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BCEZ$niper
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Please don’t flame me guys. 

But I’ve been thinking. I see the pro circuit 250’s having some success this year, not a ton, but the bikes are fast and capable. And the riders on them vary in height, weight, etc. 

I know it’s a different team and displacement, etc. but what is holding back the monster kawi 450 program/bike? are the bikes that much different? 

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7/8/2025 10:47am
BCEZ$niper wrote:
Please don’t flame me guys. But I’ve been thinking. I see the pro circuit 250’s having some success this year, not a ton, but the bikes are...

Please don’t flame me guys. 

But I’ve been thinking. I see the pro circuit 250’s having some success this year, not a ton, but the bikes are fast and capable. And the riders on them vary in height, weight, etc. 

I know it’s a different team and displacement, etc. but what is holding back the monster kawi 450 program/bike? are the bikes that much different? 

anderson has a beer belly and prado cant keep his feet off the ground. i havent seen anything this moto season that makes me believe for even a second that the kx450 is the problem. 

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7/8/2025 11:05am Edited Date/Time 7/8/2025 11:09am

The top PC rider on a six man team this weekend finished 7th. Prado finished 6th.

Honestly, I don't see any significant successes for PC that aren't just mathematically accountable by throwing more team riders at the field than factory Kawi.

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7/8/2025 11:06am

What's holding back the 450 side of the program? The riders.

 

Next question 

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7/8/2025 11:29am

"Beer belly" LMAO.

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7/8/2025 11:35am
motosmith wrote:

"Beer belly" LMAO.

That might be the least of JA's issues.

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motosmith wrote:

"Beer belly" LMAO.

There's a photo making its rounds that isn't the most flattering. Grinning

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7/8/2025 1:05pm

My observation on Prado is that as a GP rider, he isn't used to the super-sprint at the beginning of the moto that happens in America. GP riders don't seem to do this as much. Not sure what happened last week when he was out in the lead and why he couldn't hold it. 

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motosmith wrote:

"Beer belly" LMAO.

kawasa84 wrote:

That might be the least of JA's issues.

See above photo…..

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7/8/2025 1:21pm
motosmith wrote:

"Beer belly" LMAO.

aeffertz wrote:
There's a photo making its rounds that isn't the most flattering. :lol:

There's a photo making its rounds that isn't the most flattering. Grinning

motoonline 1751976731 3672169440897555802 55965014.jpg?VersionId=q3ng6fy 2L1Cy6H3qfMKs51w5nz0V o

Whoa!!

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The PC team just needs to bring back the black fender and they’ll start winning championships again. Haven’t won one since the switch to green. 

As for the 450 team.. I’d chalk it up to Anderson being a little older and some sort of illness and Prado being new to the series. 

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Wisco322 wrote:
The PC team just needs to bring back the black fender and they’ll start winning championships again. Haven’t won one since the switch to green. As for...

The PC team just needs to bring back the black fender and they’ll start winning championships again. Haven’t won one since the switch to green. 

As for the 450 team.. I’d chalk it up to Anderson being a little older and some sort of illness and Prado being new to the series. 

You do realize Kitchen was in position to win the championship before JuJu slowed him down and RJ cleaning him out. 

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7/8/2025 2:28pm

Just my opinion. Anyone thinking the current KX450 has issues will likely be eating their hat when Chase starts putting it in the top 3 immediately (assuming he is in fact switching). 

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7/8/2025 2:31pm
Wisco322 wrote:
The PC team just needs to bring back the black fender and they’ll start winning championships again. Haven’t won one since the switch to green. As for...

The PC team just needs to bring back the black fender and they’ll start winning championships again. Haven’t won one since the switch to green. 

As for the 450 team.. I’d chalk it up to Anderson being a little older and some sort of illness and Prado being new to the series. 

Mit12 wrote:

You do realize Kitchen was in position to win the championship before JuJu slowed him down and RJ cleaning him out. 

*Hammaker. Kitchen crashed hard at Daytona SX

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BCEZ$niper wrote:
Please don’t flame me guys. But I’ve been thinking. I see the pro circuit 250’s having some success this year, not a ton, but the bikes are...

Please don’t flame me guys. 

