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Maybe Prado should try and hire DV, he would be one of the guys I’d want at the track with me if I was a pro at the moment. I don’t know why guys aren’t working with DV, unless DV doesn’t want to work with anyone hahaha
Put Eli or Jett on that Kawi and they both are going to do what they’re doing now, hauling ass up front. You guys can’t tell me the Kawi is going to hold back those two, it shouldn’t be holding back Prado either imo. It’s a factory bike and it’s not a 2010 Yamaha 🤣🤣🤣
Matthes and Keefer said Jetts' 450 was the smoothest they've ever ridden when they tested it at Washougal in 2023.
Not spending the whole year testing mx has him behind our guys. He won’t ever catch up IMO
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Yeah no
How does a slow motor make him slower on the downhills and corners as well??
I don’t think that’s it, I think it’s more of a situation that just because a rider does well in one series doesn’t mean they would do well in the other. No matter if it’s an AMA guy going to GPS or a GP rider going to the AMA.
To me it just shows how each series is difficult in there own unique ways.
If Prado is blaming this all on the bike, can you imagine the headache Fahie will be dealing with when Sexton joins him under the tent next year?
I've said it many times, a disaster waiting to happen.
You mean Jett who was third in the moto because shock was to stiff?
Or Eli who backed off to 7-8 when bike wasn't feeling right?
Sorry but you are just wrong. A suspension setup for that powerfull bike is very different from a slow bike. It one thing is off, everything is off.
Jett would not be able to top three on Tomac bike, and Tomac would not be able to win or top three on Jetts bike. Probably not even top 5. They would if they where not in the championship hunt back it off even more, not to risk anything. So 5-10 is not out of the question.
The 1.5min or 50 sec behind is irrelevant when rider is not charging anyway.
Hmmm, have you ever participated MXGP race in person?
A lot of AMA vs MXGP crap in this thread!
You put Jett on a Star Yamaha, he will win. You put Jett on a Factory Kawi, he will will. Put Jett on a ktm, he will win. Put Eli on a Honda, he will will, put him on a Kawi, he will win. They wouldn’t be pulling a Prado and doin jack shit. My point is that with the level of talent that Prado is, he should be able to overcome that and still be top 5 right now. Gajser might sign with Ducati next year, and he will probably win on that thing because he will rise to the occasion. Prados being a lame right now.
Jett did literally did not win last race because he was a bit off, and you think putting him on a different bike that isn't dialed in would make him win? 😄
No champion so far, has been able to win on anything. Sorry, but none. They have all struggled from time to time. McGrath rode previous generation frame for gods sake 😄
Dungey had bike issues as soon as he couldn't win.
Jett lost SMX races because bike was off. A brand they had been on for a season already. Eli can't win if the bike is to low in rear, took him half a season to figure that out on kawi and a few races on Yamaha.
Hunter chased the bike almost all outdoor last season. When fixed, he could hang with Chase. Without it, not so much.
So you are just factually wrong.
No one can ride around the bike if it isnt within the small narrow window they have to hit today. Just keyboard warriors getting lapped after 3 laps on those tracks that think they should be able to 😂
And Prado isnt 90sec off bad right now, he just don't try because it takes him nowhere and risk crashing if the bike is that off for him. Its competing for win or maybe podium, or nothing, everything else is more or less a loss for him.
You can feel after a lap if the bike is better or not, if not he just mails it in. Maybe he knows it already before weekend. Just as Tomac on both Kawi and Yamaha, just as Jett took a third last race because shock setting was off. Just as AP went from almost winning to a fifth place guy because he went wrong direction on setup for moto 2. Tomac changes his setting for moto 2 because she couldn't turn the bike in moto 1.
Literally everyone is exactly the same. 2-3 clicks and a millimeter of sag and they are going from first to top 5. These are riders that's been years on the same chassis and ridden the tracks 10 times.
There is zero chance with how picky Jett has been on bike setup, he just hopes on the Kawi or Yami and wins in this field, zero.
Jett wins even when he hates his bike setup. I agree with ohh. He wins on any color almost immediately.
Say whatever you want, but these guys never got smoked consistently by a min and a half because of their bike being off or too slow. Bike not set up or whatever, Prado should still be right there with Hunter for his first year imo. Prados here to race Jett and Eli and Chase, not 10th at a national.
He doesn't in this field. No chance. He literally just took a third because setup was off 😄. So he is not winning, when bike isn't close to perfect. And dont forget, they are within the window already, but can still get it wrong with a few clicks and go from win to no win. That's how sensitive they are.
And he ain't getting the starts on the kawi if you move him to that one. They have been struggling consistent on the Honda in SX when conditions are wrong and they don't have the right setup. So he would just nail the starts, on the bike who now probably the greatest starter of all time struggles on? Nah. Likelyhood is zero of that happening.
