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It could we don’t know. You can’t speak in definitives here.
I think you’re the one on drugs.
10% boost in power is a 10% boost in power. No matter what muscles you’re using.
Besides, whilst I’m no expert, an absolute boost in ‘power’ is probably not the key benefit here. I’d guess it’s more about feeding the muscles more oxygen so they suffer less fatigue.
Overall, I guess he could say he produced 10% more power across a ride, BECAUSE his muscles were less fatigued.
McElrath seems like a guy who would benefit a few positions if he were on an elite doping regimen. Not necessarily move him up to championship level, but into a consistent 3-7 guy for sure.
The big drop off that Ferrandis has had makes me wonder if he could have benefited from doping in order to maintain his overall speed through his injuries. He was a beast before and now it certainly looks like he’s lost his incredible ability to charge in the last half of races. Age? Maybe. But if he were to start a serious regimen of PEDs, I think that he could roll back the clock for a couple of years and be a factor again.
LOL missed this thread - honestly man, this will be the lableak theory of MX, all Deeg's fans will then look back at his performances and wonder how they didnt realise. When my fellow Vitards started posting their HR data in the other thread as though that is somehow an indication that they can exert themselves in the same way a professional mx athlete can I didnt bother with trying to then explain PERCEIVED vs ACTUAL effort. Doping allows the ACTUAL effort to maintain or only slightly drop off over a certain time period (Like 30+2). All the top 250 boys are redlining their heart rate the entire moto (Perceived effort is equal) but the doping allows actual effort to be maintained (like manhandling a 250 DEEP into a 30+2 thanks to the actual effort not dropping off) when your competitors' actual effort is dropping off like natural biology/thermodynamics dictates. Anyway - Why is thinking the family with a history of cheating and even celebrating law breaking as a PR stunt would likely be cheating in other ways that manifests in their beloved cretin blowing these dudes doors off at the end of each outdoor moto...If im wrong cool, but my hunch is saying otherwise is all....
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So for starters, Marty Smith wasnt in shape but Brian Deegan is...
Delusional thinking that the top riders of the past weren't all in
Read up on what Bob Hannah had to do beat this guy and stay the guy
Apt analogy. Roidgut...
Someone further up the thread called DEEGS efficient with his energy. LOL
I’m sure there are many tells to someone who has knowledge about PED’s. Unfortunately, it gets boiled down to one thing in these discussions… those who are winning by a wide margin must be doping and that’s where I think it gets messy.
Winning isn’t evidence of PED use in MX.
I think guys like Tomac, Jett, RC, Stew, MC are just that good. You can pull up videos of RC and Stew racing as youths. They beat their competitors at 12 years old by a wide margin. It’s no surprise to me they did it as adults too. I don’t feel a need to accuse them of cheating with the only evidence being their dominance.
There's tells for an average guy who's running a cycle, but less so for an elite guy because if they're doing it , it's with doctor help and guidance. They aren't going to wing it.
If say, the tell for epo was hardly looking out of breath after a race, we'd have a problem. But it's not so simple.
Being the fittest and the strongest don't always win it all.
NFL, NBA, MLB, TRACK, Olympics, SOCCER, CYCLING, BOXING, MMA, Gymnastics, TENNIS, plus all other professional sports......are competing for millions of $$ and every athlete is looking for that 1% edge.
Talent alone is not enough to win Championships, Need ability to go 110% for 30 + 2 or 25 min main event at 180 HRate.
Victor Conte, Balco, Netflix series Hall of Shame: our goal was to improve our athletes by 1/10th of 1.00%.
If the Top 5 are doing it, the Top 10 have to do it, so the Top 15 have to do it, so the Top 20 have to do it. Starts in high school, progresses.
Moto is no exception.
Hymas is the one I question the most. The dude faded hard every moto and than they "changed his diet". His super secret diet that made him a podium guy that doesn't fade nearly as hard.
Got any doping or other cheats for a family fun 5k? I need to shave about 30 seconds off my PR to make it on the podium in my age group. Shits getting serious.
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What if I told you o know for a fact, one or more of them took something at one time or another?
