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Dirtbikes are toys/hobbies. The Varg is the best bike right now for certain riders. Choosing to buy/ride one should have nothing to do with political scams. Save that for the tax payer supported ev cars
I own a Varg and I cringe everytime someone brings in politics about the bike.
I like the product lol. The CEO, may or may not.
I hate how so many dumb things have become political. I hope it goes away. Beer, bikes,babes all things any guy loves have all become dumb arguments that only the way far right and left people are close to believing. And people get slotted into those parties because there are only those 2 options to vote for . Then turned into talking points on the cable news channels. Turning people that share so much in common into enemies because they voted for 2 different candidates, when they could agree on just about everything except the person they voted for. I don't trust any leader who wants to divide the people they lead .
All that BS is why I have always stayed away from using any of the controversial claimed Pro's for EV's whenever talking about why I think electric MX bikes are a great addition to the other options since they allow you to do things the others don't. And the potential for future advancements gets me very excited.
*Edited to correct dive to divide
Well done to Varg for the update, more of an update than most other manurfactures.
No, i don't own one, and probably never will.
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"toxic stuff"... "solar panels"... "lower emissions"... "off grid"... "veggie diesel".
Bruh...turn off the TV.
What have you got against solar panels?
You don't like generating your own power for $0.045 per KWh?
Nobody ever considers the insane amount of r and d (energy emissions retooling) involved with a new technology like this, all the infrastructure changes (energy, crews, emissions). Shops need new tooling, chargers, wiring, breakers, sometimes new walls and buildings to meet the needs. I’ve been in fleet work for 10 years and automotive for 20 and the amount of money, energy and crews involved with prepping for and maintaining electric has been staggering.
So yes maybe in a vacuum ignoring a huge amount of extraneous variables electric produces zero emissions. The amount of energy that goes into revamping entire industries, shops, truck stops, home garages, airport parking lots, shopping mall parking lots, on and on and on to accept these chargers, let alone producing these batteries and all the growing pains associated with a new tech is never associated.
We spent several million I think it was 20-30, on electric busses at my system, the batteries burned to the ground burned several busses, and the weight of the batteries cracked the chassis between the windows rendering the entire fleet condemned . That’s after revamping an entire shop to handle charging 30 electric buses that never stayed in service for more than a month before all the failures.
They sued the mfg and the mfg is out of business before any costs were recovered.
They’ve been out of service for years now and a fire just happened two months ago, because these types of batteries are unpredictable and volatile.
The amount of emissions from these fires is astounding. Yes ice catch on fire too, but please ignoring all these variables just for your agenda and feel goods is wild to see.
Anybody remember the ship burning down due to an electric Porsche spontaneously burning to the ground and sinking the whole ship? What kind of emissions impact does that do to your comparisons? Never factored in. EV fires are nearly impossible to put out for sciencey reasons. They seem to contain all the ingredients for the fire internally and no amount of water, smothering, foam has any impact. Never factored in.
As far as the updated stark - 20% increase in range is nothing to sneeze at and several durability updates is certainly more than some BNG like many core mfgs introduce. Stark offering so many options at purchase and allowing you to have it set up for you is such a breath of fresh air.
There are positives and negatives to electric and ICE. We all know that. The Varg is a toy and a car/truck is likely a daily driver. Works for some and doesn't for others. Stark continues to improve the bike and the CEO rides the freakin product. I've had relatively "Bad Luck" with my MX Varg. I'm on battery #3 and motor #2 but I still like the bike. As a Vet rider it checks the boxes. The battery outlast me and the performance is above my pay grade. IMO ICE bikes have been "meh" for decades, yes they perform well but "real change"? Nope. The marketing guys just shuffle the package around a little each year. I'm I anti ICE? Nope. Mixed up some Maxima 927 and raced my 1985 Kawasaki the Mid Ohio a few weeks back and had a royal blast. My orange 300 is going back together soon and I'm looking forward to that ride also.
I just bought a new hybrid truck and want a varg. The reasons are not to do with the environment, if I was basing my decision off of "being green", the greenest option would have been to keep my old vehicle and keep my current bike. I got the truck and want a varg because I wanted them and I think they're fun. That's it.
Were those Arrival busses?
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Cool they released 1.2. The 1.0-1.1 needs support for the bad phone. They need a hardwired ebike style computer and/or iPhone app. RETROFIT.
