came directly from the boys that start naming the fast girl names, and quite frankly I have never see anyone that was named, but listened to how bad of a problem it is.......................... Majority of the racing isn't done at those races AND they can have supplemental rules for this, but the idea to take ALL local racing which to my knowledge has very little issues with this and be dictated to stop, is really a hard pill to swallow.

By the way for many who won't know we do a bunch of racing events all ama, I am on this committee, and been on it i guess a long time, we at most all our events we run 11 sx races and womens' class runs by it's self, and practices by it's self.  Been doing that for 33 years.  why?  because of the inconsistancy of the class and the women watch out for each other.  

Want to make this sport safer.

Lets NEVER speak the words in the same sentence  450.............C class. ever. they did away with 500's now we have fire breathing 450's if you are in C then experience is an issue, stay on a smaller bike.

Lets get our equipment (water trucks, tractors, gators, etc) behind the fence and away from the race track. Personally have hit stuff like that and well it was ugly.

Lets get some guidelines on procedures and process's that help tracks be aware of the items above. We are so worried about litigation and it's a real issue, but lets get back to some of the things that used to work well.  ALL this online crap never replaces a 2 hour meeting with an individual who can in person answer questions that the tracks and clubs would have.  Did it for years no longer. 

While there was talk in this post about national C class stuff, why?  C class is basically a beginner type class which has been decimated by the 

continued laying back for the big prize in august.  Elimate C class national championships, let riders aspire to go to B.  And in that class no "perks" let all the perks and such be in A where it belongs. Why would this never work.  Simple entries and fees is why. But earning or making it even more of a challenge would sure help the advancement process. Just doesn't feather the nest well enough so that won't happen.

i could type this kind of thing for a very long read.  Wouldn't have seen this post, but a friend of mine txt it to me, and yes his daughters BOTH were on Super mini's and the one has a family doesn't ride but the other, well she is pretty upset, she had tried riding a big bike and her stature is not a good fit and got painfull..

That ONLY thing that I had a hand in on this rule was to push it back to 2027, otherwise in a few months many females around here would be sitting out our winter series.girls night out

PS.  We were one of the first around here to offer "advanced" and Intermeadiate class for women, which run together but only because there isn't a second class.  Works fine and has increased our numbers in that class.

ps2.  If you seen any of this it was my 26 year old daughter in law who is pretty riled about this.  (451 Photography) as i know many are who have yelled at me lol 

Ok so the photos did load.  cool.  Top photo is our winter time "girls night out" where it's a saturday night and the only riders allowed that night are women/girls etc.  We take pride in promoting all ability women riders.  The lower photo is moto @ the park a weekend race which many of the women in the top photo come out to race.  Note the size of the machines on the line.  

GW AMA District 17 Moto/Sx director and AMA Moto Commissioner, Off road and Sporting committees.

 

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crusher773 8/21/2025 9:52pm
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Why is there not a single actual amateur vet class at LL?  Every single vet class is open to pros of some level.

Maybe it's time to split LL into 2 weeks or maybe 10 days?  Minis and then big bikes.  

 

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kb731 8/21/2025 11:03pm
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I am with a club in the PNW and we hold random races/trail work throughout the year. However things getting harder and harder with insurance costs and public funds decreasing. I have a few questions. 

Why does the AMA not offer charter clubs? These clubs are grassroots organizations and do the most for motorcycle riding and racing. We even have clubs up here with motocross tracks. 

Why does the AMA not offer single event insurance that doesn’t require AMA membership of racers, my club is part of a larger race series so we can’t follow AMA rules and NMA rules at the same time because some conflict. But we struggle greatly with insurance costs. 

What would it take to create a new district? We don’t have an AMA series in the PNW for Moto or off-road. Maybe we can switch things up a little and get some AMA support.

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HonTech23 8/22/2025 6:14am
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How about some referees or rules officials who'll do their job and remove people from classes they aren't supposed to be racing without arguing and having to call you to get it handled? 

Or better yet, how about a system to prevent them from signing up for those classes to begin with?

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SlowOldGuy 8/22/2025 6:31am
8/22/2025 6:31am
Braaaphole wrote:
At Loretta's can you race a C class and a B/C class?It was my understanding that if you qualified for both, you couldn't race the C...

