Loretta Vs Pro Pits Observation

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7/31/2025 9:09am
wicksy85 wrote:
There's kids with flasher set ups than top level privateers doing SX races haha, its mind blowing the amount of money that gets poured into children...

There's kids with flasher set ups than top level privateers doing SX races haha, its mind blowing the amount of money that gets poured into children when only 5% 'make' it.

Its getting that way in australia with some mini parents spending big money on shit.

"5%" 'make' it, wicksy85 ?

I'd say it's more like .005%, or, lets put another '0' after the decimal point..

We may be a small sport, but it's still has many thousands within it. And there's not much more than a couple of hundred or so, at any time, even in the USA or Europe, that ''make it" in any significant way.

But, take heart, people - whenever I see riders / parents saying they want their kids to "make it" in other "easier" sports, I chuckle a bit that they must be ignoring / have  no idea how many more participants those sports have, making it even more unlikely they'll "make it".  Sure, due to the size of other sports, the overall numbers that make a living from more mainstream sports will be higher, but, so will be the competition to "make it".

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Rupert X wrote:
Observation from Ohio : You should name your kid  Landin, Landen, Landon, Landun or Landing if you are serious about getting him/her to Loretta’s.

Observation from Ohio : You should name your kid  Landin, Landen, Landon, Landun or Landing if you are serious about getting him/her to Loretta’s. IMG 2751.png?VersionId=1uh  PMggwN87kDtK6SkXxnKIg

Is there another sport where the parents name their kids so stupidly?  

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7/31/2025 9:15am Edited Date/Time 7/31/2025 9:19am
Kyle978 wrote:
For some of those kids, by the time they turn pro their parents have already created such a financial hardship for their family they just can’t...

For some of those kids, by the time they turn pro their parents have already created such a financial hardship for their family they just can’t do it at that level any more.

Second mortgages, personal loans, etc. are relatively common, and more prevalent in the families you see that seem to have unlimited resources. Huge rigs usually mean huge payments, and the stress to go with it. Very few of these “baller” families are paying cash or have the cash to back up their purchases. 

I’ve personally seen a divorce due to the wife not agreeing with the allocation of time and overspending, and a couple divorces narrowly avoided. 

I wish I had filmed the 2016 SX season I did with Cole Martinez to show to some of these parents. Our race shop was Cooper Webbs 2-car garage in Menifee. Stock practice bike other than suspension, pipe and Vortex ECU. We flew to races and had a semi to pit out of, but the semi was nearly empty. Got some top-10’s in SX basically doing it off a plastic folding table and small tool box. 

 

T-MAC wrote:
Sounds like a great story to be told with the Cole Martinez program...I respect the families that keep moto fun. The LL dance is a cool...

Sounds like a great story to be told with the Cole Martinez program...

I respect the families that keep moto fun. The LL dance is a cool achievement, but this sport is so small, and so few riders make a good living, why do parents push their kids so hard to chase this path? Even if they are a good rider, it's so damn expensive. Is the juice worth the squeeze? 

Think of the alternative moto memories you could create for life with significantly less time and money investment, without the insane pressure to perform because mom and dad sold the farm to get you there. And think about the other sibling who isn't the elite racer, and is along for the ride.

There are so many valuable life lessons to be learned from life around dirt bikes. LL families are a dedicated bunch, no doubt.

People underestimate the number of families that are there for fun, not trying to squeeze any juice. We used to rent a motorhome for the week, and we split the cost with another family that stayed in town and just pitted with us. If someone drove by our pit they would probably think we were "balling", unless they noticed the 3 rail trailer that hauled my tired YZ125 to Tennessee. It was no more expensive for us to travel to LL's than it would have been to go to Mini O's, Mammoth, etc.

I feel sorry for the kids that are pressured by parents that have gone beyond their means in hope of pro motocross glory for junior, but those families are the exception not the rule (I hope?).   

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Chuck_Nice wrote:

More pay to race riders on the factory support teams than ever before.

Like who?

Thank you for questioning ….. because it doesn’t exist. 

I have even seen B racers being DQed at LL for making $ at races.

Traveling to races for the weekend in Toy hauler trailers and $100,000 pickups pulling them has been around for many many years.

I noticed in the early years of Team Green that the Team Green racers had motorhomes like it may have been a requirement for successful appearance.