Map indication, battery life percentage and hours. That's all we need for the MX.
Tiny, tucked out of the way to the left center of the handlebar. The connectivity with the non EX/MX1.2 phone is terrible and flat out unacceptable. I often have no clue how much charge my bike has and I'm getting worn out dealing with that myself. Everything else is DIALED. Suspension, handling, motor, you name it.
Hey at least your motors and batteries were replaced under warranty right? 2 years I believe. Can't say the same about ICE bikes.
Yup, all covered. I only hope Stark offers their extended warranty to USA customers. I'll be 1st in line.
They are braindead hicks you can't reason with them. You can't even present factual information to them. Just jingle some keys in their face like a baby and move on lmao
The company is only about 5 years old, I wouldnt say focusing on 1 platform for that time is a bad thing especially considering they went from zero production of any type to putting out several thousand bikes.
What sort of expansion would be best for them? They have a niche as the only mass produced off-road electric bike that's anywhere near equivalent to the best gas bikes. If they go for a smaller bike they run into Chinese competition, if they go bigger electric street bikes have been a disaster, pedal e-bikes put KTM and other companies into bankruptcy.
Theres also no direction from the FIM and AMA in regards to what electric racing will look like in the next 5 to 10 years so nothing else to plan for besides making the best electric MX bike that has an acceptable weight.
I agree. The EX is pushing it as far as a customer base. Road legal, which is good but again, you are at the mercy of the Stark charger cord. 1 hour from the house and you better be turning around. Enduro? The extra battery just gets you to the next check before you hour out plus you got to carry the extra weight with you. I see the EX as a niche bike inside a niche bike, in a niche market. Stark really needs the racing bodies to loosen up so they can breathe.
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Charging $1000 for Tarrif , they can keep the bikes !
Who do you think should pay the tariff?
Mexico! They still owe us for that stupid wall....
Ive installed more solar panels and wind generators than you have saved whales thats for sure.
Just because I make a joke about 60 "nightly news headline buzz words" in a single paragraph you call me a hick.
Damn... I love this place.
I’m 62 yo (How the F#ck did that happen!?!?)
I love dirt bikes, especially 2 strokes, and 4 strokes, and I’m sure electric.
I installed a big solar and battery system at my shop/house - not to save the planet, not even to really save money (that’s a bonus) but to stop paying very much money at all to the greedy, immoral power companies. And to have some power when the neglected system starts to fail. More often.
I would, and might, buy a Stark for the fun of riding a dirt (Supermoto?) bike with 80HP and a linear/adjustable power band. No politics, planet or climate considerations. If I was rich, I’d have 2, and a suburban MX track. (And a more remote track for the loud bikes.)
I’d love to see one in a “Straight Rhythm” event with Travis Pastrama riding it. Much faster than a 500cc 2 stroke.
They'll pay when it's finished!
✌️✌️✌️lol I agree on all points!
If this were a valid argument, we never should have spent money on "re-tooling" and should all be riding horse/buggies around. My opinion is, I'm glad they re-tooled for ICE cars that lasted 100+ years. And I'm glad they are spending money re-tooling for electric vehicles that will be around for 100+ years as well.
If electric were better in the areas people care about you may be right, but electric range is worse, refuel times instead of 2 mins is 2-10hours, cost to build is higher, cost to purchase higher, cost to insure higher (even raises your home owners insurance due to fires), and resale value is worse.
And the things I said previously are reality - and as I said they never are factored into the conversation. Even your reply throws them. So whether they are better or not as a vehicle is one thing. Better for the environment or not is another, and nobody wants to look at the full picture, ever. Because as soon as it’s a full representation, it’s not what they wanted to see.
Electric vehicles for mandatory travel (work, day-to-day errands) are one thing; electric vehicles for recreation are another set of demands. Some pieces transcend the two. If a E-bike hits the marks you need; great. You depend on your recreational vehicle for your rec needs not a job.
Ford is pushing ahead with it's EV program putting in place a new $2 billion assembly line system, retooling a Kentucky plant to be used in building EV pick ups and a $3 billion battery plant in Michigan. Ford lost over $5 billion in 2024 and expects to lose more this year due to declining sales. As much as EV's are failing there is major money being pumped into making them happen from here to China. Why? Billions invested, billions lost and they keep pushing. I sure would like to be in the board room and hear the long term plan.
Anybody got one here in USA already?
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