Will new Auto Tariffs impact dirtbikes?

The real Sasquatch wrote:

The big reason of outsourcing to other countries is cost, and another is moving pollution of manufacturing . Those other countries that people are paid way...

The big reason of outsourcing to other countries is cost, and another is moving pollution of manufacturing . Those other countries that people are paid way less, to work in conditions that no US worker would ever want to work in.  Who is taking advantage of who? perspective can change how you see that argument. 

 

 The last factory I worked in closed up in part to having a hard time finding workers and it costing less to become a middleman than to employ all the people who didn't want to work anyway.  Look at all the open construction jobs. A lot of good paying jobs that people could be working at. And yet all the people I know with construction companies are saying they are having trouble growing because they can't get people to work. 

 

Who here posting would be lining up for a job at a factory? 

Last2Stroke wrote:

What hasn't be discussed is the effect on US owned multinationals like PepsiCo, Coca-Cola, Tyson Foods, Kraft Heinz, Mondelez International, General Mills, Conagra Brands, and Campbell...

What hasn't be discussed is the effect on US owned multinationals like PepsiCo, Coca-Cola, Tyson Foods, Kraft Heinz, Mondelez International, General Mills, Conagra Brands, and Campbell Soup, who make significant portions of their revenue outside the US, their products can be found on supermarket shelves around the world.

If there is consumer backlash internationally, similar to the Canadian backlash against Jack Daniels, their bottom lines, share prices and many peoples 401ks will be effected.

Last2Stroke wrote:

What hasn't be discussed is the effect on US owned multinationals like PepsiCo, Coca-Cola, Tyson Foods, Kraft Heinz, Mondelez International, General Mills, Conagra Brands, and Campbell...

What hasn't be discussed is the effect on US owned multinationals like PepsiCo, Coca-Cola, Tyson Foods, Kraft Heinz, Mondelez International, General Mills, Conagra Brands, and Campbell Soup, who make significant portions of their revenue outside the US, their products can be found on supermarket shelves around the world.

If there is consumer backlash internationally, similar to the Canadian backlash against Jack Daniels, their bottom lines, share prices and many peoples 401ks will be effected.

jjavaman wrote:

I think it’s all ready started…

I think it’s all ready started…

Last2Stroke wrote:

Why are there no tariffs on Russia or Belarus?

wrc777 wrote:

US trade with Russia is heavily sanctioned due to the Ukraine invasion.

Last2Stroke wrote:

LOL, the US imported $3 billion worth of goods from Russia in 2024, and had a trade deficit of $2.5 billion...

LOL, the US imported $3 billion worth of goods from Russia in 2024, and had a trade deficit of $2.5 billion...

wrc777 wrote:

US trade with Russia is heavily sanctioned due to the Ukraine invasion.

Last2Stroke wrote:

LOL, the US imported $3 billion worth of goods from Russia in 2024, and had a trade deficit of $2.5 billion...

LOL, the US imported $3 billion worth of goods from Russia in 2024, and had a trade deficit of $2.5 billion...

Beagle wrote:

Yep, that would be a 41% "discounted reciprocal tariff" if Russia hadn't been magically exempted...

wrc777 wrote:

You don’t read much do you. 

Last2Stroke wrote:

What hasn't be discussed is the effect on US owned multinationals like PepsiCo, Coca-Cola, Tyson Foods, Kraft Heinz, Mondelez International, General Mills, Conagra Brands, and Campbell...

What hasn't be discussed is the effect on US owned multinationals like PepsiCo, Coca-Cola, Tyson Foods, Kraft Heinz, Mondelez International, General Mills, Conagra Brands, and Campbell Soup, who make significant portions of their revenue outside the US, their products can be found on supermarket shelves around the world.

If there is consumer backlash internationally, similar to the Canadian backlash against Jack Daniels, their bottom lines, share prices and many peoples 401ks will be effected.

jjavaman wrote:

I think it’s all ready started…

I think it’s all ready started…

Last2Stroke wrote:

Thanks for reminding me, I need to buy maple syrup and make pancakes this weekend!

The real Sasquatch wrote:

The big reason of outsourcing to other countries is cost, and another is moving pollution of manufacturing . Those other countries that people are paid way...

The big reason of outsourcing to other countries is cost, and another is moving pollution of manufacturing . Those other countries that people are paid way less, to work in conditions that no US worker would ever want to work in.  Who is taking advantage of who? perspective can change how you see that argument. 

 

 The last factory I worked in closed up in part to having a hard time finding workers and it costing less to become a middleman than to employ all the people who didn't want to work anyway.  Look at all the open construction jobs. A lot of good paying jobs that people could be working at. And yet all the people I know with construction companies are saying they are having trouble growing because they can't get people to work. 

