Eli out at Yamaha?

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4/18/2025 8:35am

Any person/ team that would choose cooper Webb over Eli tomac is on drugs

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nice. I have Zero Social accounts so would have missed that. Funny looking at various wikis and such "sources" they seem evenly split between 2 and...

nice. I have Zero Social accounts so would have missed that. Funny looking at various wikis and such "sources" they seem evenly split between 2 and 3 kids- not that it matters much in the context for discussion 🙃

That is funny.

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4/18/2025 8:53am

Eli back to Kawasaki with a cable clutch and kyb. 2026 special racer with kyb kit suspension!!!!!

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4/18/2025 9:02am

I’d have to think there is still some negotiations going on. I just can’t see Yamaha being like “well sorry, see ya” 

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4/18/2025 9:09am

what a weird silly season we're gonna have with the JA drama, Sexton, ET3 and a whole slew of others. I just cannot imagine ET hopping on a ducati in their 1st year. Just almost impossible in my mind. KTM is way more believable. All that said, Yamaha, cut the man his check. Let him go out on what is obviously a stellar bike for him.

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4/18/2025 9:11am
BuckNutty wrote:

Any person/ team that would choose cooper Webb over Eli tomac is on drugs

lawdddd Jesus 🤦🏾‍♂️ coop ain’t the main problem , its the fact Eli out here pulling Brett farve’s & Aron Rodger’s , saying hes goona retire & then coming back , while Eli is still imo racing at an elite lvl, Eli is holding them hostage cause their now tryna transition to their future investment in deegs , u gotta look at from both sides of the coin , its a damn if u do damn if u don’t , Eli ain’t goona be here forever , coop is still young enough to race for at least 4 to 5 yrs , are u willing to let deegs go to another brand if ur star just for Eli to faze out in 2 yrs max 🤔

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4/18/2025 9:11am

I’d have to think there is still some negotiations going on. I just can’t see Yamaha being like “well sorry, see ya” 

Hard to say. Kawi let Stewart and RC go.

It would be one thing if Yamaha had Jett Lawrence or even Sexton, more understandable in my opinion. However, in fairness to Yamaha and as pointed out earlier, they probably didn't expect him to keep racing.

If I were Yamaha I would try to make it work, 1 year deal.

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4/18/2025 9:26am

ET3 is one of the most popular riders, ESPN award winning, name recognition. Hard to believe these stories have any truth behind them.

IF Eli races in 2026 smart money says it's on the Star Racing Yamaha,

 

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4/18/2025 10:44am Edited Date/Time 4/18/2025 10:56am

If there is a zero percent chance Yamaha is able to work some kind of deal for him, any chance they mutually part ways prior to Pro Motocross? If I’m Eli that’s what I would be hoping for, skip outdoors and start testing bikes. 

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4/18/2025 10:48am

If he went Ducati the reliability would tested that's for sure,  he's hard on equipment.

 

Would a cable Hinson clutch not be an option on the KTM?

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4/18/2025 10:51am

Ducati should be handing him a blank check. Cannot monetize what Tomac winning on that bike first year would do for the USA launch. And the story line would be legendary if he got a title on a 3rd manufacturer this late in his career. So much upside.

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4/18/2025 11:08am

If the bike did suit him, you're right, it would be legendary and absolutely epic to see Tomac win on the Italian stallion. 

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Ducati should be handing him a blank check. Cannot monetize what Tomac winning on that bike first year would do for the USA launch. And the...

Ducati should be handing him a blank check. Cannot monetize what Tomac winning on that bike first year would do for the USA launch. And the story line would be legendary if he got a title on a 3rd manufacturer this late in his career. So much upside.

Good point in that Tomac succeeding on that bike would instantly legitimize them from year 1 in the USA. Downside is, if he struggles, it would be a very bad look.

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4/18/2025 11:42am
JL13 wrote:
If there is a zero percent chance Yamaha is able to work some kind of deal for him, any chance they mutually part ways prior to...

If there is a zero percent chance Yamaha is able to work some kind of deal for him, any chance they mutually part ways prior to Pro Motocross? If I’m Eli that’s what I would be hoping for, skip outdoors and start testing bikes. 

