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Glen helen has racing all weekend
LACR still shut down, is it done? Doesn't seem good at this point.
Fox closed for Spartan? Wtf is that?
Are perris and Cahuilla the only tracks open this weekend?
This sucks! Elsinore can't open soon enough. We need another facility in the rotation. This blows.
Stop suing and bitching about prep! Carry on...
Barona is open this weekend.
Per what I said last time at thread came up about suing and track conditions... tracks and riders as a whole need to quit doing stupid shit.
Couple of weeks ago at GH, they drove a large 6x6 water truck onto the track as I was coming around Talladega, myself, Villo, and Tyler Lynn almost hit him third gear pinned.
I go yell at the guy, he does it again.
No flaggers, open practice, just driving equipment across the track.
Every time I go to the track lately, I just see the dumbest stuff. People going third gear pinned in the pits, trainers on tracks riding sections with no gear or helmet on. Trainers everywhere with riders cutting on and off the tracks without looking. 50cc kids on the main tracks during the middle of the week practice getting clipped and rolling around. People looping out doing wheelies through the pits. People getting on the track going backwards. Riders getting landed on left and right when they're down because tracks have little to no flaggers. The few they have don't care.
I'm born and raised in SoCal, and never have the tracks and people's overall attitudes and decision-making been so poor.
God we need help...
Cal City is my new jam. I'm over the weekend crowds at cahuilla and pala, and if I am going to drive 2+ hours, at least I'm not sitting in traffic the whole way home. I've donated to the LACR fund, but I'm not holding out much hope it ever comes back, which is a travesty to our local scene.
This lack of tracks in SoCal certainly isn't helping dealers and aftermarket suppliers bottomline.
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Cal City MX (California City)
SunFair24 (Joshua Tree)
Ridgecrest MX (Ridgecrest) - although they seem to be open every other weekend.
I haven't been to Glen Helen in a year and I don't miss it one bit. That place really is a wasteland of responsibility.
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The "trainers" having kids do section work is out of control. A lot of the kids absolutely do not look when they get on or off the track. They will just slow down and cut over without a care in the world, all on us to predict their moves to avoid seriously injuring a child. Pretty cool.
I believe spartan is one of those endurance deals that is hip these days. Kinda like a military style boot camp/course where you feel good about yourself if you finish. Builds team work etc. Mud, barbwire, plank walls to climb....
Yep. This is why I never (rarely) practice there. I only race there. But even on race days it is marginal.
Cal City is always worth the drive the owner really takes care of that track! The flagging situations were a lot better when the Brett Downey Foundation was around not sure what happened to that?
I can't believe people do section work at open practices. I understand the need, but sections are for turn tracks and private tracks.
Tracks in NJ really do lay down the law, splitting up practice well and booting idiots.
Too far
Seriously. I agree 100% ML. This isn't Nam, we need rules
People are seriously getting stupider...except us of course here on vitalmx.
Those are some crazy observations of people at the tracks in California by ML. Hopefully just a minority but people need some common sense and respect for others everywhere on earth.
"Elsinore can't open soon enough."
this is an absolutely insane statement lol, worst track in Socal. Idek how it stayed open as long as it did.
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This. Kids on 50's doing classes just jump on/off wherever their trainer/dad tells them to. No concept of checking first or awareness of blind backsides, etc. I have nearly mowed kids over numerous times when they decided to enter the track on the backside of a blind jump when I am mid-air. 2 times it was because their dad had sent them on. Then when I go over and try to educate the dad they want to argue and make an issue. Notice that none of these problem mini-dads are ever wearing riding gear. My buddy has hit 2 different kids because of these training classes working sections.
In a sue happy culture, why don't tracks have sessions?
Juniors, Intermediate and Advanced?
Open sessions seem nuts.