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7/31/2025 10:02am
Chuck_Nice wrote:

More pay to race riders on the factory support teams than ever before.

Like who?

lumpy790 wrote:
Thank you for questioning ….. because it doesn’t exist. I have even seen B racers being DQed at LL for making $ at races.Traveling to races for...

Thank you for questioning ….. because it doesn’t exist. 

I have even seen B racers being DQed at LL for making $ at races.

Traveling to races for the weekend in Toy hauler trailers and $100,000 pickups pulling them has been around for many many years.

I noticed in the early years of Team Green that the Team Green racers had motorhomes like it may have been a requirement for successful appearance.

How where they making money ?  Imagine is everything a kid had a new box van for traveling on his own. . His own mechanic Alex Emigs neighbor Alex became Ktm manager.  A local audio store gave him  10k stereo. The family had a bus motorhome also & 2 other kids that raced . Angi was doing women’s pro .  I bought a trl a guy spent 69k he used it for mini o,s. Then I bought it for 25k & rented it to tge family in between moto homes .  I didn’t want to spend 15k on a dually so I sold it on consignment after that . Yr was 96,97 . A couple yrs later another family had a 18 wheeler for 2 boys racing . 

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7/31/2025 10:40am
Rupert X wrote:
Observation from Ohio : You should name your kid  Landin, Landen, Landon, Landun or Landing if you are serious about getting him/her to Loretta’s.

Observation from Ohio : You should name your kid  Landin, Landen, Landon, Landun or Landing if you are serious about getting him/her to Loretta’s. IMG 2751.png?VersionId=1uh  PMggwN87kDtK6SkXxnKIg

disbanded wrote:

Is there another sport where the parents name their kids so stupidly?  

I’m a “Rupert”, you’re asking the wrong guy….IMG 2730.jpeg?VersionId=H9XBPNXXvwky6Lt

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7/31/2025 11:08am

Thank you for calling it “the pits” and not “the paddock”. 

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T-MAC wrote:
Hayden, Haiden, Aiden, Kayden. Your kid will moto by namesake if you start here. Or Ryder.EDIT - I see a kid named Diesel on that list...

Hayden, Haiden, Aiden, Kayden. Your kid will moto by namesake if you start here. Or Ryder.

EDIT - I see a kid named Diesel on that list. Fascinating. Inspired by Dungey or Whistlin' Diesel YouTube channel??

toddh wrote:

Saw one name Raycin. 

-MAVERICK- wrote:

That little girl is fast. 

Like the boy named Sue, she better be fast with that name!

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Did we ever acknowledge that Loretta’s is 7 days long plus travel and middle of nowhere while SX is one day and in a city? 

One is a campground. One is a parking lot. One is a family event everyone in the fam goes to. One is a professional sport consisting of dad and rider or mechanic and rider. 

These are major factors in the size of rig needed. 

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8/1/2025 6:05am
Crutcher wrote:
Did we ever acknowledge that Loretta’s is 7 days long plus travel and middle of nowhere while SX is one day and in a city? One is...

Did we ever acknowledge that Loretta’s is 7 days long plus travel and middle of nowhere while SX is one day and in a city? 

One is a campground. One is a parking lot. One is a family event everyone in the fam goes to. One is a professional sport consisting of dad and rider or mechanic and rider. 

These are major factors in the size of rig needed. 

This right here. ☝️

Easier to drag a huge set-up to only three races a year. 

Been there, done that…. 

I don’t even understand the economics of semi’s. If one or two riders go down—-the big rig still rolls (sometimes with only 1–or none riders). That drives the cfo side of my mind crazy! 

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8/1/2025 6:11am
Rupert X wrote:
Observation from Ohio : You should name your kid  Landin, Landen, Landon, Landun or Landing if you are serious about getting him/her to Loretta’s.

Observation from Ohio : You should name your kid  Landin, Landen, Landon, Landun or Landing if you are serious about getting him/her to Loretta’s. IMG 2751.png?VersionId=1uh  PMggwN87kDtK6SkXxnKIg

disbanded wrote:

Is there another sport where the parents name their kids so stupidly?  

Do we really have to go down this road? If yes, look at basketball and football player names...