 

Who here posting would be lining up for a job at a factory? 

joshd wrote:

Have you ever worked in the construction industry? 

The real Sasquatch wrote:

The big reason of outsourcing to other countries is cost, and another is moving pollution of manufacturing . Those other countries that people are paid way...

The big reason of outsourcing to other countries is cost, and another is moving pollution of manufacturing . Those other countries that people are paid way less, to work in conditions that no US worker would ever want to work in.  Who is taking advantage of who? perspective can change how you see that argument. 

 

 The last factory I worked in closed up in part to having a hard time finding workers and it costing less to become a middleman than to employ all the people who didn't want to work anyway.  Look at all the open construction jobs. A lot of good paying jobs that people could be working at. And yet all the people I know with construction companies are saying they are having trouble growing because they can't get people to work. 

 

Who here posting would be lining up for a job at a factory? 

joshd wrote:

Have you ever worked in the construction industry? 

The real Sasquatch wrote:

Yup.  Residential stuff. for about 10 years, but I got board with it. It was repetitive and even though I was able to be somewhat creative, I...

Yup. 

 Residential stuff. for about 10 years, but I got board with it. It was repetitive and even though I was able to be somewhat creative, I got board with it and was really enjoying my hobby at the time of making graphics and being involved with this industry. 

Now I do small projects for fun  .I'm glad I learned everything I learned and did not go to collage and get a degree I'll never use with the giant debt.

joshd wrote:

Have you ever worked in the construction industry? 

The real Sasquatch wrote:

Yup.  Residential stuff. for about 10 years, but I got board with it. It was repetitive and even though I was able to be somewhat creative, I...

Yup. 

 Residential stuff. for about 10 years, but I got board with it. It was repetitive and even though I was able to be somewhat creative, I got board with it and was really enjoying my hobby at the time of making graphics and being involved with this industry. 

Now I do small projects for fun  .I'm glad I learned everything I learned and did not go to collage and get a degree I'll never use with the giant debt.

wrc777 wrote:

A lot of people would benefit from working construction for a couple of years just to learn how to do it all themselves. You can save...

A lot of people would benefit from working construction for a couple of years just to learn how to do it all themselves. You can save a lot of money doing those projects yourself vs hiring it out plus you know it will be done right if you do it yourself. A smart person could even set themselves up to run their own business.

Johnny Ringo wrote:

The preacher man says its the end of time and the Mississippi River she's a going dry. The interest is up and the stock markets down and you only...

The preacher man says its the end of time 
and the Mississippi River she's a going dry. 
The interest is up and the stock markets down 
and you only get mugged if you go downtown.

The real Sasquatch wrote:

Yup.  Residential stuff. for about 10 years, but I got board with it. It was repetitive and even though I was able to be somewhat creative, I...

Yup. 

 Residential stuff. for about 10 years, but I got board with it. It was repetitive and even though I was able to be somewhat creative, I got board with it and was really enjoying my hobby at the time of making graphics and being involved with this industry. 

Now I do small projects for fun  .I'm glad I learned everything I learned and did not go to collage and get a degree I'll never use with the giant debt.

wrc777 wrote:

A lot of people would benefit from working construction for a couple of years just to learn how to do it all themselves. You can save...

A lot of people would benefit from working construction for a couple of years just to learn how to do it all themselves. You can save a lot of money doing those projects yourself vs hiring it out plus you know it will be done right if you do it yourself. A smart person could even set themselves up to run their own business.

The real Sasquatch wrote:

Its funny, I've been in a cycle of being creative artistically and then building or doing mechanical  stuff for most of my life. I bounce back...

Its funny, I've been in a cycle of being creative artistically and then building or doing mechanical  stuff for most of my life. I bounce back and forth and lately I have been looking at buying a mini excavator to use for my property. And have been going back and forth between getting one good enough for the little I'll use it. And getting a newer , better machine and renting it out to help offset its cost.  When I was a little kid, my Grandmother and I played a game called Mr. Jones. And it was a gravel pit and equipment rental place.  

I am glad I learned what I learned. And I enjoy doing it every so often so it works out well that I have a property that needs improvements. It also came in handy when I helped my Mother flip her mothers house and save her some stress and money.