I’ve seen dads/coaches putting 50 riders on the main GH track on a Thursday when all the pros are out there. Pala is the worst though when it comes to kids working on drills and pulling off the track in random spots without looking. Then if you try to say something to the parents in a friendly way, they absolutely lose their shit on you.
I have been saying this for 20+ years- the Wild West approach to safety in this sport is going to be its downfall. You couldn't open a swimming pool and run it this way without getting shut down in about five minutes. The AMA should require safety measures during practice to have an AMA sanction. Having pro riders and kids running a track at the same time with no flaggers is just asking for disaster.
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The dads never wearing riding gear...you hit the nail on the head with that one. Well said.
This is why the Brit Downey Foundation was started Brett was hit and killed by a pro Rider at Glen Helen not going to mention his name he went through some hard times mentally with it! We really need something like this to come back let the tracks won't have anything to do with it they don't want to pay for the flaggers and if they're not forced to they won't! That being said I wonder how many insurance under writers browse these Moto forums looking for reasons not to ensure tracks
Haven't ridden since December. With fewer tracks= crowds, rate increases and living 1.5 hrs from the nearest track it gets harder to stay motivated to load up.
You would think if the track offered free entry fees in exchange for heads up flaggers it would kill two stones with one bird (no actual outlay for the track and a safer track). Just a thought.
Perris has vintage on Saturday, open practice Sunday only.
GH has LL racing on the main and Saturday motocross on the Vet track. Fox is closed to dirt bikes until Tuesday, so the only options are Barona or Cahuilla. Both of those tracks are going to be packed like the 405 at rush hour.
I rode in Holland recently, and their practice days are incredibly organized- they stage by skill level and bike size, and you need to have a rider license in order to even get on the track- if you start acting like an asshole, they will yank your license and you can’t ride at any facility.
Why our socal tracks don’t have at least some sort of practice day rules and supervision is beyond me. I will say that a few tracks around here , like Perris, have flaggers and EMTS on site every day that I've ridden there. IMO Glen Helen is without a doubt the most unorganized and lawless motocross facility in So Cal.
When Elsinore re- opens, I wonder if they will actually have their shit together, because the last few operators were not very good. (Im talking to you, Randy Hiner)
Thanks I didn't even catch that. Unbelievable. Every track decided to have races this weekend!
I moved to California a decade ago and used to wish I was in SoCal, but after seeing the great tracks go away like Milestone and LACR and the debacle that is GH at any time I've been there, I have never been happier to be in NorCal.
We have prepped tracks to ride 5-6 days a week, decent OHVs, and great single track and fire road riding.
It took me a little while to appreciate it but I sure do now.
There are so many regular riders down here, Moto is as popular around here as Ive seen in a long while.
I think when Elsinore opens again it will get better here. Perris is going to do a mid week pro practice during the day (I think I heard Craig say), and Barona is looking to expand their days for the summer as well.
I was at Fox this Monday, and it was just packed. You would think that during the week it would be a ghost town.
Tracks should adopt the track day approach on the road bike-side. Everyone attends a mandatory riders meeting which would go over safety, any issues with the track, and proper etiquette. If you show up late, you go through the meeting/quick sheet with a staff member separately. You get a wrist band, helmet sticker, or sticker for the number plate to let someone manning the track entrance know that you've attended the riders meeting. Unfortunately, it would require additional personnel which would add additional operational costs of the track, but it would hopefully combat some of the riff raff.
The little babies on minis during the morning sessions is what scares the shit out of me.
couple weeks ago I came over the front table at Fox and saw a small girl on a Husq 65 lying at the base of the landing where she tipped over. I missed her by an inch at 50 MPH. I cant imagine what would have happened if I had hit her.
Why her parents thought it was a good idea to allow her on the track in the morning have no idea - normally these kids go out at the end of the day after 12 when everyone is leaving and the kids and beginners have the place to themselves...
Agreed, the section training is out of control. Riders pulling off and on the track everywhere. Something is going to have to change soon.
Anyone going to race GH this weekend?
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