1 Track IDENTICAL every single year

Edited Date/Time 7/11/2025 2:19am

They should make 1 track in the outdoors as identical as possible every single year - so we have a fairly objective measurement of the best laptime on the exact same track over the history of motocross.

 

It should be on a track with the least chance of rain.

 

It will give us a good approximation of Prime James Stewart vs Jett, but with future riders 

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7/11/2025 12:38am

Nah

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motokiwi wrote:
They should make 1 track in the outdoors as identical as possible every single year - so we have a fairly objective measurement of the best...

They should make 1 track in the outdoors as identical as possible every single year - so we have a fairly objective measurement of the best laptime on the exact same track over the history of motocross.

 

It should be on a track with the least chance of rain.

 

It will give us a good approximation of Prime James Stewart vs Jett, but with future riders 

The conditions and track prep will never be exact. This wouldn’t really tell you anything.

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7/11/2025 12:55am Edited Date/Time 7/11/2025 12:59am
da300 wrote:

The conditions and track prep will never be exact. This wouldn’t really tell you anything.

Over the years there would be an envelope develop - of fastest to slowest. And it would slowly creep forward - at a rate we could measure for the first time.

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motokiwi wrote:
They should make 1 track in the outdoors as identical as possible every single year - so we have a fairly objective measurement of the best...

They should make 1 track in the outdoors as identical as possible every single year - so we have a fairly objective measurement of the best laptime on the exact same track over the history of motocross.

 

It should be on a track with the least chance of rain.

 

It will give us a good approximation of Prime James Stewart vs Jett, but with future riders 

da300 wrote:

The conditions and track prep will never be exact. This wouldn’t really tell you anything.

Great idea geezer, let’s make it concrete 

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motokiwi wrote:
They should make 1 track in the outdoors as identical as possible every single year - so we have a fairly objective measurement of the best...

They should make 1 track in the outdoors as identical as possible every single year - so we have a fairly objective measurement of the best laptime on the exact same track over the history of motocross.

 

It should be on a track with the least chance of rain.

 

It will give us a good approximation of Prime James Stewart vs Jett, but with future riders 

da300 wrote:

The conditions and track prep will never be exact. This wouldn’t really tell you anything.

jazza167 wrote:

Great idea geezer, let’s make it concrete 

I`ve seen face of jumps made of concrete in Europe. Don`t remember which track it was.

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I’ve thought about this idea for SX. Figure out the optimal layout for each stadium, not necessarily for comparison between years but to utilize each venues strengths and to minimize there weaknesses. 

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da300 wrote:

The conditions and track prep will never be exact. This wouldn’t really tell you anything.

jazza167 wrote:

Great idea geezer, let’s make it concrete 

VHM wrote:

I`ve seen face of jumps made of concrete in Europe. Don`t remember which track it was.

Mildenhall in the UK used to have them (and still might). Plenty of tracks in the Netherlands do too, but I don't recall their names.

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motokiwi wrote:
They should make 1 track in the outdoors as identical as possible every single year - so we have a fairly objective measurement of the best...

They should make 1 track in the outdoors as identical as possible every single year - so we have a fairly objective measurement of the best laptime on the exact same track over the history of motocross.

 

It should be on a track with the least chance of rain.

 

It will give us a good approximation of Prime James Stewart vs Jett, but with future riders 

what's to learn, that James was and is T F M O T P?

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The tracks are stale enough as is, they should be required to have a make over at a minimum of once every five years

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7/11/2025 5:36am

Who cares if Jett is faster than Bubba, this whole infatuation of who is/was the best is a waste of time, enjoy the memories of pastcriders, and appreciate what we are witnessing in real time. All the fast riders from  the 70s through today are awesome!

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Is this a real thought? Do we really think that JS was going as fast 20 years ago as the guys are now? 🤦‍♂️
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7/11/2025 6:16am Edited Date/Time 7/11/2025 6:17am

wait, isnt this the case most of the time? 🤨 Especially this year i dont remember any real track change compared to last year so far. But u cant be for real, its not even possible to compare laptimes on the same DAY cause of condition changes, let alone one year lmao

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7/11/2025 6:32am
Stoner was quicker than Gardner at Philip Island but, it depends what side of pit wall you measure the speed from.
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7/11/2025 6:44am Edited Date/Time 7/11/2025 6:46am
Benhameen wrote:
I’ve thought about this idea for SX. Figure out the optimal layout for each stadium, not necessarily for comparison between years but to utilize each venues...

I’ve thought about this idea for SX. Figure out the optimal layout for each stadium, not necessarily for comparison between years but to utilize each venues strengths and to minimize there weaknesses. 

What’s crazy is we see a few tracks each year that race really well and a lot that don’t. Not to stifle their creativity or anything but I don’t think it’s a crazy idea to rehash the tracks that raced well the following years when racing is the product. Most of them are standard football fields so you could even put one layout in a different venue so the fans don’t see the same track next year. 

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No, I like when they change something every year.  Nothing major, just something.  

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LungButter wrote:
Is this a real thought? Do we really think that JS was going as fast 20 years ago as the guys are now? 🤦‍♂️

Faster

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7/11/2025 7:25am
motokiwi wrote:
They should make 1 track in the outdoors as identical as possible every single year - so we have a fairly objective measurement of the best...

They should make 1 track in the outdoors as identical as possible every single year - so we have a fairly objective measurement of the best laptime on the exact same track over the history of motocross.

 

It should be on a track with the least chance of rain.

 

It will give us a good approximation of Prime James Stewart vs Jett, but with future riders 

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7/11/2025 7:43am
da300 wrote:

The conditions and track prep will never be exact. This wouldn’t really tell you anything.

motokiwi wrote:
Over the years there would be an envelope develop - of fastest to slowest. And it would slowly creep forward - at a rate we could...

Over the years there would be an envelope develop - of fastest to slowest. And it would slowly creep forward - at a rate we could measure for the first time.

You don't work with data at all do you? There are so many reasons why this wouldn't work and be inaccurate. 

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There is no constant in a uncontrolled environment.

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da300 wrote:

The conditions and track prep will never be exact. This wouldn’t really tell you anything.

motokiwi wrote:
Over the years there would be an envelope develop - of fastest to slowest. And it would slowly creep forward - at a rate we could...

Over the years there would be an envelope develop - of fastest to slowest. And it would slowly creep forward - at a rate we could measure for the first time.

JazzyJJ wrote:

You don't work with data at all do you? There are so many reasons why this wouldn't work and be inaccurate. 

It’s not a terrible thought, although almost certainly never going to happen.

Road racing circuits keep lap record data even though bikes, equipment and techniques change over time.

What is the issue with the data?

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