At Loretta's can you race a C class and a B/C class?

It was my understanding that if you qualified for both, you couldn't race the C class. A couple years ago, there were a few kids that qualified for both and were then removed from the roster in the C class. Am I wrong in my understanding of the rule? 

Yes, a B/C class does not advance you to B

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SlowOldGuy 8/22/2025 6:34am
8/22/2025 6:34am
planter wrote:
Please ignore the ignorant comments, you'll get some of that from the peanut gallery. Many of us appreciate the opportunity and have legitimate questions or concerns...

Please ignore the ignorant comments, you'll get some of that from the peanut gallery. Many of us appreciate the opportunity and have legitimate questions or concerns trying to move the sport forward.  

Regarding the proposals, Risk Management is not mentioned as a reasoning, however, it was assumed buy some members.  While the concept is understandable, rarely do you have incidents in Womens racing between the bike sizes.  I'm sure AMA has these statistics.  If those proposal are to become effective, is there a phase in (if so when) and are there going to be any class changes to compensate for the loss of racing oppurtunity, e.g. the re-introduction of girls jr other than promotors classes?

Also, will the same changes be made in other displacement/age classes such as JM, where you can have a 7 y/o on a 65 racing againt a 13 y/0 on an 85?

The AMA has no classes where the bikes are mixed.  Junior Mini is a class created by promoters and approved under supplemental rules.  These approvals probably will not happen in 2026.   We will probably issue guidance to our promoters regarding mixing bike sizes and maximum age spreads. 

SlowOldGuy 8/22/2025 6:35am
8/22/2025 6:35am
Kenny Lingus wrote:
I appreciate the response, but this is what a couple other ama referees have told me. It doesn't really tell me why a pro/ expert/ A...

I appreciate the response, but this is what a couple other ama referees have told me. It doesn't really tell me why a pro/ expert/ A class rider can get paid but a 450B has to take a trophy. Is it an IRS thing or labor laws or state regulations? Maybe I'm just confused on why it's ok for some classes to get paid but others can't, especially if they are legal working age. Thanks this is a really good thing you are doing here by trying to weed out misinformation.

Just the way the AMA rules have been for decades.  I will say there is no appetite by our Commissions and our BOD to change this anytime soon

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SlowOldGuy 8/22/2025 6:40am
8/22/2025 6:40am
whyZ wrote:

Has the AMA ever considered getting more into the preservation of our sport at the local level in regard to track insurance, liability waivers?  

We have our government relations people working daily on things to further the interests of motorcycling.  We have waivers and insurance for AMA events.  Part of the reason our insurance program is competitive is our rulebook.  We do not get involved in insuring non-AMA stuff.  Mostly because if we dont have some control of how they operate (letting kids younger than 16 race a 450 for example) how can we approve them for our insurance program?

SlowOldGuy 8/22/2025 6:43am
8/22/2025 6:43am
CH112 wrote:
Since PW50 racing is hot and heavy currently. Do you plan on creating a class were the E2 (electric 50cc equivalent) can compete on a amateur...

Since PW50 racing is hot and heavy currently. Do you plan on creating a class were the E2 (electric 50cc equivalent) can compete on a amateur national level? Or do you see it joining the PW class? I know you have separated the bigger electric bikes into their own class at a am. national level. 

We currently allow them to compete in the PW50 class under supplemental rules if a track wants to.  Promoters of the AMA Major and Featured events are free to add the class as well as Lorettas if they feel it is viable.

SlowOldGuy 8/22/2025 6:49am
8/22/2025 6:49am
j368 wrote:
We all know a lot of tracks are closing these days due to very high insurance premiums. What is the AMA doing to mitigate and help...

We all know a lot of tracks are closing these days due to very high insurance premiums. What is the AMA doing to mitigate and help these local track owners? It’s well publicized the AMA is helping with street bike owners, but one doesn’t seem to hear much, or very little about helping the MX and off road world. 

Insurance companies are very simple.  They need to take in a little more than they give out.  High insurance premiums are directly related to high claims activity.  We have an excellent insurance program for our events and have added practice day protections as well.

