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Dave v3.0 wrote:
As I said, I'm not a fan of either side.  That seems to keep getting lost in everyone's emotional responses.Neither outcome is a good solution.  The...

As I said, I'm not a fan of either side.  That seems to keep getting lost in everyone's emotional responses.

Neither outcome is a good solution.  The greenies don't want to sell the land...but they also don't want anyone to have access to it.  Private ownership will have the same result.  

The time to have had this discussion was long ago.  This is a train that has been barreling down the tracks for years...which is my real point.  And it's hard to redirect a train in a short period of time.  If there were a different administration in Washington right now, we'd just have a different version of the same problem.  See the just rescinded ban on gas vehicles in California by 2035 for an example.  Neither side is listening.  Guess who is one of the biggest supporters of the greenies?  It's the oil industry.  Wonder why we can't win?

What position has the AMA taken on this?  The industry?  Who's lobbying for us?  Why were the links posted from a bicycle group and not a motorcycle group?  See the recurring theme there?

LungButter wrote:

The AMA?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Now that's a good one, you expect the AMA to actually do something that helps us keep and maintain land to ride on?

 

Hell no...but people around here still promote it and buy memberships.  We're our own worst enemies.  And THAT has been my point all along.

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Dave v3.0 wrote:
You mean the land that the BLM has mis-managed since the 60's.  And they've shoe horned folks into tiny slices of millions of acres.  That public...

You mean the land that the BLM has mis-managed since the 60's.  And they've shoe horned folks into tiny slices of millions of acres.  That public land?  

Is Barstow to Vegas still a thing?  Desert racing? Trail riding in National Forests on trails developed by local clubs over decades?

Keep voting for the folks supported by all the greenies.  It's the ultimate FAFO.

That's easy to say from Alabama!  

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Dave v3.0 wrote:

Hell no...but people around here still promote it and buy memberships.  We're our own worst enemies.  And THAT has been my point all along.

So what should we do now?  Just let the billionaires buy all the land?

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I absolutely despise the greenie groups (SUWA, Sierra Club, Wilderness Society, etc. etc.) I hate them, I hate their back handed, "end justifies the means", half truth, exaggerated truth, and even lies to progress their agenda (I can't stand them)...and everyone knows they support the Liberals in government, and I don't care for liberal politics AT ALL either...and we all know that the bureaucrats running the forest service and BLM aren't overly friendly to OHV's (dirt bikes included), and the decisions they've made have closed many of my favorite desert trails in Southeastern Utah (and that pisses me off...and its not ending either)...but the LAST thing I want is for public land to be sold...I can't support this at all...no way!

It's a hot topic here in Utah...with many wanting the state government to have control of all the federal land here...and I oppose that as loudly as possible.  At least with the federal government I felt the chances of the land being sold would be virtually zero...then this?  No thanks!

It does look like they would only sell 3 million acres...spread across the west, so most of us would likely never notice it anyway...but its a needle we can't allow to be moved...there needs to be a hard line drawn in the sand in opposition to selling ANY public land.  I'll take my chances with liberal, anti-OHV, bureaucrats running the forest service and BLM over some billionaire putting up a fence...

Speak up folks!  

With that said...don't throw your support or money behind any of the radical greenie groups who are also opposing this...they are NOT our friend either, they hate us...and are working day and night to get dirt bikes banned from all federal public land.  

 

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When was the last time...or ever...an AMA rep posted anything on this site regarding the sport, land use or anything rules related? I mean, VMX is probably THE website for the sport of SX and MX. And yet...not a fkng peep from this worthless, POS organization that I can ever remember. You'd think they'd want to start at the core level and this site is it. If anyone is waiting for the AMA to ever do one thing good for this sport, you're wasting your time. 

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Dave v3.0 wrote:

Hell no...but people around here still promote it and buy memberships.  We're our own worst enemies.  And THAT has been my point all along.

Oh, my apologies for not knowing that was your point all along. 

I thought your point was we already can't ride on those lands, but then you ignored me when I gave specific examples of riding on that land.

