Tarrifs

TeamGreen wrote:

Ohhh…Take Off, eh…Hoser! 
 

olds cool wrote:

Aannnd Trudeau just folded…

Two in one day!

All of you ladies can take a breath now.

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

 

mx617 wrote:

And by folded you mean did nothing else other than what was announced in December already and trump can pretend he's the big man and take...

And by folded you mean did nothing else other than what was announced in December already and trump can pretend he's the big man and take credit? Strange definition of folded you have there 😂😂😂😂

olds cool wrote:

Aannnd Trudeau just folded…

Two in one day!

All of you ladies can take a breath now.

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

 

M1000 wrote:

All justin Trudeau had to do was have a direct discussion with the trucker protestors. The incident would have ended within a week. Instead Justin Trudeau...

All justin Trudeau had to do was have a direct discussion with the trucker protestors. The incident would have ended within a week. Instead Justin Trudeau failed to address the issue.  Justin vacated Ottawa, let the  city try deal with federal issues. Complete failure by Liberal federal government. Now he has done it again by refusing to have man to man talk with Trump. Guess what Alberta Premier smith has more balz than Justin Trudeau. She had brief discussion with Trump administration and resulted reduced tariffs on energy from 25% to 10%. While Team Canada lost at 25% tariff. Retaliatory idiots like Doug ford achieve nothing. So now Trump has second discussion with the Trudeau group. As of yesterday, the Trudeau group took a Daniel Smith approach (dialogue), and recognized dialogue is required ( something complete missing in this federal liberal government with the truckers protest, and Donald tariff discussions). Plus we have prorogued government, without any debate on this tariff discussions. Just adhoc team Canada liberals, NDP deciding what’s best for Canada? Where conservative voice? Western Canada has almost all conservatives, no liberals. Yet conservatives aren’t at negotiation table. This is why Canada needs separation. Western Canada, Eastern Canada. 

MPJC wrote:

I mentioned in my posts about the silliness of claiming trade deficits as a justification for tariffs that it could make some sense to use the...

I mentioned in my posts about the silliness of claiming trade deficits as a justification for tariffs that it could make some sense to use the threat of tariffs as an incentive to get us on board with border security measures, so I'm not entirely surprised to see how this has played out. But this needs to be all put in context, and the context is filled out by considering what really matters to Trump.

Trump is concerned, above all else, with optics. He wants to dominate the news cycle, and come across as tough. This has fulfilled that objective in spades. He appears to have bullied Mexico and Canada into giving him what he wants. That does not mean that these same measures could not have been agreed to by more standard, behind the scenes diplomacy. But more standard means wouldn't serve Trump's purposes. He's cultivating an image - both domestically and in the mind of other world leaders. 

Consider that blanket tariffs really make little sense. Targeted tariffs make a lot of sense. If you have a resource domestically that is being underutilized because it is being bought cheaply from foreigners, then you can slap a tariff on that product to incentivize buying from your own domestic suppliers. But blanket tariffs aren't like that. Let's say we in Canada put a tariff on American oranges. That's pointless. Where the fuck are we going to get oranges domestically? The lesson here has to be - as far as I can tell - that the threat of blanket tariffs is intended to serve some other purpose that goes beyond trade. In the current case, those purposes are both border security and Trump's ego, and I'm not sure in which order.

One consequence, however, is that all of the bluster stirs up patriotic sentiments here (and, I would think, in Mexico). My wife was telling me this morning that list of Canadian alternatives to American products are circulating on social media and that she - along with many others - will go out of her way to buy Canadian products regardless of cost. I don't know how widespread that will be or for how long, but Trump may have succeeded in achieving some of the effects of tariffs on American goods in Canada despite there not being any actual tariffs. I doubt that that will cause significant, measurable economic pain in the U.S., but it could be great for Canadian businesses and certainly isn't helpful for American businesses. 

My hope is that everyone fulfills their agreed to obligations and this all goes away. I like orange juice. I may even still buy American bourbon - though maybe not yet. 

Philo Beddoe wrote:

I shudder to think what the boycott you and your wife are initiating will do to our country. please reconsider.

jjavaman wrote:

 90% of Canadians live within 150 miles of the US border, 1000’s upon 1000’s cross the border everyday to get cheaper gas, groceries etc. I live...