I mean we lokey seen it with coop & KTM but I feel Eli & star ain’t goona take it too personal & both will honor both sides of the contract by continuing outdoors & the playoffs this season 

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4/18/2025 11:50am Edited Date/Time 4/18/2025 11:52am

I would be amazed if Eli leaves Yamaha. But...Ducati never half asses anything. If Eli chooses to go to them, the bike will be ready. Maybe, just maybe, this is why TC is racing select Nationals and GP's this year. He'll test the sh*t out of it. 

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4/18/2025 11:51am Edited Date/Time 4/18/2025 11:52am

Rumors of a private team with buc-ees and John Deer as the title sponsors in the works

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Rumors of a private team with buc-ees and John Deer as the title sponsors in the works

😂😂 ayyyyy in a fantasy world , it would be dope to see Eli go the reedy route & operate his own team for his final yrs , 1st last hurrah for Eli , him & his father bring on real tree , carthartt , John deere & CAT bobcat as outside sponsors , get ur team of technicians & mechanics of ur choosing & just keep letting the dog bark till it can’t bark no more 

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4/18/2025 12:06pm
JL13 wrote:
If there is a zero percent chance Yamaha is able to work some kind of deal for him, any chance they mutually part ways prior to...

If there is a zero percent chance Yamaha is able to work some kind of deal for him, any chance they mutually part ways prior to Pro Motocross? If I’m Eli that’s what I would be hoping for, skip outdoors and start testing bikes. 

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I mean we lokey seen it with coop & KTM but I feel Eli & star ain’t goona take it too personal & both will honor...

I mean we lokey seen it with coop & KTM but I feel Eli & star ain’t goona take it too personal & both will honor both sides of the contract by continuing outdoors & the playoffs this season 

I just don’t believe that would be in the best interest for Eli to set himself up for SX next year. Time isn’t necessarily on his side, to begin bike testing on a whole new bike/program with only 2 months to spare leading up to the SX season - that’s not enough time. If he has the entire summer to hop on a new bike and come to form on that new bike, seems to me that would make the most sense given where he’s at in his career - I feel like Star would respect it and allow for it if there is indeed zero shot they’re able to work something out for him. Best case scenario, they work something out - but if not, I think more time on a new bike would make more sense than to spend the next six months on a bike he’ll no longer be riding.

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4/18/2025 12:14pm

Rumors of a private team with buc-ees and John Deer as the title sponsors in the works

Oh no...I'll go broke buying merch 😁😁

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I don’t see a problem with ET, saying he’ll retire and then keep racing. He should be a welcome addition to any team. He’s a fierce competitor, a proven champ and will make a great spokesman for a manufacturer when he does retire.

Dungey was retired  for years and KTM found an opening for him to race.

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72bu wrote:
I don’t see a problem with ET, saying he’ll retire and then keep racing. He should be a welcome addition to any team. He’s a fierce...


I don’t see a problem with ET, saying he’ll retire and then keep racing. He should be a welcome addition to any team. He’s a fierce competitor, a proven champ and will make a great spokesman for a manufacturer when he does retire.

Dungey was retired  for years and KTM found an opening for him to race.

The problem is finding a team that will pay what he thinks he’s worth.

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JL13 wrote:
If there is a zero percent chance Yamaha is able to work some kind of deal for him, any chance they mutually part ways prior to...

If there is a zero percent chance Yamaha is able to work some kind of deal for him, any chance they mutually part ways prior to Pro Motocross? If I’m Eli that’s what I would be hoping for, skip outdoors and start testing bikes. 

stewie94 wrote:
I mean we lokey seen it with coop & KTM but I feel Eli & star ain’t goona take it too personal & both will honor...

I mean we lokey seen it with coop & KTM but I feel Eli & star ain’t goona take it too personal & both will honor both sides of the contract by continuing outdoors & the playoffs this season 

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I just don’t believe that would be in the best interest for Eli to set himself up for SX next year. Time isn’t necessarily on his...