So what is your solution?  Just say "fuck it" and sit back while they sell it off so then we can be locked out?

 

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Titan1 wrote:
I absolutely despise the greenie groups (SUWA, Sierra Club, Wilderness Society, etc. etc.) I hate them, I hate their back handed, "end justifies the means", half...

I absolutely despise the greenie groups (SUWA, Sierra Club, Wilderness Society, etc. etc.) I hate them, I hate their back handed, "end justifies the means", half truth, exaggerated truth, and even lies to progress their agenda (I can't stand them)...and everyone knows they support the Liberals in government, and I don't care for liberal politics AT ALL either...and we all know that the bureaucrats running the forest service and BLM aren't overly friendly to OHV's (dirt bikes included), and the decisions they've made have closed many of my favorite desert trails in Southeastern Utah (and that pisses me off...and its not ending either)...but the LAST thing I want is for public land to be sold...I can't support this at all...no way!

It's a hot topic here in Utah...with many wanting the state government to have control of all the federal land here...and I oppose that as loudly as possible.  At least with the federal government I felt the chances of the land being sold would be virtually zero...then this?  No thanks!

It does look like they would only sell 3 million acres...spread across the west, so most of us would likely never notice it anyway...but its a needle we can't allow to be moved...there needs to be a hard line drawn in the sand in opposition to selling ANY public land.  I'll take my chances with liberal, anti-OHV, bureaucrats running the forest service and BLM over some billionaire putting up a fence...

Speak up folks!  

With that said...don't throw your support or money behind any of the radical greenie groups who are also opposing this...they are NOT our friend either, they hate us...and are working day and night to get dirt bikes banned from all federal public land.  

 

Bro, look up the maps of what they want to sell.  It would be noticed, so much prime riding ground in lots of States would be gone.

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Titan1 wrote:
I absolutely despise the greenie groups (SUWA, Sierra Club, Wilderness Society, etc. etc.) I hate them, I hate their back handed, "end justifies the means", half...

I absolutely despise the greenie groups (SUWA, Sierra Club, Wilderness Society, etc. etc.) I hate them, I hate their back handed, "end justifies the means", half truth, exaggerated truth, and even lies to progress their agenda (I can't stand them)...and everyone knows they support the Liberals in government, and I don't care for liberal politics AT ALL either...and we all know that the bureaucrats running the forest service and BLM aren't overly friendly to OHV's (dirt bikes included), and the decisions they've made have closed many of my favorite desert trails in Southeastern Utah (and that pisses me off...and its not ending either)...but the LAST thing I want is for public land to be sold...I can't support this at all...no way!

It's a hot topic here in Utah...with many wanting the state government to have control of all the federal land here...and I oppose that as loudly as possible.  At least with the federal government I felt the chances of the land being sold would be virtually zero...then this?  No thanks!

It does look like they would only sell 3 million acres...spread across the west, so most of us would likely never notice it anyway...but its a needle we can't allow to be moved...there needs to be a hard line drawn in the sand in opposition to selling ANY public land.  I'll take my chances with liberal, anti-OHV, bureaucrats running the forest service and BLM over some billionaire putting up a fence...

Speak up folks!  

With that said...don't throw your support or money behind any of the radical greenie groups who are also opposing this...they are NOT our friend either, they hate us...and are working day and night to get dirt bikes banned from all federal public land.  

 

LungButter wrote:
Bro, look up the maps of what they want to sell.  It would be noticed, so much prime riding ground in lots of States would be...

Bro, look up the maps of what they want to sell.  It would be noticed, so much prime riding ground in lots of States would be gone.

That’s what they are proposing could be for sale. (A lot more then 3 million acres). Not what will be sold. But that’s not really the point you can’t plug that leak once it’s started. 

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Dave v3.0 wrote:
You lost because you couldn't have a conversation without getting personal.  If you really are curious, I'm not a fan of either side of our government...

You lost because you couldn't have a conversation without getting personal.  