Tracks are closing due to claims.  The AMA is not interested in insuring a facility that allows a little kid on an e-bike to get killed by a teenager.  Lawsuits like this are extremely expensive and drive insurance rates through the roof.  If a track is sanctioning races, following our rules and risk management policies we can work with them.

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SlowOldGuy 8/22/2025 6:51am
8/22/2025 6:51am
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1) Why is AMA considering doing away with Supermini's in Schoolboy 1 and Womens racing? Often some of the best racing in these classes are racers...

1) Why is AMA considering doing away with Supermini's in Schoolboy 1 and Womens racing? Often some of the best racing in these classes are racers on supermini's (e.g Carson Woods on that KX).  Three of the top ten Women at Mini O's last year were on supermini and it should have been 4 of the top ten.  It allows racers that are not quite strong or tall enough for the jump to full sized bikes an addtional class to race in and this intermidary bike provides a safer stepping stone than going straight to a full size bike.  It is especially important for Womens racing as many are not as tall or as strong (generically speaking) and does not require them to move to a full size bike at 12 or even 14 years old.  The weight difference alone can be 40-50 lbs which can be signifigant for a 5' 1" 100lbs female racer.

2) Why is AMA considering raising the age for Women from the current 12 y/o to 14 y/o?  Unfortunately, there are currently only two classes where females can race their gender peers and many are not confortable racing mixed classes (an entry barrier), at least initally.  By elimiating 12 and 13 year olds from Womens, it would further reduce oppurtunities and discourage many female competitors from entering (or staying) in am racing.  The gates at local races are already slim even prior to this proposed change, which only further reduces oppurtunies, not increase them for one of the fastest growing markets in two wheel motorsports.  This proposal is especially suprising given the advances made at the nationals this year in girls/womens racing and because one rarely sees confict or accidents in the Womens classes between the bike sizes.  The justification for this proposal does not make sense and is insufficient.  

 

SlowOldGuy wrote:
At the end of the day this is just risk management.  Imagine defending a lawsuit where a 12 year old on a minibike gets hit by...

At the end of the day this is just risk management.  Imagine defending a lawsuit where a 12 year old on a minibike gets hit by a 30 year old on a 250F.  In what sport in the world do 12 year olds compete against grown women.  There is a reason we don't let a 4'11" man ride a supermini in 250C.  It is not safe.

Zzips wrote:
Mike this reply covers the age discrepancy perfectly. It does not however address the current proposal to eliminate any supermini sized bike from competing in the...

Mike this reply covers the age discrepancy perfectly. It does not however address the current proposal to eliminate any supermini sized bike from competing in the women’s class. Example: I have a 21 year old daughter that races a 150R, she also rides a 125SX. She is much more in control on the 150, as the 125 is just simply a heavier machine. 
I’m not an insurance underwriter, but how on earth can forcing all  women onto full size bikes be considered risk management? There is a much bigger risk in riding a bike you can’t touch the ground on, or muscle around properly, than there is in a couple inches of wheel/chassis size.

Some of our races in district 17 get 15-20 women racers, that’s outstanding, but I’m afraid when this rule takes effect it’ll cut that number down significantly. In fact my daughter has already decided she’s done after 2026, if this rule takes effect.

And the fact this passed by only 1 vote, tells me much needs to be considered before implementing it.

 

Not a done deal yet.  It still has to get past staff and the BOD Competition committee and the board.  We are watching the feedback carefully

SlowOldGuy 8/22/2025 7:02am
8/22/2025 7:02am
aeffertz wrote:
I don’t think this has been asked yet but if it has, please ignore. Going off the viral story of Eddy’s kid caught cheating and how Loretta’s...

I don’t think this has been asked yet but if it has, please ignore. 

Going off the viral story of Eddy’s kid caught cheating and how Loretta’s is a once a year event, do you think just a DQ is a sufficient penalty? Since it only happens once a year, I feel like at minimum a one event ban seems necessary. The cheaters don’t need to be shunned from eternity but considering how expensive it is to attend LLL, maybe just a DQ isn’t a harsh enough penalty. I would love to see some justice beyond a DQ for someone who is caught belligerently cheating. 

It has been discussed many times at the commission meetings but never had much traction.  I sense we may have some traction to increase the penalties based on this incident.  Personally, I would be in favor of stiffer penalties.