 90% of Canadians live within 150 miles of the US border, 1000’s upon 1000’s cross the border everyday to get cheaper gas, groceries etc. I live 2 minutes away and until last month took both our vehicles across the border ever week to get gas, that’s not happening anymore. 

TeamGreen wrote:

Ohhh…Take Off, eh…Hoser! 
 

Philo Beddoe wrote:

Bonus points if you heard Geddy Lee in the background. 

LoudLove wrote:

Fun fact:  Geddy’s highest-charting song was “Take Off”…

bonseff wrote:

bonseff wrote:

HonDawg17 wrote:

That's who they export to...not what we import. This just proves Canada needs the USA more than we need them.

inflammable wrote:

Why can't Canadians elect good representatives, like these two :

Why can't Canadians elect good representatives, like these two :

inflammable wrote:

Why can't Canadians elect good representatives, like these two :

Why can't Canadians elect good representatives, like these two :

M1000 wrote:

Why that’s Rollerball Ross Pederson, and sidekick Zoli Berenyi Jr. 🏁

mx617 wrote:

Definitely, no one's come close since. At least we have a 3 party (3.5 if you include the bloc) so it's rare any one party gets...

Definitely, no one's come close since. At least we have a 3 party (3.5 if you include the bloc) so it's rare any one party gets too much control. 

I wish sometimes we could just start from scratch and create a fiscally conservative yet socially liberal party. 

Darrin Willis wrote:

Outside of a few far right nut jobs our conservative party is socially liberal.Polieve needs to keep these few in check. Keep religion out of politics...

Outside of a few far right nut jobs our conservative party is socially liberal.Polieve needs to keep these few in check. Keep religion out of politics and kick anyone out the second they mention pro life.

inflammable wrote:

Pro choice is also a human rights argument, not solely a religious argument. Edited to add:I see you are also afraid of free speech. You must love...

Pro choice is also a human rights argument, not solely a religious argument. 

Edited to add:

I see you are also afraid of free speech. You must love Turdeau. 

Darrin Willis wrote:

Outside of a few far right nut jobs our conservative party is socially liberal.Polieve needs to keep these few in check. Keep religion out of politics...

Outside of a few far right nut jobs our conservative party is socially liberal.Polieve needs to keep these few in check. Keep religion out of politics and kick anyone out the second they mention pro life.

inflammable wrote:

Pro choice is also a human rights argument, not solely a religious argument. Edited to add:I see you are also afraid of free speech. You must love...

Pro choice is also a human rights argument, not solely a religious argument. 

Edited to add:

I see you are also afraid of free speech. You must love Turdeau. 

Darrin Willis wrote:

I have an almost unhealthy hatred towards potatoe head. I just want the conservatives to win. They will easily if they keep the few idiots in...

I have an almost unhealthy hatred towards potatoe head. I just want the conservatives to win. They will easily if they keep the few idiots in there caucus from opening there mouths about Jesus and the upcoming rapture.  Canada leans left. Has for decades. Its very easy to turn a potential conservative voter into a hater. 

TeamGreen wrote:

Again…”Not Getting It Exemplar!”

Dude, it’s almost like you’re doing it on purpose.

“Hey, I don’t agree with these people; so, it’s O.K. when my government shits them.”

BH_84 wrote:

The truckers getting booted out of Ottawa had nothing to do with what they were saying and everything to do with the fact they took over...

The truckers getting booted out of Ottawa had nothing to do with what they were saying and everything to do with the fact they took over and shut down an entire city while being funded by foreign donors. You know people live in Ottawa right? You know they were blaring truck horns at all hours right? It was less of a protest and more of a massive street party that was forced on the entire population. 

M1000 wrote:

All justin Trudeau had to do was have a direct discussion with the trucker protestors. The incident would have ended within a week. Instead Justin Trudeau...