Obviously I was kidding but damn it makes sense that anywhere there’s competition, there’s cheating. I knew an old machinist that had tricks to modify pinewood derby cars to win Boy Scouts races. I can’t imagine putting in the hours of cycling, mile of running, and countless laps at the practice track and not being tempted to push the limits of supplements and PEDs.
Going from a poor diet to a proper diet can provide massive gains. I would not be surprised if a teenage boy wasn’t following a recommended plan and then decided to give it an honest attempt and saw a huge change.
To much to read on your last response. But can you not agree a 5th place guy is completely different than a 15th? 5th is a lot closer to 3rd and 15th is a lot closer to 21st… I do think any small advantage helps. It’s like saying you have a ya 125 and it’s faster than the Honda 125 profess owns…
I found this link interesting after watching the race today.
https://www.google.com/search?q=is+difficulty+swallowing%2Fbreathing+a+side+effect+of+EPO+use&rlz=1CAIMRL_enUS1140US1140&oq=is&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqCAgAEEUYJxg7MggIABBFGCcYOzIICAEQRRgnGDsyDQgCEC4YgwEYsQMYgAQyBggDEEUYOTIGCAQQRRg7MgYIBRBFGDwyBggGEEUYPDIGCAcQRRg80gEIMzk5MWowajSoAgawAgHxBVt29QMv-M5e&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
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I would agree if everything else is equal. That said,Just about everyone that RC lined up against had better Genetics. RC made up for that with an unparalleled work ethic , mental game and Championship race craft.
RC had a lot of special things going on that couldn’t be learned. I think he was a generational talent. Hard work and competitiveness simply capitalized on what he was born with.
Some people are born savants. Could be playing the piano, drawing, mathematics, or whatever. No amount of practice or dedication can make me Picasso or Beethoven. RC’s talent was riding a dirt bike and couldn’t be beat. 10 championships and 2 perfect seasons.
Those reasons are why I don’t think it’s fair to accuse riders of doping only based on their dominance. Some people are just that good. We see standouts in every single aspect of life-physical, mental, emotional and spiritual. It’s not a level playing field when it comes to talent in the first place.
This thread hasn't convinced me otherwise. A few people stated there are “tells” to know if someone is doping but refuse to specifically say what those tells are. They just make a claim that they “know” but say nothing to support their accusations.
All that doesn’t mean I don’t think doping takes place in MX. We would be naive to think otherwise. I’m only saying winning isn’t proof of who is doing it and it’s always only the winners who are unjustifiably put in the spotlight.
Good arguments.👍🏻💯
Everything you wrote above could have been written about Lance Armstrong vs RC. Look how that turned out. And remember, LA's dominant era overlapped Lance Armstrong's almost exactly (1999-2005 for LA, 2000-2006 for RC).
The 'tells' are unparalleled endurance abilities in the rider, faster recovery times between motos, flu-like symptoms (as a side-effect), evasive or secretive behavior, etc. Read up on EPO and it's use by competitive athletes to learn more. Obviously none of these signs alone prove EPO use, only anti-doping and longitudinal blood monitoring can confirm abuse.
Am I recalling correctly or am I making this up?
2008 MXoN- some teams saying they’ll only go if there’s no drug testing?!
Which current rider keeps avoiding the MXoN?
There's also multiple reports that RC could handle more work load than anyone else. I'm not saying that he did or didn't use anything, but genetically he was apparently like the Martin brothers.
On another note, if you listen to the story of most of these guys coming up through the ranks, living in motorhomes, parents selling everything, family livelihood depending on the results... Everyone of you would do whatever was necessary to make it. Look at all the middle age guys getting on testosterone just to impress the office ladies. Mid life crisis now includes 6 packs and pec flexing. "I had low energy bro, had to get on it..."
That is interesting…..
Middle aged guys on trt is a great point, never thought of it like that
Interesting take...... are you against trt personally? Or think the benefits are overrated?
Asking as a trt user.
I for one would believe you, since one of them was popped and served a suspension. lol
Personally I think it's over prescribed, people in the military figured out long ago that you just needed a doctor to say you had low t, lots of 18-22 year olds use it. Now the middle age men figured it out. If you're going to use it just say you want it, don't make some excuse about having low testosterone.
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