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8/1/2025 6:27am Edited Date/Time 8/1/2025 6:32am
T-MAC wrote:
Hayden, Haiden, Aiden, Kayden. Your kid will moto by namesake if you start here. Or Ryder.EDIT - I see a kid named Diesel on that list...

Hayden, Haiden, Aiden, Kayden. Your kid will moto by namesake if you start here. Or Ryder.

EDIT - I see a kid named Diesel on that list. Fascinating. Inspired by Dungey or Whistlin' Diesel YouTube channel??

I’m thinking Diesel is Profeshenal125’s kid. 

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8/1/2025 7:15am
T-MAC wrote:
Hayden, Haiden, Aiden, Kayden. Your kid will moto by namesake if you start here. Or Ryder.EDIT - I see a kid named Diesel on that list...

Hayden, Haiden, Aiden, Kayden. Your kid will moto by namesake if you start here. Or Ryder.

EDIT - I see a kid named Diesel on that list. Fascinating. Inspired by Dungey or Whistlin' Diesel YouTube channel??

Gworm wrote:

I’m thinking Diesel is Profeshenal125’s kid. 

          Pro only knows the cities where these ladies be hangin’

      He can’t keep track of the names of the women he’s been bangin’

      Diesel, or Triple, or maybe even Jett

      Pro has only one rule…

       Stick it where it’s wet  ! 

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Crutcher wrote:
Did we ever acknowledge that Loretta’s is 7 days long plus travel and middle of nowhere while SX is one day and in a city? One is...

Did we ever acknowledge that Loretta’s is 7 days long plus travel and middle of nowhere while SX is one day and in a city? 

One is a campground. One is a parking lot. One is a family event everyone in the fam goes to. One is a professional sport consisting of dad and rider or mechanic and rider. 

These are major factors in the size of rig needed. 

Pro pit move in day is Thursday so its 3 days but yes LL is 7-10 days depending on when you roll in to get a good parking spot. I always arrived on Thursday.

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8/1/2025 7:52am
T-MAC wrote:
Hayden, Haiden, Aiden, Kayden. Your kid will moto by namesake if you start here. Or Ryder.EDIT - I see a kid named Diesel on that list...

Hayden, Haiden, Aiden, Kayden. Your kid will moto by namesake if you start here. Or Ryder.

EDIT - I see a kid named Diesel on that list. Fascinating. Inspired by Dungey or Whistlin' Diesel YouTube channel??

Gworm wrote:

I’m thinking Diesel is Profeshenal125’s kid. 

          Pro only knows the cities where these ladies be hangin’      He can’t keep track of the names of the...

          Pro only knows the cities where these ladies be hangin’

      He can’t keep track of the names of the women he’s been bangin’

      Diesel, or Triple, or maybe even Jett

      Pro has only one rule…

       Stick it where it’s wet  ! 

Whoever down voted this needs a tampon. 

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T-MAC wrote:
Hayden, Haiden, Aiden, Kayden. Your kid will moto by namesake if you start here. Or Ryder.EDIT - I see a kid named Diesel on that list...

Hayden, Haiden, Aiden, Kayden. Your kid will moto by namesake if you start here. Or Ryder.

EDIT - I see a kid named Diesel on that list. Fascinating. Inspired by Dungey or Whistlin' Diesel YouTube channel??

Gworm wrote:

I’m thinking Diesel is Profeshenal125’s kid. 

          Pro only knows the cities where these ladies be hangin’      He can’t keep track of the names of the...

          Pro only knows the cities where these ladies be hangin’

      He can’t keep track of the names of the women he’s been bangin’

      Diesel, or Triple, or maybe even Jett

      Pro has only one rule…

       Stick it where it’s wet  ! 

Bars. 

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          Pro only knows the cities where these ladies be hangin’      He can’t keep track of the names of the...

          Pro only knows the cities where these ladies be hangin’

      He can’t keep track of the names of the women he’s been bangin’

      Diesel, or Triple, or maybe even Jett

      Pro has only one rule…

       Stick it where it’s wet  ! 

Brilliant.

It's like a plug chop test. Stick it in and go wide open. Pull the plug and you want it a little wet, if it's a bit brown it possibly went in the wrong port in this instance.

Back of the big rig is poorly lit, long day on the road to Loretta's. Everyone makes mistakes, sometimes that means naming your kid Diesel.