2023 and 2024, is not 2025 field.
I have been lucky enough to be a race mechanic for riders in EMX 250 in Europe, and AMA 250 and 450 class here at home.
While the race pace of the AMA series is faster, is it primarily because AMA tracks are smoother and wider than MXGP tracks.
AMA racers go balls out from the gate drop to the flag, while MXGP guys find a different pace because of how rough the tracks get.
Prado needs a year on the bike and to learn the tracks. the Factory KTM/GG and the Factory Kawi are about as different as two motorcycles can be. Remember, Prado has only been on a steel frame bike his whole career.
No panic button needs to be pushed at this point IMO...
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People forget fast.
Dungey, 1.5min after Tomac 2015. First races on new KTM chassi. Plenty of other examples where Tomac got dropped on the Kawi and Yamaha in SX 30+sec.
Hunter went from 10-15sec off from Chase as close second, to ending up 45 sec to over a minute behind Chase. Why? Hunter switched to the new bike. The same brand, frame, and pretty much just minor changes according to Honda.
Like Phil said, 2min or 20 sec who cares if you know you're not going where you won't to be.
Eli has won on a Honda, KX, now YZ, and he will win on the KTM next year.
Ricky won on Kawi, Honda, Suzuki.
Chad won on everything he rode in his prime - 4 brands
Stew won on everything he rode in his prime - 3 brands.
Dunge won on Suzuki and awful early years KTM 450s.
Kenny has won on a KTM, Suzuki, Honda, now Suzuki again. The Suzuki doesn't even get placed in shootouts anymore it's so out dated and he's winning on it at Daytona...
The best riders win on whatever at some point. If Jorge is one of the best for real, the bike won't keep him this far back.
Prado seemed to be a racer who always started up front and either won or worked his way back. On a bike he was comfortable with, on tracks he was familiar with. He has the speed; he just has to find a setup that allows him to use it.
I did really think he would be up front - start first, fight with Eli and Jett, settle for third.
Give him time, those factory bikes are very specific to the rider and take time to get in the "window". Prado has raced 3 rounds on a kawasaki outdoors total. Let them massage it into the window, THEN he can start building. It all takes time, not everyone can come in and dominate like Jett who had the golden brick road to pros.
Do you work for Prado? You seem to come up with every reason why he’s where he’s at. Maybe you should tell him whether or not he’s happy with the bike he should push and see where it gets him. He’s a big dollar rider riding around in 10th lol and I honestly thought he would be top 5 at Pala.
You know tomac was a big dollar rider running around in 7-8 in a less deeper field, and Dungey getting out paced and put 1.5min down. Hunter over a minute down I very weak field.
You act like it never has happend, when It happens all the time.
Just tired of people doing poor and shallow analysis. Often it's due to not having the capacity to see through stuff unfortunately.
Can one of the Professional Journalist that reads Vital send P. Nicoletti a text and ask him if he thinks his KX450 is down on power?
Also, has he and Prado swapped bikes at ClubMX etc??
Be a fun response I’m sure.
Poor and shallow analysis? When Tomac did it we asked the same questions. Through three motocross races the World Champion looks like he wishes he never came here. Maybe it will change and he will get in the mix. As it stands the World Champion looks like crap and looks so far off the pointy end of the field it's hard to imagine him getting a podium let alone getting a sniff of Jetts exhaust. He walked into a hornet's nest coming here and I wonder what is going through his mind right now. I'd love to see him get it together and hope that he does.
They asked him on pulp a few weeks ago. Said on start it’s down on power. On rest of track it’s ok. He also said he loved the way the bike turned.
Who cares about one moto in a race he won the overall. Jett has lost one overall in his 450 career. You think he was happy with the bike in all those races?
I understand your thoughts I just don’t agree. We can just agree to disagree.
nah needs more time .....by round 9 he will be running top 5
He needs time. His first year in MXGP class was tough as well, even though he showed the speed. He started that year with a big injury (broken femur) and had to work his way back to pace. Took him more then a year to get comfortable enough to push. If he is not comfortable he will not push. I remember his first year on the GasGas he was struggling a LOT. He rode quite a bit at our local track and WP Suspension was with him trying all sorts of things all the time. Last year (2024) he was unreal on tracks around Lommel area.
You cannot tell me that a rider that went top 5 on a 250 at MXON races - from the age of 17 years old - doesn't have the speed and ability to get closer to the leaders at the outdoors. And that's not meant as a disrespect to the AMA riders. But, we all know he should be up front if he is comfortable. I didn't expect him to win immediately, but everyone that has seen him ride the past 8-10 years, sees that he is not 100% comfortable
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