 

I think that some of the trouble my friends have with finding people to work is because of so many people just starting their own business.  Starting a construction company is easier than ever ( depending on what trade You are planning on doing). A handyman style start to becoming a builder, landscaper start to excavation. You can google how to do the business side of stuff and if You are skilled enough with the segment of construction You want to do start posting photos and videos of the work You do and it can be enough to get You going. With it being easier now than in the past to get the info needed to start ,and easier and cheaper to advertise . Insurance might be the biggest barrier to a person starting out. The cost of insurance has gone insane and would be one of the biggest expenses for somebody starting out that already has tools and knows their trade. I remember my bosses insurance on our brand new Cat 320 , 20 years ago. a 170k machine at the time, was not much more than what I pay for the insurance on my mothers 21 year old Jeep with a book value of $4-5k  and 4 accidents between us both over the span of my lifetime and driving less than 10k miles per year. Now that I think of it, some regulation of insurance companies might help bring costs down.

 

  But with tariffs raising costs on everything's replacements, I am sure insurance will also go up.  

thearc wrote:

News say 25% Tarrifs on all non US made vehicles and parts. Is off-road included in this? Couldn’t see anything about that specifically. 

Johnny Ringo wrote:

The preacher man says its the end of time and the Mississippi River she's a going dry. The interest is up and the stock markets down and you only...

The preacher man says its the end of time 
and the Mississippi River she's a going dry. 
The interest is up and the stock markets down 
and you only get mugged if you go downtown.

burn1986 wrote:

Preacher man?

avidchimp wrote:

So what you're saying is corporate America and the Government allowing the offshoring of all our important/base material manufacturing and supply over the last 40'ish years...

So what you're saying is corporate America and the Government allowing the offshoring of all our important/base material manufacturing and supply over the last 40'ish years is us getting screwed by other countries, and tariff's levied by the U.S. and paid for by the citizens of this country who are already struggling will fix the problem?

wrc777 wrote:

Low/no tariffs sure doesn’t work. Might as well try something different. These countries have taken advantage of free access to the US market for decades. One...

Low/no tariffs sure doesn’t work. Might as well try something different. These countries have taken advantage of free access to the US market for decades. One way or another that will end. If we keep hemorrhaging jobs we as a country won’t be buying anything. You won’t like living in that country. 

bodycast wrote:

Your blinded by rage.   This is how this is going to work.  You are going to pay more for goods and services and our government and...

Your blinded by rage.  

 

This is how this is going to work.  You are going to pay more for goods and services and our government and large corporations are going to bank the money.   It's just the way it is.

wrc777 wrote:

A lot of people would benefit from working construction for a couple of years just to learn how to do it all themselves. You can save...

A lot of people would benefit from working construction for a couple of years just to learn how to do it all themselves. You can save a lot of money doing those projects yourself vs hiring it out plus you know it will be done right if you do it yourself. A smart person could even set themselves up to run their own business.

The real Sasquatch wrote:

Its funny, I've been in a cycle of being creative artistically and then building or doing mechanical  stuff for most of my life. I bounce back...

Its funny, I've been in a cycle of being creative artistically and then building or doing mechanical  stuff for most of my life. I bounce back and forth and lately I have been looking at buying a mini excavator to use for my property. And have been going back and forth between getting one good enough for the little I'll use it. And getting a newer , better machine and renting it out to help offset its cost.  When I was a little kid, my Grandmother and I played a game called Mr. Jones. And it was a gravel pit and equipment rental place.  

I am glad I learned what I learned. And I enjoy doing it every so often so it works out well that I have a property that needs improvements. It also came in handy when I helped my Mother flip her mothers house and save her some stress and money.

 

I think that some of the trouble my friends have with finding people to work is because of so many people just starting their own business.  Starting a construction company is easier than ever ( depending on what trade You are planning on doing). A handyman style start to becoming a builder, landscaper start to excavation. You can google how to do the business side of stuff and if You are skilled enough with the segment of construction You want to do start posting photos and videos of the work You do and it can be enough to get You going. With it being easier now than in the past to get the info needed to start ,and easier and cheaper to advertise . Insurance might be the biggest barrier to a person starting out. The cost of insurance has gone insane and would be one of the biggest expenses for somebody starting out that already has tools and knows their trade. I remember my bosses insurance on our brand new Cat 320 , 20 years ago. a 170k machine at the time, was not much more than what I pay for the insurance on my mothers 21 year old Jeep with a book value of $4-5k  and 4 accidents between us both over the span of my lifetime and driving less than 10k miles per year. Now that I think of it, some regulation of insurance companies might help bring costs down.

 

  But with tariffs raising costs on everything's replacements, I am sure insurance will also go up.  

8500rpm wrote:

As you wrote "with finding people to work is because of so many people just starting their own business."Out of curiosity and myself being in the...

As you wrote "with finding people to work is because of so many people just starting their own business."