I enjoy trying to read Profeshenals posts. It reminds me of those jumbled word dyslexic test paragraphs.

All in good fun, tampons are good to have in the toolbox for when I inevitably get punched in the face.

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Rupert X wrote:
Observation from Ohio : You should name your kid  Landin, Landen, Landon, Landun or Landing if you are serious about getting him/her to Loretta’s.

Observation from Ohio : You should name your kid  Landin, Landen, Landon, Landun or Landing if you are serious about getting him/her to Loretta’s. IMG 2751.png?VersionId=1uh  PMggwN87kDtK6SkXxnKIg

Kyle978 wrote:

Going to name mine “VP Pro 6”

"C12 go cut the damn lawn"

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8/1/2025 1:47pm
T-MAC wrote:
Hayden, Haiden, Aiden, Kayden. Your kid will moto by namesake if you start here. Or Ryder.EDIT - I see a kid named Diesel on that list...

Hayden, Haiden, Aiden, Kayden. Your kid will moto by namesake if you start here. Or Ryder.

EDIT - I see a kid named Diesel on that list. Fascinating. Inspired by Dungey or Whistlin' Diesel YouTube channel??

toddh wrote:

Saw one name Raycin. 

-MAVERICK- wrote:

That little girl is fast. 

She WON a title!  10-11 65cc Class!  First girl in 44 years to win a non-female class! 

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8/1/2025 2:29pm Edited Date/Time 8/1/2025 2:39pm
wicksy85 wrote:
There's kids with flasher set ups than top level privateers doing SX races haha, its mind blowing the amount of money that gets poured into children...

There's kids with flasher set ups than top level privateers doing SX races haha, its mind blowing the amount of money that gets poured into children when only 5% 'make' it.

Its getting that way in australia with some mini parents spending big money on shit.

You mean 0.5%. Maybe even smaller than that if you define 'making it' as being a full factory rider. And then even smaller than that if you define it as actually making life changing money. Most of the pros in a supercross race are making bugger all, or are paying for their rides courtesy of mummy and daddy.

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8/1/2025 2:34pm
T-MAC wrote:
Hayden, Haiden, Aiden, Kayden. Your kid will moto by namesake if you start here. Or Ryder.EDIT - I see a kid named Diesel on that list...

Hayden, Haiden, Aiden, Kayden. Your kid will moto by namesake if you start here. Or Ryder.

EDIT - I see a kid named Diesel on that list. Fascinating. Inspired by Dungey or Whistlin' Diesel YouTube channel??

May as well name their kid Bogan with those names. Especially with the alternate spellings. 

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T-MAC wrote:
Hayden, Haiden, Aiden, Kayden. Your kid will moto by namesake if you start here. Or Ryder.EDIT - I see a kid named Diesel on that list...

Hayden, Haiden, Aiden, Kayden. Your kid will moto by namesake if you start here. Or Ryder.

EDIT - I see a kid named Diesel on that list. Fascinating. Inspired by Dungey or Whistlin' Diesel YouTube channel??

Herr Lich wrote:

May as well name their kid Bogan with those names. Especially with the alternate spellings. 

I play golf with a "Bodin". The little shit is one heck of a player too.

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8/1/2025 7:30pm
Rupert X wrote:
Observation from Ohio : You should name your kid  Landin, Landen, Landon, Landun or Landing if you are serious about getting him/her to Loretta’s.

Observation from Ohio : You should name your kid  Landin, Landen, Landon, Landun or Landing if you are serious about getting him/her to Loretta’s. IMG 2751.png?VersionId=1uh  PMggwN87kDtK6SkXxnKIg

Kyle978 wrote:

Going to name mine “VP Pro 6”

The best name in Loretta’s right now has to be “Halo Pirate.” 

If you know you know 😂 what a name man.

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8/1/2025 9:37pm Edited Date/Time 8/1/2025 9:44pm
BobPA wrote:

"C12 go cut the damn lawn"

This made me laugh hard for some reason, thank you.

But, if C12 is out cutting lawns on their road to Loretta's, you are raising him (of her) right.

Props to the young gal, Raycin, for being very good at racing. Truly impressive coming away with a title amongst the boys. Credit where credit is due, that is pretty badass.

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