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He has lead for 15min. So he has the pace, when he will be comfortable and bike is working as he wants it to.
Speed will not be the question.
This explains Jorge’s attitude adjustment. Kawi saying you’re free to go and don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out should tone down his dick swinging in the truck.
A KTM deal for bonuses only, make it work with Kawi or back to Europe with tail between legs. I’d try and make the Kawi work too
He better do something because the Kawi guys are going to be looking at him with Chase next year saying, “see our bike can win indoors and outdoors”.
…….bike just won Canadian Nation title and has the red plate in MXGP so yeah……….. the bike doesn’t suck.
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In Phillip we trust….. imagine if Philthy showed up to Dilla on JA21s bike, good chance of putting it in the top 10 or thereabouts
That bike will work as good as he wants it to. It's no better or worse than any other brand. Sometimes it's the rider that has to adapt. There is no perfect bike. You gotta just find a way to meld. Some bikes might take more work depending on riding style. That's just the truth.
He's just onery enough to make that happen. A good start and there ain't no telling.😉
The argument that the bike is fine just because Phil won in Canada is ridiculous; different team, different setup, different rider.
If you’ve had anything to do with mx for any length of time, surely you realise pros like, and require, different setups, sometimes vastly different, to be competitive at the elite level.
So Jorge wants a true factory bike, not a pretend factory bike?
True, true. It's just too bad Jorge doesn't have access to the Canadian R&D budget.
It's probably that Prado isn't willing to do the throat-slit gesture to the team after mentioning the bike needs changes?
Or Kawi could have upgraded the bike to fix power at Pala instead of with two rounds to go as they did now.
Phil said he would get smoked on his bike in AMA because how it is currently in Canada.
I was thinking Herlings was on Ironman on "his" euro spec bike.
So the Canadian pro team has more resources, is better equipped, or more capable for their riders?
Fact is, whether he thought it was fast or slow, it did enough right for an old man to outlast the faster kids and take home his first professional championship in his mid 30s. Maybe it wasn’t the fastest bike on the track, but the fastest bike isn’t always the one that wins.
As someone who was in attendance at Ironman, I can attest to the fact that Jorge was gassed at the end of the motos. Towards the end (of even the first moto) he stopped doing some of the jump sections he had been doing the whole race and the guys in front of him did throughout the moto.
Your comparison is as relevant as using a vet race that someone won on kawi last week so bike is good.
Did you miss that Phil has basically said his bike isn't competitive in AMA? He literally said he would get smoked because of the bike.
How is this relevant?
Phil has said he would get smoked due to the bike if he went to AMA with it, it would not be competitive there but Canada is a different series.
If the bike is slow, didn't Jorge go through a negotiating process and sign a contract to race that bike. He chose the bike, it took effort and thought for him to get on this team, involving lawyers, advisors, and agents, nobody forced him to race this alleged "slow" bike on his alleged shitty team. Nobody put a gun to his head and told him to race this slow bike, the process to choose or decide certainly took weeks if not months. He is not some 17-year-old rookie, he is a four-time world champ, an international level multi-millionaire athlete, a cosmopolitan sophisticated individual, he could have chosen any manufacturer he wanted to race for, and he chose a "slow" bike with an unresponsive team not even good enough for a Canadian championship? Funny how the PC250s seem to have motors to pull Garrett Marchbanks to podiums and Drew Adams to top fives but the 450 is a supposed slug.
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Why is it so hard to accept that the bike sucks, and it took until now to get it better? If Eli was saying the same things Prado was, it would be ok.
Everyone wants Prado to fail in some sort of, look at how trash mxgp is and America is the best dynamic it’s wild to observe.
Comparing 250 and 450 shows you have no clue what you are talking about.
And, can you show us where it says Prado did not have requirements on kawi to fix more power and they agreed to that?
Maybe the Phil comparison is irrelevant, but the fact that I watched him wilt in the heat like a daisy and slow dramatically in the final laps of the race would certainly indicate that his level of riding fitness is not in the same ballpark as the Lawrence brothers and Chase. This is not surprising considering he has been recovering from injuries sustained in Supercross since he’s been here. I have a hard time believing that a faster bike would have helped him maintain his endurance in the final laps. If he can ever get healthy and have an off season to test and get fit, I’m sure he has the talent to improve his results.
I didn’t say the bike was fine because it won the Canadian National, I said it didn’t suck. Two different teams in two different series have given two different riders a bike that won or is winning that series. That would seem to indicate a solid platform to build from right? I’m tired of the “it’s the bike” argument. Sounds like he’s finally got something he’s happy with so let’s see what he’s capable of now.
I hate to interject facts to this emotional conversation, but Prado finished the same distance from the leaders at Ironman as he did at Fox. The new engine package may have put a smile on his face but it did nothing for his results.
Ibeould be surprised if he has not lost race fitness after a full season of testing and not being able to ride at the pace he wants.
Just dropping lap times with 2-3sec takes down like up to 10% of heart rate.
Tomac ended a minute behind in first with a holeshot and 12 sec in the last one. What does that say?
Useless metric with way to many circumstances involved that affects.
If you listed to Prado's interview he still has work to be done on suspension now that power is fixed.
If Kawi would have delivered power by round two since everyone is saying they are a factory team and they can fix what they want whenever they want in terms of engine and power, they should have just solved it and suspension would have been fixed also by now.
Tomac? I thought we were talking about Prado. When he actually tries for the full 30 + 2 he has been consistently 50-60 seconds back of the leader. That's just kind of his place, new motor, old motor, whatever. Hopefully he comes into next season in a better headspace and he can cut into that gap.
I believe Kawi would have addressed the engine concern earlier if they could have. Kawi is not enjoying this either and sure look committed to doing whatever needed to give him a bike he can win on. Broc said in an interview a few weeks ago that they knew what the issue was and knew how to fix it but he indicated it wasn’t going to be easy.
Agree. Just tired of people not realizing the restraint and complexity it can be to fix an engine that slow from the beginning.
Even Mattes is like "they can fix whatever is needed". Yes sure, but took them a season.
Kawi changed the whole engine and setup to be compliant with new noise levels. Whatever Tomac did on the old Kawi engine is not relevant, because its not the same engine.
You are missing the point are you. Let's make it even clearer.
Its not relevant to look at time behind leaders unless you know they tried all the way to the finish line for all laps, and taking in all other 5 or 10 things that affect it.
Tomac two races should tell you all you need to know about looking at time behind leaders for how a rider can perform if he pushed all the way or if he is comfortable.
There is no telling if Prado could have been 20 or 30sec behind in moto 2 if he would have had suspension that wasn't to soft for the power they now fixed since he was bottoming out everywhere.
Tomac signed out Moto 1, gave up. But came back to Moto 2. He was sick was the explanation. Everyone knows that being sick in high temperature weather you will perform better in moto 2 when you emptied your energy reserves 🙄
It's amazing how many times a person can reply with, "you misunderstood me" in these threads. There was no comparing the 250 to 450 bikes, my thought was all of Kawasaki's PC 250 rider praise the motor on their bikes, and 450 riders are bitching. Perhaps Prado was misinformed, lied to, and duped by Kawasaki in an effort to make him look bad riding a slow motorcycle, but I doubt it. Better chance is a multi-billion dollar international corporation, employing thousands hired him to make the brand look good, not shit talk the product on a weekly basis.
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