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Shirley....you jest....
Otherwise:
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The 10 fastest riders are never on the track at the same time because 250s get almost as much airtime as 450s, and winning on 250 earns more than 10th on 450. These are professionals - they follow the money.
More time on 450 coverage.
20-rider gate in football and baseball stadiums. 22 riders going 26 laps with 50s lap times never worked. Take the riders that end up lapped 3 times off before the first turn pileup.
Some will disagree but the AMA, riders and Fled need to sit down and figure out how to slow down the bikes. i would suggest dumping all electronic aids, getting rid of the steel starting grids, adding intake restrictors (until smaller displacement classes are in place). Move back towards as 125 class and the 250 class would be the premier class which would include 2 strokes. A way to slow down both current classes is to bring the db level down 4 db. Airvests like they use in Rally racing should be mandatory. And stop manicuring the tracks as well as stop steam type rolliing the whoops. The tracks need to break in to slow the speeds.
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Seems like I hear a lot about providing jobs for riders and mechanics. Is Feld in the business of job creation or putting on the best possible racing series? Im sorry but everyone of the premier class guys should be able to go the distance on the lead lap. 250 should be the proving grounds and not retirement home.😂
Bring back 125's 2 strokes Only for 125 Class and 250F or 250 2-stroke for 250 Class in Supercross. Multiple things would happen:
-The slower speed bikes will be safer and more fun to watch.
-Riders wont hang in the 125 class so long because they're so underpowered for their weight.
-2 strokes will be Great Again!
-The racing would be cheaper for the Teams to fund. (Bobby could hire 25 riders)
-MFG's can re-release 2 strokes and update the tech but still making it more affordable for racers to get back into the sport.
Anybody have sales data of 250f vs 450f ?
But they can still score points so your argument has no merit.
Yeah but no one ever said that dudes who just start last get removed from the race either like your post either. I also am not arguing to remove lappers nor removing their ability to score points, so maybe learn to read better.
I still can't think of anyone to get lapped and get back "to the front of the pack" either.
But they still don't have to un-lap themselves or even make it back to the front of the pack to score points so their race isnt "pretty much over"
Yes, in terms of the 250 class the problems are all due to the incentives structure. The two coasts thing means more main event exposure opportunities, which means high salaries for the top 250 class riders, which leads to sandbaggers like Old J Hampshire, Geriatric Smith, and so on. I don't believe in salary caps etc, so the only other option is aging out rules. The problem is no 250 team will be onboard with this because of the aforementioned incentives. They don't care if Hampshire is pushing his zimmer frame around the track if he can still win.
I agree something needs to change. The 250 class has turned into a nice pay cheque for the “not quite good enough” guys. That was, and should not be, the intention. The point out rule is clearly ineffectual. Either make it bite, or just implement an age rule, or perhaps just max number of seasons in the class. 4 or 5 years and that’s it.
Make the premier class 250 works bikes. Scrap the production rule. The manufacturers won’t let it happen, as it will kill 450 sales, but something has to change. The bikes are too capable for the tracks and more importantly, the human body. The injuries to the major stars are not good for the sport.
The lower class, 250 with an effective stock rule. Stock suspension, stock motors (pipe, ignition air box mods only, no mechanical motor mods). I think if you do this you can keep 2 coasts, as non factory guys will have a chance.
Today the two 250 series’ is just stupid. It’s just motocross’s version of welfare.
Feld is in the business of making the most money they can for Feld. If a good show is a by product that's nice to have but not their first priority. Rather than thinking of it as providing jobs for riders and mechanics, I'd think about it as getting more of the $ generated into the hands of the riders taking the risks to put themselves out there.
I don’t agree - you don’t sell $200 tickets for a shit performance - they are incentivized to produce.
Ah yes the old 250 age rule, what a great idea. We’ve seen how amazingly that has turned out in the MXGP series
So if Jet and Sexton go down on the 1st lap then after the 2nd lap when they are in last you want to pull them ?????
Bring back hay bales
I've thought for a while they should have 3 classes with different sets of rules.
Have a rookie 250 class that's maybe split between east and west. Class is designated for kids racing their first 2 years. It's a spec class, so modifications are very limited to keep cost down.
Then the veteran 250 class kinda the way it is now, but not split between coast.
450 class would be open to works bikes again and open rules for fuel
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I like the excitement of seeing the new racers in the east race the first time. Like a mini A1.
Would be good to have a one race allowance in West so if you get hurt at least you’ve got nearly a month to recover and race East. Not a lot of time but maybe enough to not throw away a whole season. Would create other problems like a crowded A1 but East is loaded this year.
What if the east and west ran 7 races each, for a regional champ. then the top 10 or 12 of each ran a combined final 6 races to determine a single 250 champ???
It's not about unlapping yourself, it's about a top rider being in last and hypothetically getting the boot, when they would have ended up scoring some points, then those points making the difference between winning and losing a championship. Nobody wants that scenario, which means that what's actually happening is that people are trying to shape the rules to give them the results they want, but it's impossible, because each "new" idea is a sword that cuts both ways. The answer is to deal with the imperfections, because they're better than these things that have already come up five thousand times in the past.
So we're going up to 20 rounds total then?
Yes as we do now. We run 17 then 3 smx = 20 races
Exactly. The list of really talented riders careers being over at the age of 23 is really long here in Europe.
I don't see the point of 'fixing' this sport all the time. The amount of factory and factory supported rides in both classes is big. Last year we had a SX race in 450s with around 17-18 riders in the same lap. We have a few riders injured this year due to freak circumstances, that's unfortunately part of our sport.
It has, everyone in the 450 class is World Class.
Nope
-change SX to 250 only. 450s stay as the outdoor premier class.
SX feeder (current 250 class)-stock 250s other than ergos (bars, pegs, etc) and springs/revalves. Stock motors, no coatings/etc, other than OE.
Premier SX (current 450s)-250s as well but anything goes. Either allow the current factory 250s or ditch the production rule entirely.
Honest question how many of the riders that make a 450 main have the fitness to run the pace for the whole race?
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