If you really are curious, I'm not a fan of either side of our government.  When it comes to land issues I lean way more towards a Libertarian view of things where less government is ALWAYS better.  We lost that battle in the 60's and that was my point.  Unfortunately, in the grand scheme of things, this is a small issue to most folks because they are more concerned with jobs, providing for their families, and improving their day to day lives.

I'd be very curious to know how many of you that are against selling off the land own a Honda product. For the past 20 years, they have been one of the biggest corporate supporters of the greenies who want to shut down your access to this land, regardless of who owns it.  Everyone votes with their wallet...until they don't.

LungButter wrote:
So your stance is that rather than having to deal with some environmental issues to keep riding our dirt bikes on the land, we'd be better...

So your stance is that rather than having to deal with some environmental issues to keep riding our dirt bikes on the land, we'd be better off selling it to billionaires so we can just be permanently locked out?

Doesn't make sense to me, but to each their own.

davis224 wrote:
If it stays public, policy and use can change. If it's sold, it's gone forever. Not sure how anybody who likes to do things outside can...

If it stays public, policy and use can change. If it's sold, it's gone forever. Not sure how anybody who likes to do things outside can be in favor of this. Less area for public use, the same amount of people who want to use public land will be using what is left, and that will just cause a whole bigger set of issues. If you feel the "greenies" want to keep you from using the land we have, what do you think will happen if we all have less land to share?

Greenies wanting to ban OHV's from public land isn't a "feeling"...its a fact.  They are aggressively, and trail closure by trail closure, doing that...it's not even up for debate.  

They want to turn public land into a museum...look but don't touch...pay to enter...with government employees having complete control over it.  They aren't our friends and we shouldn't support them at all.  

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For those who do not know, this also a huge issue in the hunting community.

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Dave v3.0 wrote:
You mean the land that the BLM has mis-managed since the 60's.  And they've shoe horned folks into tiny slices of millions of acres.  That public...

You mean the land that the BLM has mis-managed since the 60's.  And they've shoe horned folks into tiny slices of millions of acres.  That public land?  

Is Barstow to Vegas still a thing?  Desert racing? Trail riding in National Forests on trails developed by local clubs over decades?

Keep voting for the folks supported by all the greenies.  It's the ultimate FAFO.

disbanded wrote:

That's easy to say from Alabama!  

I've watched the National Forest Service close down almost all the areas around Tallahassee over the past 45 years.  My club at one time had enough land available to run a National Enduro each October.  Now there's not enough land available to run a hare scramble.  All it takes is one rogue Park Ranger and a salamander to kill off 30 years of trail cutting and cooperation.  But that land is freely available to bird watch, hike, or hunt on using the same trails we laid out...
So yeah, it's easy to say from Alabama.

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Dave v3.0 wrote:
You mean the land that the BLM has mis-managed since the 60's.  And they've shoe horned folks into tiny slices of millions of acres.  That public...

You mean the land that the BLM has mis-managed since the 60's.  And they've shoe horned folks into tiny slices of millions of acres.  That public land?  

Is Barstow to Vegas still a thing?  Desert racing? Trail riding in National Forests on trails developed by local clubs over decades?

Keep voting for the folks supported by all the greenies.  It's the ultimate FAFO.

I don’t know, man. I grew up with public use BLM land easily accessible and it was awesome, now I live in a large state that has a teeny, tiny bit of it availble and that sucks!

We have stupid stuff here like commercial hunting ranches where you basically order what you want to kill off of a menu, then go sit in a hunting blind and wait for them to bait the kill zone and release the animal you bought so you can shoot it. 
Want to ride on state owned public land? If you’re allowed to you’ll be paying a  fee ( roughly the same as you’d pay at a track day ) every time, and they’ll still want you to buy a damned OHV sticker every year. 
 

Pay to play in the form of buying land for recreation can be prohibitively expensive, too. 


IMHO cheering for the reduction of public use BLM land is a bad idea for anyone to want, unless they’re trying to personally profit from it. 