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SlowOldGuy 8/22/2025 7:03am
8/22/2025 7:03am
crusher773 wrote:
Why is there not a single actual amateur vet class at LL?  Every single vet class is open to pros of some level.Maybe it's time to...

Why is there not a single actual amateur vet class at LL?  Every single vet class is open to pros of some level.

Maybe it's time to split LL into 2 weeks or maybe 10 days?  Minis and then big bikes.  

 

Never say never.  With all of the new technologies emerging, at some point it might be the answer if new classes were to be added.

SlowOldGuy 8/22/2025 7:19am
8/22/2025 7:19am
kb731 wrote:
I am with a club in the PNW and we hold random races/trail work throughout the year. However things getting harder and harder with insurance costs...

I am with a club in the PNW and we hold random races/trail work throughout the year. However things getting harder and harder with insurance costs and public funds decreasing. I have a few questions. 

Why does the AMA not offer charter clubs? These clubs are grassroots organizations and do the most for motorcycle riding and racing. We even have clubs up here with motocross tracks. 

Why does the AMA not offer single event insurance that doesn’t require AMA membership of racers, my club is part of a larger race series so we can’t follow AMA rules and NMA rules at the same time because some conflict. But we struggle greatly with insurance costs. 

What would it take to create a new district? We don’t have an AMA series in the PNW for Moto or off-road. Maybe we can switch things up a little and get some AMA support.

We have tons of Chartered clubs that run races and racetracks / series.  I am currently working with an AMA promoter in the PNW to bring more AMA activity to your area.

Insuring events that dont follow AMA is a tough one.  Our insurance program is a benefit to our members and promoters.  Extending this benefit to non AMA members and promoters who are not bound by our rules would do nothing but make rates go up for our members/promoters.

Starting a district starts with a phone call.

SlowOldGuy 8/22/2025 7:26am
8/22/2025 7:26am Edited Date/Time 8/22/2025 7:28am
HonTech23 wrote:
How about some referees or rules officials who'll do their job and remove people from classes they aren't supposed to be racing without arguing and having...

How about some referees or rules officials who'll do their job and remove people from classes they aren't supposed to be racing without arguing and having to call you to get it handled? 

Or better yet, how about a system to prevent them from signing up for those classes to begin with?

All of our officials and actually everyone has access to:

results.americanmotorcyclist.com

This gives you access to the classifications of everyone who has raced since 2006.

Sometimes officials want to make sure it is not an administrative error which does happen from time to time.  If they dq someone on race day and it turns out they were wrong, they can't fix that.  We can always handle a dq the following week if it is proven that the rider was in the wrong class.

Proactively, starting about 4 months ago we were able to start running a report every month to tell us who was riding out of class.  In MX it is about 100-120 per month that get sent letters.  After this months letters go out we will be comparing the last 5 months of lists to see if there are people who are ignoring the letters and they will get a phone call.  Definitely moving in the right direction on this one.

 

As to stopping them from signing up in the wrong class in the first place the issue is with the sign up software.  It does not connect with the AMA database to check class.  Every track / promoters system only talks to itself.  Im not a tech guy so this might be an over simplification but in general its accurate.

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GG121 8/22/2025 7:42am
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Hi Mike, any thoughts to adding another vet class to Loretta’s? Maybe “Open Vet” or “Vet 2 Stroke”? I’m about to turn 30, so I’ll have 2 vet classes to qualify for. If you include schoolboy, there are 6 classes for a C level youth to qualify for. Feels like C class is a bit over-represented, and this probably leads to more people sandbagging. I personally don’t think vet class racers should be pushed into racing B class or Pro Sport, as those are largely kids trying to pave their way to a pro career and we’d be taking spots away from them. 

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30minmotos 8/22/2025 7:45am
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GG121 wrote:
Hi Mike, any thoughts to adding another vet class to Loretta’s? Maybe “Open Vet” or “Vet 2 Stroke”? I’m about to turn 30, so I’ll have...

