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Either way, if this continues to happen, tracks will close, or the cost will skyrocket till the tracks have to close, Pretty soon the only place that you will be allowed to ride is at home , then if the ins companies say no to paying for an at home bike crash, then bikes will all be gone.
Well Social Media isn’t helping. Not hard for an underwriter to view insta-crashes at nearly every facility.
Soon they will be limiting jump heights, take-off angles, gaps etc… get ready for a lot of tracks going “Vet”.
My experience with lawyers and motocross tracks was after my botched femur repair. Everyone was telling me get a lawyer that's malpractice etc etc. When the process started it became clear no lawyer was going to go after a doctor unless I was dead from their mistake. But once the lawyer latched onto what happened and how, he was chomping at the bit to go after Perris. "Okaay so the flagger left his post and failed to warn you of the downed motorcycle on the track" "So this could have been prevented and was caused by negligence" I don't remember the exact terminology, but it was question after question that had nothing to do with the F'ed up surgery I called him about. Just how and why the injury happed. In the end I finally told them look the injury was MY fault, I'm over 60 and signed up for a motocross race, that's 100% on me. Nevermind HOW I got hurt, this doc F'ed me, lets talk about that. That's why I called. Nope, they weren't interested. In the end I said ok thanks for your help, I'll NEVER go after the track, promoter, flagger, or anyone other than the hack surgeon who butchered my leg so I guess this is good bye. And then I hoped to god he dropped it and didn't pursue it any further. I did not want to be the guy to get another track closed down. Moral of the story ? Fuck lawyers. Once they're involved you don't have any say on who's getting sue'd for what. The answer is everybody they can for everything they can think of. Fuck lawyers.
um....I was not directing my post at you.....but at rooster....
and I agree completely about lawyers, except if I needed one I would make an appointment with the plantiff's counsel that I had to defend against in one lawsuit. Dude made my life miserable for over a year.
I would want him to do the same against an adversary and would sit back and go "that's right MFer, go get 'em"..
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It is tragic and sad but people like you the sport can do without.
Oh yeah I know, I was just trying to clarify your reply to Rogers that no, you don't get to pick and choose who's getting named in the lawsuit. Once the balls rolling you don't have to control to say ok, I want to sue the riders (parents ?) , but not the track... At least not the guy I talked to. He was asking about the track, the club (otmx), the flagger, the release I signed, the hot dog lady, the guy driving the water truck. He was actually making me mad, I wasn't kidding when I said I was worried I might've sicked a ptibull on the track. Thank god the whole thing went nowhere
What’s this all about? https://www.roadracingworld.com/news/no-motocross-lawsuit-found-in-riverside-county-superior-court-records/
No evidence of a lawsuit used as an excuse to close the motocross track in Lake Elsinore was found in Riverside County Superior Court records on Monday, November 4th. Roadracing World Editor at Large Michael Gougis, a former newspaper reporter covering court cases (and currently a college journalism professor), looked at the court’s online records today and found nothing.
Gougis reported, “An electronic search of the civil cases filed in the Superior Court of California, County of Riverside, revealed no litigation with the name of the deceased child. There were no civil cases with the child’s last name and the name of the track, and the last case with the track’s name was filed in 2017.”
The Lake Elsinore track is located in Riverside County.
THIS JUST IN:
A person who identified himself as being Pat Fowler from Lake Elsinore MX Circuit called the Roadracing World office and said he wanted to talk about a press release. He was told that he needed to to talk to an editor and would get a call back. When Michael Gougis called him back, Fowler said he had been served papers, but declined to provide any further details, declined to provide the name of the law firm representing the track, and when asked to send copies of the papers he had been served, said “That’s none of your business” and hung up. A call back to the number was not answered. We will provide more information as it becomes available.
You know that you can ride places other than a track, right?
We are friends w brooke, the girl killed in this accident. She was 9 years old my son went to school w her, and I actually sold her the bike she was killed on. It was my sons bike. First off they are a great family, and her dad does not blame the kid that hit her at all. He told me the kid was learning to ride, and basically had no where to ride because there is no in between track. It was either kids track or vet, and the kid was scared to get on the vet. He is actually advocating for a 65/85 track for kids to ride. Same situation as pala, my kid(on a 65) is too fast for kids track and it bores him but I wont let him ride vet unless no big bikes are on the track. So what do you do?? The family is now getting hateful messages and even threats and They have said they are not suing the track so its not them. Again this family is amazing great people. I had heard about 2 years ago amazon had purchased the land to be a distribution center and the tracks days were numbered anyway. Anyway its a tragic sad situation but hopefully this helps some of the hearsay.
The kid on the full size bike who wouldn't leave the track (nor his parents) are being blamed at all? Interesting...