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LungButter wrote:
So your stance is that rather than having to deal with some environmental issues to keep riding our dirt bikes on the land, we'd be better...

So your stance is that rather than having to deal with some environmental issues to keep riding our dirt bikes on the land, we'd be better off selling it to billionaires so we can just be permanently locked out?

Doesn't make sense to me, but to each their own.

davis224 wrote:
If it stays public, policy and use can change. If it's sold, it's gone forever. Not sure how anybody who likes to do things outside can...

If it stays public, policy and use can change. If it's sold, it's gone forever. Not sure how anybody who likes to do things outside can be in favor of this. Less area for public use, the same amount of people who want to use public land will be using what is left, and that will just cause a whole bigger set of issues. If you feel the "greenies" want to keep you from using the land we have, what do you think will happen if we all have less land to share?

Titan1 wrote:
Greenies wanting to ban OHV's from public land isn't a "feeling"...its a fact.  They are aggressively, and trail closure by trail closure, doing that...it's not even...

Greenies wanting to ban OHV's from public land isn't a "feeling"...its a fact.  They are aggressively, and trail closure by trail closure, doing that...it's not even up for debate.  

They want to turn public land into a museum...look but don't touch...pay to enter...with government employees having complete control over it.  They aren't our friends and we shouldn't support them at all.  

Hand up because I’m ignorant. 

What has been lost in Utah to conservation?

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Dave v3.0 wrote:

Hell no...but people around here still promote it and buy memberships.  We're our own worst enemies.  And THAT has been my point all along.

LungButter wrote:
Oh, my apologies for not knowing that was your point all along. I thought your point was we already can't ride on those lands, but then you...

Oh, my apologies for not knowing that was your point all along. 

I thought your point was we already can't ride on those lands, but then you ignored me when I gave specific examples of riding on that land.

So what is your solution?  Just say "fuck it" and sit back while they sell it off so then we can be locked out?

 

First, I'm with you...I oppose this...but they are looking to sell like .75% of all public land...if your favorite trail was closed, you'd feel lit...but those maps are making it look like all of that land will be up for sale or something and that just isn't the case. 

We need to make sure the government knows they can't sell ANY land though...its not acceptible. 

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Dave v3.0 wrote:

Hell no...but people around here still promote it and buy memberships.  We're our own worst enemies.  And THAT has been my point all along.

LungButter wrote:
Oh, my apologies for not knowing that was your point all along. I thought your point was we already can't ride on those lands, but then you...

Oh, my apologies for not knowing that was your point all along. 

I thought your point was we already can't ride on those lands, but then you ignored me when I gave specific examples of riding on that land.

So what is your solution?  Just say "fuck it" and sit back while they sell it off so then we can be locked out?

 

Until there is a group, a large group, much larger than just OHV users, that is all pulling in one direction we'll continue to be ignored.  We can be a pain in their ass, but at the end of the day...the lobbyists always win because they outspend the "little people".  And this fight is all centered around developers who want that land.

Unfortunately, we need fundamental changes in our government to actually effect changes from the grass roots.  We need to term limit the congress critters so they aren't always running for election.  And we need that from the most basic local city elections all the way to the Senate.  Too many career politicians have centralized their power bases.  And both sides try to keep us divided so they can easily conquer us.

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davis224 wrote:
If it stays public, policy and use can change. If it's sold, it's gone forever. Not sure how anybody who likes to do things outside can...

If it stays public, policy and use can change. If it's sold, it's gone forever. Not sure how anybody who likes to do things outside can be in favor of this. Less area for public use, the same amount of people who want to use public land will be using what is left, and that will just cause a whole bigger set of issues. If you feel the "greenies" want to keep you from using the land we have, what do you think will happen if we all have less land to share?

Titan1 wrote:
Greenies wanting to ban OHV's from public land isn't a "feeling"...its a fact.  They are aggressively, and trail closure by trail closure, doing that...it's not even...

Greenies wanting to ban OHV's from public land isn't a "feeling"...its a fact.  They are aggressively, and trail closure by trail closure, doing that...it's not even up for debate.  