Hi Mike, any thoughts to adding another vet class to Loretta’s? Maybe “Open Vet” or “Vet 2 Stroke”? I’m about to turn 30, so I’ll have 2 vet classes to qualify for. If you include schoolboy, there are 6 classes for a C level youth to qualify for. Feels like C class is a bit over-represented, and this probably leads to more people sandbagging. I personally don’t think vet class racers should be pushed into racing B class or Pro Sport, as those are largely kids trying to pave their way to a pro career and we’d be taking spots away from them. 

If it was a vet 125 class I’d be interested. That’s the bike most vets should be on, and encouraging that style of racing would be epic.

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brocster 8/22/2025 8:08am
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What are the top 3 things that you think the AMA could do to benefit amateur racing?What areas for improvement do you see that are outside...

What are the top 3 things that you think the AMA could do to benefit amateur racing?

What areas for improvement do you see that are outside the scope of the AMA?

SlowOldGuy wrote:
Million Dollar question:Off the top of my head1. Continue refining class structure to match the current climate in amateur and pro racing.  For example what is...

Million Dollar question:

Off the top of my head

1. Continue refining class structure to match the current climate in amateur and pro racing.  For example what is the right age to race a 250F, 450F.  What is the youngest age to ride an 85?  All of the bikes are much more capable today that they were 10 years ago. 

2. Do a better job of educating tracks in risk management.  For example I had a track submit a 7-15 65-85 class.  Obviously we said no.  Imagine defending a lawsuit where a second grader got hit by a high school kid.  It's unfortunate but in this litigious society we live it safety has to be on the top of everyone's mind.  Everything from dead trees in spectator areas to fences that put spectators too close to tracks.  We all have to be more proactive in this area to keep our sport insurable. 

3. Concentrate on the 99% of riders that will never turn Pro.  I say this constantly in our commission meetings.  It is not our mission to create future pro riders it is to concentrate on the other 99%.  MX Sports and Feld have done a great job on the top 1% rider development but our mission should be the other 99%.  

4. We also have a lot of new technology to embrace from Stacycs to Starks. We will need to find a way to integrate new technologies into our program.  The Stacyc generation is going to dwarf the Cobra generation!

 

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Killer outlook. The other 99% really does need the attention. Building tracks that cater to the 1% will continually scare people away and keep people hurt...

Killer outlook. The other 99% really does need the attention. Building tracks that cater to the 1% will continually scare people away and keep people hurt and keep tracks under fire.


Awesome having this convo.

Correct the 99% needs all the attention and keep at the top of mind that in the 99% there is a large majority that never go to a big AMA sanctioned Amateur events where said rules apply.  At the local level it’s typically a free for all in class structure, regulation and rules.  However, most promoters seem to “try” and follow what the AMA does at the larger events, so it starts from the top.i.e. AMA, and has the trickle down effect and surely we can’t rely on peer to peer policing as we know how that turns out…

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mgifracing 8/22/2025 8:13am
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SlowOldGuy wrote:
Would love for this to happen but our challenge is this:Who decides what is a local race and where do you draw the line on which...

Would love for this to happen but our challenge is this:

Who decides what is a local race and where do you draw the line on which A class is OK and which is not?  I dont have the staff or the personal bandwidth to make that decision on every local race in the country.  2 workarounds:

1. Drop A and B together from 1 gate at local races.  They can all race each other but be scored separately

2. Get your local tracks to run A/B Allstar and give the B riders who place in the money gift cards for gas or parts etc.

 

This is what we do in the KMCS and Jeeps Cycle club. I think we went away from the gift cards for B's but I try to stay out of that part of the meetings.

profeshenal125 8/22/2025 8:16am
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Yes on a 125 vet class it doesn’t matter to me 30+ to 50+ .  And I,m 58 59 in Nov I,d rather race 125 12+ age than 55+.  The kids hv better bike control & don’t cheap shot take you out in the 1st corner like 50+.  I think an age group 125 series with an expert or pro class would be Huge.  125  class , 2-st flip as the biggest class sometimes 250c . 

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profeshenal125 wrote:
Yes on a 125 vet class it doesn’t matter to me 30+ to 50+ .  And I,m 58 59 in Nov I,d rather race 125 12+...