Out of curiosity and myself being in the Tech industry and reading about big layoffs in Tech in the US (and elsewhere),  , if you do that within construction/excavation will you pretty much have customers right away or will the first years be a struggle? Not asking for a friend, not asking for myself... just curious. Especially with 'AI taking jobs' my own theory is 'blue collar' workers will become the new affluent middle class and the white collar crowd who excel at political games will not be the winners, they will be replaced by AI.

 

Tokyo_Tiddler wrote:

I would much rather be out riding my bike or tinkering in the garage than posting about US government policy on a dirt bike forum, but...

I would much rather be out riding my bike or tinkering in the garage than posting about US government policy on a dirt bike forum, but this topic is so incredibly huge and I still see a few Vital members who think that the end result is maybe they may have to pay a few hundred dollars more for their next new dirt bike or that a little pain now will be well worth the future outcome. Nothing could be further from the truth.  The pain is going to get much bigger real fast and effect a lot of people’s ability to pay their rent and feed their families. On top of that, it is also bringing us much closer to a war with our long-time allies than many people might imagine. Very sorry for the long-winded post, but here it goes…

Several people already posted that the placard that Trump held up in his press conference to insinuate that all these countries were screwing us over was a complete lie. The lefthand column was not tariffs imposed on the US at all, but a misleading calculation related to trade deficits. It has nothing to do with countries trying to screw the US over and more to do with the choices US consumers and US companies make when purchasing goods.

Our former allies see the US making up a complete lie to try and justify slapping huge tariffs on them, and they see this as an act of very malicious aggression by the US.  They feel that the US is trying to destroy their economy and their ability to make a decent living for their families. We can say goodbye to US exports to these countries, as the boycott of US goods will be even worse than the reciprocal tariffs.  In parallel, it was only weeks before that Trump was repeatedly taking about annexing Greenland, Canada and Panama… sovereign countries and two of them are NATO countries. Not only is a severe animosity toward the US building up among the other democratic countries that have long been the strongest economies in the world, it is happening super fast… over just a period of weeks after the new POTUS was sworn in. If the US uses military force in Greenland or Canada, the NATO countries would have to respond. The bridges of diplomacy and trust have already been seriously burnt in just a few weeks.  We have to ask ourselves seriously why all this is happening.. is it just extremely bad policy making, is the US administration losing its mind, or is something even worse going on to explain these actions?

Firstly, why Greenland, Canada and Panama all of a sudden? It is probably not the argument that POTUS is putting up as an excuse.. the desire to take their natural resources or concern about US security that is being paraded around. This is smoke and mirrors. All this aligns with and makes a lot more sense when put into the perspective of what Putin wants. Putin doesn’t like the NATO base on Greenland or the fact that Russian ships are not allowed to pass through the Panama canal, and just recently (just before Trump started talking about taking Panama by force), Panama put further sanctions on ships that were carrying Russian oil, but flying under a different flag.  This is only an issue for Putin and not at all for the US.  Moreover, for decades, the strong economies and strong alliances across the western democracies has been the disdain of Putin, and he would very much like to weaken and destroy our economic strength and partnership. It is also a blaringly obvious coincidence that the Trump tariffs target so many countries, including Ukraine, but not Russia. I hate conspiracy theories, but there is much too much of a smoking gun here.  Putin’s recent vocal warnings against Trump seizing the Panama canal seems to be a lot of smoke and mirrors, considering these are only an issue for Putin and not the US at all.

Back to the subject of tariffs, last week saw a major drop of the value of the US stock market unprecedently based on the wild whims of one man and not the input of economists or other business experts or congress.  US economists and business leaders are telling us that these tariffs are a very bad thing for the US economy and the global economy even in the long term.  Retirements accounts are getting devastated, US companies will see exports sales dramatically decline and costs will go up, forcing companies to contract their operations and some to fail.  If you think inflation was bad in the last few years, we may expect it to be even worse with these real impacts on production costs. People will lose jobs, businesses will fail, and inflation will skyrocket even more.  The US’s leverage in future trade negotiations is severely weakened as our former allies and trade partners feel they can no longer trust us. These former partners will form beneficial agreements with each other and exclude the US. It is a lose-lose situation for the US that only gets worse over time.

It doesn’t matter if you are MAGA or a liberal.. and at this moment it doesn’t matter if you believe it is just a bad policy move by the current administration or that POTUS is deliberately crashing the US and global economies at the behest of Putin.  We need to make our voices heard immediately to stop these unjustified, maligned tariff policies before even more damage is done.

nate 415 wrote:

Japan has a 25% on U.S. vehicles.  

nate 415 wrote:

Japan has a 25% on U.S. vehicles.  