They want to turn public land into a museum...look but don't touch...pay to enter...with government employees having complete control over it.  They aren't our friends and we shouldn't support them at all.  

soggy wrote:

Hand up because I’m ignorant. 

What has been lost in Utah to conservation?

Seriously? Just off the top of my head...

December 2024, 600 miles of roads closed, and 140 miles of OHV trails close

Jan 2025 Henry Mountains/Fremont Gorge 600 miles closed

Sept 2023: Labyrinth Rims/Gemini Bridges 300 miles of trails closed 100 miles with additional restrictions....Moab parts of Day Canyon Point, Deadman Point Overlooks, Hell Roaring Canyon, Hey Joe Canyon, Mashed Potatoes, Ten Mile Canyon, Mineral Canyon, Hidden Canyon, 7‑Up, and several Deadman Point overlooks were closed. 

July 2024 Mineral Basin road (the only access to Cummings parkway OHV trail) permanently closed (the trail is still "open" but access to it was closed effectively closing the trail

I could go on...there has been A LOT!

The SUWA is an enemy of OHV users and dirt bikes...no doubt about that. 

 

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Dave v3.0 wrote:
You mean the land that the BLM has mis-managed since the 60's.  And they've shoe horned folks into tiny slices of millions of acres.  That public...

You mean the land that the BLM has mis-managed since the 60's.  And they've shoe horned folks into tiny slices of millions of acres.  That public land?  

Is Barstow to Vegas still a thing?  Desert racing? Trail riding in National Forests on trails developed by local clubs over decades?

Keep voting for the folks supported by all the greenies.  It's the ultimate FAFO.

seth505 wrote:

You dropped out of 2nd grade, didn't you?

Dave v3.0 wrote:
You lost because you couldn't have a conversation without getting personal.  If you really are curious, I'm not a fan of either side of our government...

You lost because you couldn't have a conversation without getting personal.  

If you really are curious, I'm not a fan of either side of our government.  When it comes to land issues I lean way more towards a Libertarian view of things where less government is ALWAYS better.  We lost that battle in the 60's and that was my point.  Unfortunately, in the grand scheme of things, this is a small issue to most folks because they are more concerned with jobs, providing for their families, and improving their day to day lives.

I'd be very curious to know how many of you that are against selling off the land own a Honda product. For the past 20 years, they have been one of the biggest corporate supporters of the greenies who want to shut down your access to this land, regardless of who owns it.  Everyone votes with their wallet...until they don't.

Sorry for typing aggressively on a message board. It doesn't mean I lost or that your post makes any sense. This is not a small issue at all and if you're concerned for improving your day to day life and the life of those after you, this would be a valid concern.  If you're curious, I don't have a Honda.

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If they shut the land everyone should just keep riding it. We had areas blocked off by the greenies. What we did was cause more damage to the bush by going around there "road blocks" and continued riding the same tracks. 

It's amazing what rules people choose to obey and what they rebel against.

 

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The places where I ride exclusively during the summer are on the map to be sold.

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For starters, I AM against the selling of public lands. I have signed the appropriate petitions and stand firmly in defense of open access, stewardship, and sacred trust.

In the spirit of discernment, I Am of the viewpoint that the widely circulated “Big Beautiful Bill” referenced in grassroots backlash against public land sell-offs is not the same as the One Big Beautiful Bill Act referenced by President Trump in 2024–2025.

I recognize this as a case of narrative hijack — a strategy used to sow confusion and create division using Trump-coded language.

As a sovereign observer and participant in the awakening process, I commit to holding the frequency of clarity, not reaction. My allegiance is to truth, not to parties, personas, or programming.

Two Distinct “Big Beautiful Bills”

1. Trump’s “One Big Beautiful Bill Act”

Origin: Referenced recently by President Trump (2024–2025 rallies and media)

Official Name: One Big Beautiful Bill Act

Contents:

Permanency of 2017 Trump-era tax cuts

Medicaid work requirements

Immigration policy (possibly tied to asylum reform)

Housing and university endowment tax changes

Intent: Large-scale legislative consolidation of key Republican/conservative policy goals

This is a broad, sweeping domestic reform package, with no direct connection to public land sell-offs.