Yes on a 125 vet class it doesn’t matter to me 30+ to 50+ .  And I,m 58 59 in Nov I,d rather race 125 12+ age than 55+.  The kids hv better bike control & don’t cheap shot take you out in the 1st corner like 50+.  I think an age group 125 series with an expert or pro class would be Huge.  125  class , 2-st flip as the biggest class sometimes 250c . 

I think just make it 30+ 125 only.


No 150s

No 250s 


125 30+.


It would be epic and it would be the type of racing we need again.

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SlowOldGuy 8/22/2025 8:28am
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GG121 wrote:
Hi Mike, any thoughts to adding another vet class to Loretta’s? Maybe “Open Vet” or “Vet 2 Stroke”? I’m about to turn 30, so I’ll have...

Hi Mike, any thoughts to adding another vet class to Loretta’s? Maybe “Open Vet” or “Vet 2 Stroke”? I’m about to turn 30, so I’ll have 2 vet classes to qualify for. If you include schoolboy, there are 6 classes for a C level youth to qualify for. Feels like C class is a bit over-represented, and this probably leads to more people sandbagging. I personally don’t think vet class racers should be pushed into racing B class or Pro Sport, as those are largely kids trying to pave their way to a pro career and we’d be taking spots away from them. 

The promoter makes the classes but under the current structure at Lorettas a class would need to be dropped to add one.  I dont see more vet classes added.

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30minmotos 8/22/2025 8:37am
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GG121 wrote:
Hi Mike, any thoughts to adding another vet class to Loretta’s? Maybe “Open Vet” or “Vet 2 Stroke”? I’m about to turn 30, so I’ll have...

Hi Mike, any thoughts to adding another vet class to Loretta’s? Maybe “Open Vet” or “Vet 2 Stroke”? I’m about to turn 30, so I’ll have 2 vet classes to qualify for. If you include schoolboy, there are 6 classes for a C level youth to qualify for. Feels like C class is a bit over-represented, and this probably leads to more people sandbagging. I personally don’t think vet class racers should be pushed into racing B class or Pro Sport, as those are largely kids trying to pave their way to a pro career and we’d be taking spots away from them. 

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The promoter makes the classes but under the current structure at Lorettas a class would need to be dropped to add one.  I dont see more...

The promoter makes the classes but under the current structure at Lorettas a class would need to be dropped to add one.  I dont see more vet classes added.

Drop 25 or 30+ and turn it into 25 or 30+ 125 sportsman.


As it is now 25 and 30+ are sorta meh. 

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Does your organization keep a record of the amateur races that were sanctioned by AMA? I'd like to look up the races I entered at Glen...

Does your organization keep a record of the amateur races that were sanctioned by AMA? I'd like to look up the races I entered at Glen Helen (Yamaha Dealer Series; CA State Championships for instance,) and view who some of my competitors were back in the day. 

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www.results.americanmotorcyclist.com

Goes back to 2006

Thanks for this! But, FYI, it appears the URL is invalid (or maybe the server is down). 

In any case, that won't help me because my race results are mostly from the 2000-2004 era. It's a nice resource for later entrants, though! 

EDIT: I found what I think I want at https://americanmotorcyclist.com/racing/racing-resources/racing-results-center-2/ 

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30minmotos wrote:

Drop 25 or 30+ and turn it into 25 or 30+ 125 sportsman.


As it is now 25 and 30+ are sorta meh. 

You guys know Im a huge 2 stroke guy, but I dont recall seeing any vet riders on 125s at any racetrack this year.  I'm there are some out there but that class would certainly be smaller than a +25 or + 30 on 4 strokes.  At Lorettas wirth the time limitations, if there is a new class added the expectations are that it will perform as good or better than the 1 it replaced.

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30minmotos wrote:

Drop 25 or 30+ and turn it into 25 or 30+ 125 sportsman.


As it is now 25 and 30+ are sorta meh. 

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You guys know Im a huge 2 stroke guy, but I dont recall seeing any vet riders on 125s at any racetrack this year.  I'm there...

You guys know Im a huge 2 stroke guy, but I dont recall seeing any vet riders on 125s at any racetrack this year.  I'm there are some out there but that class would certainly be smaller than a +25 or + 30 on 4 strokes.  At Lorettas wirth the time limitations, if there is a new class added the expectations are that it will perform as good or better than the 1 it replaced.