But I’ve been thinking. I see the pro circuit 250’s having some success this year, not a ton, but the bikes are fast and capable. And the riders on them vary in height, weight, etc. 

I know it’s a different team and displacement, etc. but what is holding back the monster kawi 450 program/bike? are the bikes that much different? 

EAmato88 wrote:
anderson has a beer belly and prado cant keep his feet off the ground. i havent seen anything this moto season that makes me believe for...

anderson has a beer belly and prado cant keep his feet off the ground. i havent seen anything this moto season that makes me believe for even a second that the kx450 is the problem. 

Haha - 'Anderson has a beer belly'. 

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7/8/2025 2:47pm Edited Date/Time 7/8/2025 2:48pm
motosmith wrote:

"Beer belly" LMAO.

aeffertz wrote:
There's a photo making its rounds that isn't the most flattering. :lol:

There's a photo making its rounds that isn't the most flattering. Grinning

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Man, that's brutal. El Hombre Gordo. 

I also don't understand the teams with this stuff. Isn't it part of the rider's contracts that they keep themselves in the shape required for elite competition? If I were a team manager I'd bench any rider that showed up like that. Webb is the major offender in this regard, but at least this season he showed up in shape. 

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7/8/2025 4:58pm
BCEZ$niper wrote:
Please don’t flame me guys. But I’ve been thinking. I see the pro circuit 250’s having some success this year, not a ton, but the bikes are...

Please don’t flame me guys. 

But I’ve been thinking. I see the pro circuit 250’s having some success this year, not a ton, but the bikes are fast and capable. And the riders on them vary in height, weight, etc. 

I know it’s a different team and displacement, etc. but what is holding back the monster kawi 450 program/bike? are the bikes that much different? 

It's mostly rider.  

But, I always assumed that just because a manufacturer figured out a way to dial in a 250 motor (relative to the competition), that doesn't mean the same solutions work on a 450 motor.  And vice-versa.  

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7/8/2025 5:03pm
motosmith wrote:

"Beer belly" LMAO.

aeffertz wrote:
There's a photo making its rounds that isn't the most flattering. :lol:

There's a photo making its rounds that isn't the most flattering. Grinning

motoonline 1751976731 3672169440897555802 55965014.jpg?VersionId=q3ng6fy 2L1Cy6H3qfMKs51w5nz0V o

Thats Marty Tripes!

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7/8/2025 5:39pm

Doesnt the Kawi 450 and 250 share the same frame? Apart from ktm what other brands do this? There must be some tradeoffs if true

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7/8/2025 5:47pm
BCEZ$niper wrote:
Please don’t flame me guys. But I’ve been thinking. I see the pro circuit 250’s having some success this year, not a ton, but the bikes are...

Please don’t flame me guys. 

But I’ve been thinking. I see the pro circuit 250’s having some success this year, not a ton, but the bikes are fast and capable. And the riders on them vary in height, weight, etc. 

I know it’s a different team and displacement, etc. but what is holding back the monster kawi 450 program/bike? are the bikes that much different? 

EAmato88 wrote:
anderson has a beer belly and prado cant keep his feet off the ground. i havent seen anything this moto season that makes me believe for...

anderson has a beer belly and prado cant keep his feet off the ground. i havent seen anything this moto season that makes me believe for even a second that the kx450 is the problem. 

I sure am glad none of us that hang out on Vital have beer belly’s……..I doubt most of us even drink!

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7/8/2025 5:49pm

Difference is, Mitch knows how to run a team, Kawi doesn’t.

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7/8/2025 6:25pm
BCEZ$niper wrote:
Please don’t flame me guys. But I’ve been thinking. I see the pro circuit 250’s having some success this year, not a ton, but the bikes are...

Please don’t flame me guys. 

But I’ve been thinking. I see the pro circuit 250’s having some success this year, not a ton, but the bikes are fast and capable. And the riders on them vary in height, weight, etc. 

I know it’s a different team and displacement, etc. but what is holding back the monster kawi 450 program/bike? are the bikes that much different? 