 

2. The Senate’s 2025 Appropriations Land Sell-Off

Origin: Authored and pushed quietly within the Senate spending/appropriations cycle

Contents:

Authorization to sell up to 3.3 million acres of federal land

Primarily BLM-controlled, western states

Framed as budget balancing but spearheaded by Sen. Mike Lee

Nickname in Public Discourse: “Big Beautiful Bill” — used informally, likely mocking Trump-style phrasing

This version is being circulated by grassroots users (like on Vital MX) or activist groups — NOT by Trump himself.

 

So Is It Plagiarism or Hijack?

More likely: Narrative hijack or meme-weaponization. The phrase “Big Beautiful ___” is Trump-coded language, and critics may be intentionally attaching it to the land sell-off as a signal to his base that:

“This is not your guy’s bill — but it’s being sold like one.”

So yes — it’s a different bill, and using the same label is misleading, whether accidental or strategic. This kind of memetic language hijacking is increasingly common in the hybrid political-info landscape.

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Our public land is looking at a briar patch that we are not allowed on to so no one of goes

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In Arizona there are 2 MX tracks left.  Both are on private property and that is the only reason they are still left.  All the previous tracks that were on so-called public land were closed specifically because of that reason.   The government refused to renew leases for the tracks and kicked them off.  So, in Arizona, "public land", by and large, means "you aint allowed to ride dirt bikes on it".    I am surrounded by endless acres of "public land" and I can't ride any of it.

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One of the biggest things Americans take for granted is public land.

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We have a lot of public land we just cannot use any of it with a motorized vehicle 

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I don't ride much off-road here in Utah, but some of my favorite elk and deer hunting spots are on this map! Mike Lee needs to freaking GO! Hell, some of the recreational land I can see from my house is on this map. Once it's gone, it's gone, and the money won't curb the government's spending problem.

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In Arizona there are 2 MX tracks left.  Both are on private property and that is the only reason they are still left.  All the previous...

In Arizona there are 2 MX tracks left.  Both are on private property and that is the only reason they are still left.  All the previous tracks that were on so-called public land were closed specifically because of that reason.   The government refused to renew leases for the tracks and kicked them off.  So, in Arizona, "public land", by and large, means "you aint allowed to ride dirt bikes on it".    I am surrounded by endless acres of "public land" and I can't ride any of it.

I've always been curious why California has so much more open desert riding than Arizona.  


So I asked ChatGPT.  I don't know how accurate this is, but here's their answer:

Great question — it does seem counterintuitive that California, with all its regulations, has more “open” OHV areas than Arizona. Here's why:

1. California Invested Early in OHV Recreation
In 1971, California created the Off-Highway Motor Vehicle Recreation (OHMVR) Division, a state-funded program to manage and expand OHV areas.

They set aside millions of dollars in gas-tax revenue and green sticker fees to buy land, build trails, and create open areas specifically for OHV use.

💡 Result: California now has 9 large State Vehicular Recreation Areas (SVRAs) like Glamis, Johnson Valley, and Carnegie — some of the biggest legal OHV areas in the U.S.

2. More BLM “Open” Areas Were Designated Early On
During federal land-use planning in the 1980s–90s, California BLM districts were quicker to designate “open” riding areas under the old WEMO (West Mojave) and CDCA (California Desert Conservation Area) plans.

This included massive areas like Ocotillo Wells, Dumont Dunes, and Stoddard Valley, which are open for unrestricted riding (cross-country travel allowed).

In contrast, Arizona BLM focused more on route-based travel management, meaning you can ride only on marked trails.

3. Arizona Has More Sensitive Tribal and State Trust Land
28% of Arizona is State Trust land (compared to just 2% in CA).

Tribal reservations cover over a quarter of the state and are not open to the public.

This limits the ability to create large OHV areas — there’s just less available land for the state or BLM to open up freely.