All justin Trudeau had to do was have a direct discussion with the trucker protestors. The incident would have ended within a week. Instead Justin Trudeau failed to address the issue.  Justin vacated Ottawa, let the  city try deal with federal issues. Complete failure by Liberal federal government. Now he has done it again by refusing to have man to man talk with Trump. Guess what Alberta Premier smith has more balz than Justin Trudeau. She had brief discussion with Trump administration and resulted reduced tariffs on energy from 25% to 10%. While Team Canada lost at 25% tariff. Retaliatory idiots like Doug ford achieve nothing. So now Trump has second discussion with the Trudeau group. As of yesterday, the Trudeau group took a Daniel Smith approach (dialogue), and recognized dialogue is required ( something complete missing in this federal liberal government with the truckers protest, and Donald tariff discussions). Plus we have prorogued government, without any debate on this tariff discussions. Just adhoc team Canada liberals, NDP deciding what’s best for Canada? Where conservative voice? Western Canada has almost all conservatives, no liberals. Yet conservatives aren’t at negotiation table. This is why Canada needs separation. Western Canada, Eastern Canada. 

TeamGreen wrote:

Oh, shit! The Québécois don’t like Trump?

WOW! That really makes me reconsider EVERYTHING! 🤣

TeamGreen wrote:

Oh, shit! The Québécois don’t like Trump?

WOW! That really makes me reconsider EVERYTHING! 🤣

Jarid332 wrote:

 Quebecers only like themselves

TeamGreen wrote:

Oh, shit! The Québécois don’t like Trump?

WOW! That really makes me reconsider EVERYTHING! 🤣

Jarid332 wrote:

 Quebecers only like themselves

TeamGreen wrote:

Remember when Cristophe went to Quebec? “What is that you are speaking? It’s not French!” 🤣

TeamGreen wrote:

Oh, shit! The Québécois don’t like Trump?

WOW! That really makes me reconsider EVERYTHING! 🤣

bonseff wrote:

Taxing the church seems like an easy revenue stream win here. Specifically Texas mega churches. Have at it I say.

bonseff wrote:

Taxing the church seems like an easy revenue stream win here. Specifically Texas mega churches. Have at it I say.

bonseff wrote:

Taxing the church seems like an easy revenue stream win here. Specifically Texas mega churches. Have at it I say.

APLMAN99 wrote:

I’m not endorsing taxing churches necessarily, but I have to admit that just seeing some of the ‘medium sized’ churches here makes me believe that they...

I’m not endorsing taxing churches necessarily, but I have to admit that just seeing some of the ‘medium sized’ churches here makes me believe that they should change their deity to God Inc. !

bonseff wrote:

Taxing the church seems like an easy revenue stream win here. Specifically Texas mega churches. Have at it I say.

TeamGreen wrote:

Have you run this by the Vatican? 

bonseff wrote:

Taxing the church seems like an easy revenue stream win here. Specifically Texas mega churches. Have at it I say.

TeamGreen wrote:

Have you run this by the Vatican? 

bonseff wrote:

I am in negotiations with the Pope. He is leaning towards an OK but is countering with tax write-offs for 'diddlin litigation' fees and subsequent judgements...

I am in negotiations with the Pope. He is leaning towards an OK but is countering with tax write-offs for 'diddlin litigation' fees and subsequent judgements. So. it's prolly going to be a wash.

TeamGreen wrote:

Oh, shit! The Québécois don’t like Trump?

WOW! That really makes me reconsider EVERYTHING! 🤣

M1000 wrote:

Quebec is interesting province. On one side you have Bloc Québécois ( separatists), they are like many of us whom want to be a republic. Than...

Quebec is interesting province. On one side you have Bloc Québécois ( separatists), they are like many of us whom want to be a republic. Than you have the laurentian mafia group ( these guys control canada). They pick there liberal leaders ( Justin Trudeau, Mark Carney, Christina Freeland, Pierre Trudeau, Paul Martin, John Chretien, Even conservatives Brian Mulroney), they hate western Canadians. This is why nothing is ever unified across nation like pipelines. You need to go to right schools, speak French, English, hang with right kids to fit in this group. All mainstream media in Canada controlled by the laurentian mafia. They hate Republicans, and especially Donald Trump. Because they don’t want change, disruption there power. However Donald is creating a new omelette, and breaking a few eggs. 
 https://c2cjournal.ca/2019/11/fbp-the-laurentian-elite-canadas-ruling-class/