I just don’t believe that would be in the best interest for Eli to set himself up for SX next year. Time isn’t necessarily on his side, to begin bike testing on a whole new bike/program with only 2 months to spare leading up to the SX season - that’s not enough time. If he has the entire summer to hop on a new bike and come to form on that new bike, seems to me that would make the most sense given where he’s at in his career - I feel like Star would respect it and allow for it if there is indeed zero shot they’re able to work something out for him. Best case scenario, they work something out - but if not, I think more time on a new bike would make more sense than to spend the next six months on a bike he’ll no longer be riding.

I feel ya , guess we just have to wait & see my brotha 🤷🏾‍♂️ , im willing to bet if there was no threat of deegs coming up to 450s as early as next season outdoors , then we wouldn’t be talking bout this with Eli right now 

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4/18/2025 12:44pm

I don't see him switching brands at this point if he truly wants to win more races and maybe even a title. Either they make it work, or he goes into semi-retirement developing the Ducati.

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4/18/2025 12:46pm
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... Why wouldn't they get rid of Justin Cooper?And on what planet does it make sense to drop tomac for webb, after tomac came out looking...

... Why wouldn't they get rid of Justin Cooper?

And on what planet does it make sense to drop tomac for webb, after tomac came out looking the best he ever had, and after his mxon performance ?

That's kind of what I was getting at. If it's indeed the case that JCoop needs to be re-signed. And I'm a JCoop fan. Obviously JCoop...

That's kind of what I was getting at. If it's indeed the case that JCoop needs to be re-signed. And I'm a JCoop fan. Obviously JCoop isn't pulling in Eli money. But it would certainly make re-upping Eli more manageable with the upside of possible championships. 

I was trying to put some thought of how age and progression comes into play and why they would potentially keep Justin or Webb in this...

I was trying to put some thought of how age and progression comes into play and why they would potentially keep Justin or Webb in this scenario (Webb may have another year on his contract, I honestly do not know, I am just thinking out loud).  Anyway, I didn't realize Justin is 27, and Webb is 29.  Justin is not as young as I thought, I know he is only in his 2nd year on the 450, and is looking better (SX), but not sure how much higher he will climb.  And I didn't realize Webb was 29, he is about 1 year away from the time career factory riders start to ask how many more years they want to do this (I know, Chisolm is an anomaly).  Anyway, with how Eli has been riding, and willing to keep going at this point, it is hard not to consider what you are saying here, you have a 100% championship level rider willing, and his teammates aren't that much younger, but not quite on the same level of ability to bring home a championship.  Maybe a re-shuffle to keep their #1 guy is warranted.

I'll say this, as far as the ages of rider's go in modern racing. The longevity of riders seems to be getting better and better. 27-29yrs old would be a rider just wrapping up his career. Webb looks as good as he ever has. Tomac looks as fast as ever. We're seeing guys in their early 30's not really missing a step. Modern training, periodization, recovery protocols, etc it sure seems to be working. Trainers not totally frying their riders so they retire at 27 (cough Aldon Baker cough) 

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4/18/2025 12:55pm
72bu wrote:
I don’t see a problem with ET, saying he’ll retire and then keep racing. He should be a welcome addition to any team. He’s a fierce...


I don’t see a problem with ET, saying he’ll retire and then keep racing. He should be a welcome addition to any team. He’s a fierce competitor, a proven champ and will make a great spokesman for a manufacturer when he does retire.

Dungey was retired  for years and KTM found an opening for him to race.

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The problem is finding a team that will pay what he thinks he’s worth.


He probably is asking for big money. If these teams want to win a championship they’re going to have to dig deep in their pockets.

Eli, looks to be the best chance of winning a championship with a healthy Jett coming back.

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4/18/2025 1:06pm Edited Date/Time 4/18/2025 1:16pm
72bu wrote:
I don’t see a problem with ET, saying he’ll retire and then keep racing. He should be a welcome addition to any team. He’s a fierce...


I don’t see a problem with ET, saying he’ll retire and then keep racing. He should be a welcome addition to any team. He’s a fierce competitor, a proven champ and will make a great spokesman for a manufacturer when he does retire.

Dungey was retired  for years and KTM found an opening for him to race.

ando wrote:

The problem is finding a team that will pay what he thinks he’s worth.