4. California Has More Dune and Desert Terrain That’s OHV-Friendly
Glamis, Dumont, Rasor, and Imperial Sand Dunes are natural playgrounds for off-road use, with few sensitive species (except where fenced).

Arizona has similar landscapes, but more are designated as wilderness, protected habitat, or surrounded by private land or restricted State Trust land.

5. Cultural and Political Momentum
California OHV groups have been better organized and funded historically.

There’s been more pressure on land managers to preserve riding opportunities, especially in southern California where off-road culture is huge.

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The places where I ride exclusively during the summer are on the map to be sold.

As I said earlier, I hate these radical greenie groups because of their half truths, exaggerated consequences, and outright lies they use to progress their agenda….and this map is a perfect example of those same disingenuous tactics…

Since the 3.3 Million acres potentially up for sale, hasn’t been identified, these groups are putting up a headline like “Big beautiful bill puts public land up for sale”…anda “click this link to see a map of land potentially up for sale”…and then you have to pay close attention and read the entire article in order to understand all land on said map won’t be sold…just .5%-.75% of public land (3.3 million acres)…

But the liars know people will read the headline, look at the map, get pissed hate Trump and give them money, and that is all they really want anyway…

So, just to clarify, that is a map of all public land in America…virtually none of it will be sold (.5%-.75% of it)…


Still oppose this, but it’s a perfect example of the disingenuous tactics of the radical greenie groups…

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Titan1 wrote:
As I said earlier, I hate these radical greenie groups because of their half truths, exaggerated consequences, and outright lies they use to progress their agenda….and...

As I said earlier, I hate these radical greenie groups because of their half truths, exaggerated consequences, and outright lies they use to progress their agenda….and this map is a perfect example of those same disingenuous tactics…

Since the 3.3 Million acres potentially up for sale, hasn’t been identified, these groups are putting up a headline like “Big beautiful bill puts public land up for sale”…anda “click this link to see a map of land potentially up for sale”…and then you have to pay close attention and read the entire article in order to understand all land on said map won’t be sold…just .5%-.75% of public land (3.3 million acres)…

But the liars know people will read the headline, look at the map, get pissed hate Trump and give them money, and that is all they really want anyway…

So, just to clarify, that is a map of all public land in America…virtually none of it will be sold (.5%-.75% of it)…


Still oppose this, but it’s a perfect example of the disingenuous tactics of the radical greenie groups…

What are the lies? 

 

The highlighted areas on the map are the areas eligible for sale, not a map of all publicly owned land    I can tell by drilling down to the OHV areas I am familiar with and see that only chunks are highlighted. 

I'd love to know what method way used to determine which parcels were eligible. 

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I'd need a more detailed map but it sure looks like a (big?) chunk of the Juniper dunes might get sold off?Also, for Tri-City types who...

I'd need a more detailed map but it sure looks like a (big?) chunk of the Juniper dunes might get sold off?

Also, for Tri-City types who like to hike McBee grade, that looks to be for sale too.

https://wilderness.maps.arcgis.com/apps/instant/basic/index.html?appid=821970f0212d46d7aa854718aac42310

 

Here you go:

https://www.outdooralliance.org/blog/2025/6/16/33millionacres-publicland-selloffs-map 

This is a more detailed map of what is potentially getting put up for sale. 

That looks like a good chunk of the Juniper dunes to me. And scrolling around it looks like they would want to sell off access to...

That looks like a good chunk of the Juniper dunes to me. And scrolling around it looks like they would want to sell off access to Saddle mountain area too south of Royal city. 

We all need to learn about the term "corner crossing" and the huge debate about being able to jump across the checkerboard of private/public land to access one piece of public land to another. 

Corner crossing is a HUGE deal. Essentially private landowners claim you are trespassing when you "corner cross". Look it up.  

Yeah, it's just a way for the super rich to make public land inaccessible and treat it like it's their own.

Govt isn't great but public ownership of all this land is guaranteed better than the big corps and billionaires owning it.

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