Tokyo_Tiddler wrote:

I going to repeat this again because I just noticed that someone has been deleting some of my posts revealing how the premise of the US...

I going to repeat this again because I just noticed that someone has been deleting some of my posts revealing how the premise of the US tariffs are a complete lie and very dangerous. The data I cite are easily verifiable and it's disgusting that someone would go as far as censuring this information.

Japan has absolutely NO tariffs whatsoever.. NOTHING!.. on US vehicles, while in contrast the US has had tariffs on Japanese vehicles imported into the US for some time. The US has been imposing the following tariffs on Japanese vehicles;

2.5% on Japanese passenger vehicles

25% on Japanese trucks

2% on Japanese buses

Japan has also gone out of its way to build product plants in the US that have provided US jobs and tax revenue to appease the US.

So the reality is actually the opposite of what POTUS is telling you.

Same for Canada which is one of the least protectionist countries and in fact, the US has had higher average tariff rates than Canada.  The tariffs that Canada has had on things like dairy products are only applied on import volume above a certain a certain quota and very loosely enforced. Canada has been a good trading partner and an ally that has always been by our side.

What potus is saying is completely false, and even when a reporter asked him again last week, who pays the tariff, he repeated that the other countries pay the tariff which we should all know by now is not true whatsoever.

Let's see if this post gets deleted again.

Last2Stroke wrote:

Some people won't believe you, they only believe the propaganda being fed to them.Below is a link to the Japanese governments tariffs for vehicles.Tanks and armored...

Some people won't believe you, they only believe the propaganda being fed to them.

Below is a link to the Japanese governments tariffs for vehicles.

Tanks and armored vehicles are the only vehicles that have tariffs...

https://www.customs.go.jp/english/tariff/2025_04_01/data/e_87.htm

Last2Stroke wrote:

Some people won't believe you, they only believe the propaganda being fed to them.Below is a link to the Japanese governments tariffs for vehicles.Tanks and armored...

Some people won't believe you, they only believe the propaganda being fed to them.

Below is a link to the Japanese governments tariffs for vehicles.

Tanks and armored vehicles are the only vehicles that have tariffs...

https://www.customs.go.jp/english/tariff/2025_04_01/data/e_87.htm

burn1986 wrote:

What is the propaganda being fed?

Beagle wrote:

March 31st the Office of the United States Trade Representative (USTR) submitted the 2025 National Trade Estimate (NTE) to President Trump and Congress.https://ustr.gov/about/policy-offices/press-office/press-releases/2025/march/ustr-releases-2025-national-trade-estimate-reportIn it...

March 31st the Office of the United States Trade Representative (USTR) submitted the 2025 National Trade Estimate (NTE) to President Trump and Congress.

https://ustr.gov/about/policy-offices/press-office/press-releases/2025/march/ustr-releases-2025-national-trade-estimate-report

In it you can find everything about tariffs, trade barriers and so on. For instance Vietnam applies average 12% tariff, EU 5%.

April 2nd Trump presents his big boards to the world, with left column entitled "Tariffs charged to the USA including currency manipulation and trade barriers". Vietnam is listed as charging 90% tariff, EU at 39% and so on.

One hour later the calculation is deciphered by randos on twitter, surprise surprise, it has nothing to do with tariffs.

April 3rd USTR recognizes that these so-called tariffs were indeed calculated only based on trade deficit, which explains why they're 5 to 20 times higher than the real tariffs applied by most countries. Tariffs are not taken into account in the formula used to calculate tariffs presented by Trump and used as a justification to raise insanely high so-called "discounted reciprocal tariffs".

https://ustr.gov/issue-areas/reciprocal-tariff-calculations

Trump and US government keep doubling down on claims about foreign countries, "worst offenders" raping, abusing, ripping off the US for too long while they know their numbers don't show anything of the sort since they're just about trade deficit. Which means US buys more from Vietnam than Vietnam buys from US. They can't explain what's wrong with that nor why imposing tariffs on the very modest Vietnam exports to US could help balance the trade (meaning 100M Vietnamese with an average salary of $600 could now somehow buy more US products like $150 trainers or $40k American cars)

Now ask yourself, how many people believe Vietnam applies 90% tariff to rip off the US VS how many people know Vietnam applies 12% tariff?

How many people believe EU rips off the US VS how many people know EU applies very moderate tariffs (between 1 and 5%) and that US make more money tariffing the EU than the other way round?

ns503 wrote:

US did not get fked by tariffs.  That is POTUS kool-aid talk. 

It is about to get seriously fked by said POTUS's words and actions.