There’s nobody on them, because there’s no class for them. “Everyone needs a 450 for the start”


 

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30minmotos wrote:

Drop 25 or 30+ and turn it into 25 or 30+ 125 sportsman.


As it is now 25 and 30+ are sorta meh. 

SlowOldGuy wrote:
You guys know Im a huge 2 stroke guy, but I dont recall seeing any vet riders on 125s at any racetrack this year.  I'm there...

You guys know Im a huge 2 stroke guy, but I dont recall seeing any vet riders on 125s at any racetrack this year.  I'm there are some out there but that class would certainly be smaller than a +25 or + 30 on 4 strokes.  At Lorettas wirth the time limitations, if there is a new class added the expectations are that it will perform as good or better than the 1 it replaced.

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There’s nobody on them, because there’s no class for them. “Everyone needs a 450 for the start”


 

I raced a 125 against 450s in the Vet class, and even I agree with SlowOldGuy; there aren't many 125 vets out there. (Probably more now than when I was on one, but even if the number has tripled, that means there are three guys!) 

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SlowOldGuy wrote:
You guys know Im a huge 2 stroke guy, but I dont recall seeing any vet riders on 125s at any racetrack this year.  I'm there...

You guys know Im a huge 2 stroke guy, but I dont recall seeing any vet riders on 125s at any racetrack this year.  I'm there are some out there but that class would certainly be smaller than a +25 or + 30 on 4 strokes.  At Lorettas wirth the time limitations, if there is a new class added the expectations are that it will perform as good or better than the 1 it replaced.

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There’s nobody on them, because there’s no class for them. “Everyone needs a 450 for the start”


 

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I raced a 125 against 450s in the Vet class, and even I agree with SlowOldGuy; there aren't many 125 vets out there. (Probably more now...

I raced a 125 against 450s in the Vet class, and even I agree with SlowOldGuy; there aren't many 125 vets out there. (Probably more now than when I was on one, but even if the number has tripled, that means there are three guys!) 

Gosh, yes! Because there hasn’t been a class for them since 2004 or so in basically any series.


There’s some 125 12-17 classes, or open 2 stroke which comepletely defeats the idea of a 125 class because nobody would race a 125 against 250 and 300s same as 125s in the 250 class.


I can’t see how nobody sees the opportunity for what it could do to the sport here but yeah. Not everyone wants to line up against 450s with paddles at 30/40/50+ years old.  The racing could be incredible .

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Thanks for all the rsponses Mike. I'm Vice-Chair of D14 Enduro and just worked with Logan earlier this week on a out of class protest. He's doing a great job and knowing him for years now from D14 and NEPG, I think he's a great person for the job. 

Regarding the signup software collaborating with the AMA for class and info, we have been using Livelaps and they are cross checking now. The issue we are running into is the old software term GIGO. Garbage In - Garbage Out. Folks who have never completely checked their AMA account or profile have wrong spellings, birthdates, etc. and with thousands of members, the system regularly gets it wrong. It wouldn't be a bad idea to do a social media blast, email blast, etc to member to please go update their AMA accounts online to insure their data is correct.

Results center seems to be getting better and when results are submitted by the clubs/promoters they are appearing much more quickly and accurately. 

profeshenal125 8/22/2025 9:21am
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Yes on a 125 vet class it doesn’t matter to me 30+ to 50+ .  And I,m 58 59 in Nov I,d rather race 125 12+...

Yes on a 125 vet class it doesn’t matter to me 30+ to 50+ .  And I,m 58 59 in Nov I,d rather race 125 12+ age than 55+.  The kids hv better bike control & don’t cheap shot take you out in the 1st corner like 50+.  I think an age group 125 series with an expert or pro class would be Huge.  125  class , 2-st flip as the biggest class sometimes 250c . 

30minmotos wrote:

I think just make it 30+ 125 only.


No 150s

No 250s 


125 30+.


It would be epic and it would be the type of racing we need again.

I,m good with that,  if your district has a 12+ 125 class race it.  The kids are amazing riders it was a big race 3-4 states & Canadians . Pitted next to me the kids lived at GTF for 6 months this yr. No way I would beat them in the race but back in 14th of 25.   You hv No idea how much fun the racing is .  

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