My guesstimate to why he could possibly leave Star early…most of which others have pointed out…and as someone that’s quite sure there’s “still a lot of value in Eli”: 

1. He’s going to cost a lot of money to retain thru-out the Nat’s (salary, bonuses & potentially championship bonus) So, he’s expensive to retain for a team that may not be…supposedly is NOT be keeping him next season. This is an opportunity to get out of further expenditures on Eli…and…

2. If he goes to another team/bike, it would be wise to get started at the new team as soon as possible. No matter if it’s KTM, Ducati or Suzuki…it’s an all new bike to Eli that’s likely gonna need A LOT of time to get dialed in to “Beast Mode”. 

3. I am not judging…but, he just missed a good portion of, yet…another…Supercross season that cost Star, Yamaha, Monster a helluva lot of money. If I’m not mistaken, that’s 2 different 1 year contracts…surely very expensive contracts…so, I could see the sponsors being ready to move on. I can see this as simply a “corporate finance” decision.

4. Wherever he goes, they've got to be considering -all- the terms of the contract and associated costs. Is it a “1 year” thing and maybe an option for another? Is it SX only? Are they willing to offer the kind of money that Eli’s become accustomed to? Who’s his team-mate gonna be? Does he care?

5. I’m sure plenty of folks are gonna bring up his age. OK, fine…but…it’s like this…

Outside of all these damn injuries that are frustrating the shit out of us…certainly including Eli…well, aside from all that…

Is it just me or hasn’t he become faster…and…smarter…and…

Dangerously Content?

So, I’m guessing he’s still gettin’ some solid offers & I can’t see how the hell Troy and company aren’t scraping together every last dime to try to get him. Yup, I’m expecting Ducati to go for it. And, as I touched on earlier…I could even see the likes of Suzuki trying to bring him back to the fold…almost 20 years later…the word is they actually have a new bike for 2026…(hey, it could happen). Does KTM have the coin to get Eli? Do they have the bike? Hell, who’s to say he couldn’t end up on the Rockstar team? 

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Some interesting history. Suzuki. Rockstar. TLD. 

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That's kind of what I was getting at. If it's indeed the case that JCoop needs to be re-signed. And I'm a JCoop fan. Obviously JCoop...

That's kind of what I was getting at. If it's indeed the case that JCoop needs to be re-signed. And I'm a JCoop fan. Obviously JCoop isn't pulling in Eli money. But it would certainly make re-upping Eli more manageable with the upside of possible championships. 

I was trying to put some thought of how age and progression comes into play and why they would potentially keep Justin or Webb in this...

I was trying to put some thought of how age and progression comes into play and why they would potentially keep Justin or Webb in this scenario (Webb may have another year on his contract, I honestly do not know, I am just thinking out loud).  Anyway, I didn't realize Justin is 27, and Webb is 29.  Justin is not as young as I thought, I know he is only in his 2nd year on the 450, and is looking better (SX), but not sure how much higher he will climb.  And I didn't realize Webb was 29, he is about 1 year away from the time career factory riders start to ask how many more years they want to do this (I know, Chisolm is an anomaly).  Anyway, with how Eli has been riding, and willing to keep going at this point, it is hard not to consider what you are saying here, you have a 100% championship level rider willing, and his teammates aren't that much younger, but not quite on the same level of ability to bring home a championship.  Maybe a re-shuffle to keep their #1 guy is warranted.

I'll say this, as far as the ages of rider's go in modern racing. The longevity of riders seems to be getting better and better. 27-29yrs...

I'll say this, as far as the ages of rider's go in modern racing. The longevity of riders seems to be getting better and better. 27-29yrs old would be a rider just wrapping up his career. Webb looks as good as he ever has. Tomac looks as fast as ever. We're seeing guys in their early 30's not really missing a step. Modern training, periodization, recovery protocols, etc it sure seems to be working. Trainers not totally frying their riders so they retire at 27 (cough Aldon Baker cough) 

I do agree with you... but I'd bet if you'd ask the Ryan's if they regret training with him, they'd both say no.

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I mean Suzuki has a cable clutch and KYB suspension already, I hear its a pretty stable bike. The program seems pretty relaxed over there. 

Tomac on a Duc would be cool and he'd b absolutely critical in developing it for supercross. Ducati makes some powerful engines as well.

Though some sort of Yamaha seems to be the most clear route of choice.

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