EAmato88 wrote:
anderson has a beer belly and prado cant keep his feet off the ground. i havent seen anything this moto season that makes me believe for...

anderson has a beer belly and prado cant keep his feet off the ground. i havent seen anything this moto season that makes me believe for even a second that the kx450 is the problem. 

wwdiii wrote:

I sure am glad none of us that hang out on Vital have beer belly’s……..I doubt most of us even drink!

Copied that!

I saw that picture and thought, hell, mine must not be that bad if he can do what he does with his. Sadly, I have many more miles than he does. 

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Wisco322 wrote:
The PC team just needs to bring back the black fender and they’ll start winning championships again. Haven’t won one since the switch to green. As for...

The PC team just needs to bring back the black fender and they’ll start winning championships again. Haven’t won one since the switch to green. 

As for the 450 team.. I’d chalk it up to Anderson being a little older and some sort of illness and Prado being new to the series. 

Mit12 wrote:

You do realize Kitchen was in position to win the championship before JuJu slowed him down and RJ cleaning him out. 

Seth surely was but he didn’t win the championship… green rear fender… which proves my point. 

The PC curse is the green rear fender. 

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7/9/2025 5:32pm
EAmato88 wrote:
anderson has a beer belly and prado cant keep his feet off the ground. i havent seen anything this moto season that makes me believe for...

anderson has a beer belly and prado cant keep his feet off the ground. i havent seen anything this moto season that makes me believe for even a second that the kx450 is the problem. 

wwdiii wrote:

I sure am glad none of us that hang out on Vital have beer belly’s……..I doubt most of us even drink!

SEEMEFIRST wrote:
Copied that!I saw that picture and thought, hell, mine must not be that bad if he can do what he does with his. Sadly, I have...

Copied that!

I saw that picture and thought, hell, mine must not be that bad if he can do what he does with his. Sadly, I have many more miles than he does. 

Seeme, you should be stoked about all those extra miles you have over JA21. And maybe JA is just trying to fit in with the vet crowd that he will be dicing with soon.  😜

7/9/2025 7:13pm
motosmith wrote:

"Beer belly" LMAO.

aeffertz wrote:
There's a photo making its rounds that isn't the most flattering. :lol:

There's a photo making its rounds that isn't the most flattering. Grinning

motoonline 1751976731 3672169440897555802 55965014.jpg?VersionId=q3ng6fy 2L1Cy6H3qfMKs51w5nz0V o

Supercross fit, not motocross fit.

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Anderson isn’t having fun and Prado isn’t used to riding track that are this fast for 35 minute motos.


Euro tracks are beat, rough and slower!


He has to get used to going that fast, Anderson needs his crew back so he can start having fun again

7/9/2025 9:06pm
Wisco322 wrote:

Seth surely was but he didn’t win the championship… green rear fender… which proves my point. 

The PC curse is the green rear fender. 

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Wisco322 wrote:

Seth surely was but he didn’t win the championship… green rear fender… which proves my point. 

The PC curse is the green rear fender. 

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Herr Lich wrote:
Man, that's brutal. El Hombre Gordo. I also don't understand the teams with this stuff. Isn't it part of the rider's contracts that they keep themselves in...

Man, that's brutal. El Hombre Gordo. 

I also don't understand the teams with this stuff. Isn't it part of the rider's contracts that they keep themselves in the shape required for elite competition? If I were a team manager I'd bench any rider that showed up like that. Webb is the major offender in this regard, but at least this season he showed up in shape. 

3x Supercross champ. 

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7/10/2025 7:07am
motosmith wrote:

"Beer belly" LMAO.

aeffertz wrote:
There's a photo making its rounds that isn't the most flattering. :lol:

There's a photo making its rounds that isn't the most flattering. Grinning

motoonline 1751976731 3672169440897555802 55965014.jpg?VersionId=q3ng6fy 2L1Cy6H3qfMKs51w5nz0V o

*Team Fried Chicken.

(Sorry Ando! Had to!)

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7/10/2025 7:59am Edited Date/Time 7/10/2025 8:49am
Wisco322 wrote:

Seth surely was but he didn’t win the championship… green rear fender… which proves my point. 

The PC curse is the green rear fender. 

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Wisco322 wrote:
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That's the black-fendered SX bike that choked away the championship -- in fact, pictured on the very day it torpedoed the title. 

The outdoor bike that won it all ran a green fender all season.

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