There's so much wrong with this it kind of boggles my mind. All it boils down to is that kid did not belong on the kids track with his big bike, period. The entitlement of believing you belong there because you're new is complete bullshit. My dad would have beat me half to death if I killed someone in the manner this accident occurred.
What do you do? As a parent you take your kid out to the wide open desert or whatever local OHV area you have and let them figure shit out there first. Kids learning how to ride a dirtbike (in general) at a motocross track is fucking dumb.
This was a completely avoidable tragedy where another track gets fucked. I don't doubt that the parents of the little girl aren't suing. They sound like good people. Insurance companies and lawyers don't give a shit though.
They just canceled the Elsinore Grand Prix....
I actually disagree with a 65/85/125 track. 125’s may be lighter, but it’s still a full size bike on the track with young children. As much as I disliked sitting around between riding sessions, splitting practices is the best option. Not perfect when a track is only open for a 4 hour window but in the name of safety it is the best option we have.
The mayor of Elsinore has said those plans for any development or Amazon warehouse fell through 2 years ago and that it is a rumor that is false. So the tracks days weren’t numbered, just wanted to clarify. Also don’t care if the 13 y.o kid was scared he can play a ball sport or learn to ride somewhere else that doesn’t have jumps. The vet track was a great place to learn, so is a field or El Mirage or somewhere like that.
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Comments from Lake Elsinore Mayor Steve Manos, as posted on the Whats Up Lake Elsinore Facebook page:
Very unfortunate chain of events… absolutely terrible news.
I have to make a few corrections to the comments on here that are incorrect, rumors, or flat out lies.
1. The City doesn’t own the land that the motocross sits on.
2. The application for a warehouse on that site is dead.
3. When the recent owner approached the City about a development (the logistic space), in addition to expressing serious concerns about traffic mitigation, the City had made it clear that the motocross track was important to the community and that any development should include a plan to relocate the track.
4. This closure announcement was a surprise to the City. We didn’t see it coming.
5. The City is not a party to the lawsuit.
6. The City is not a party to the motocross track’s business operations outside of being a regulatory agency.
7. I personally have no personal business connection to the land owner or business operator. Never have. This can be tracked through 700 filings.
8. The motocross track operator leased their space from the land owner… the owner could’ve shut them down a long time ago. My understanding is that this is an unexpected loss of operating revenue for the land owner.
9. There’s nothing approved to replace the motocross track any time soon. Any project would take at least two years to go through planning. Site might sit for a decade.
10. Motocross is part of the DNA of the City of Lake Elsinore. It’s part of the reason we adopted the Dream Extreme motto. Not a good day.
This is a loss for the operator, land owner, City residents, and… most of all… the family for the little girl that lost her life. Just a tragedy all around. We’ll discuss internally, but this is a private operation… I’m not sure what the city can do to help.
Already some Cleanup in this thread wonder who's being protected track operator or landowner?
The track's main IG is gone now too.
Yes I actually shouldnt have included the 125's in that. The best option is split practices but they dont seem to do that in so cal. My son on a 65 skill wise is fine on the vet, he can do the jumps and pretty fast in the corners but I just wont take the risk of him being hit or landed on by a big bike. Again I mainly posted this because someone is spreading misinformation about a lawsuit that if true would only be her family, but since it isnt true and they are getting harrassed and threatened is bordering on criminal.
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ummm...I know exactly how the legal system works, You missed my point but I'm not surprised. Its best if you don't make assumptions, then you won't look unintelligent like you do now, lol.
So to recap, more socal track drama that people in the know know all about but won't just spill it and instead will leave for some random website or cooksey to get enough of the story right that the people who do know will eventually be forced to just be honest about it all two weeks later like they should have done in the first place.
ML might have more info in this, but at some point, there was talk about re-locating Elsinore motocross to another part of the city some time back when they thought the land was going to be developed into Amazon warehouses.
I know that the city of Lake Elsinore is a big backer of the track staying in the city, it's great to see local government actually wants a moto track.
I have been getting IG DM's from people all over Europe wondering why this happened, as a lot of them vacation here and just love Elsinore, so it seems this place will be missed by riders world wide...
Hopefully this is not the ultimate end of Moto in that city.
It kinda of sucks that tracks around here don’t split practice, at least on the vet. As my kids are growing and trying to move from mini tracks to vet tracks to main it’s been very difficult and intimidating. It should be in the tracks best interest to help these kids (or newbies) grow and get comfortable in the safest possible environment.
Thanks for posting that. The fact that the family of the girl has let the kid on the 125 "off the hook" so to speak, says a lot about their character. I truly hope the word gets out to whatever assholes feel the need to add insult to injury by sending hateful messages and threats to a family that's already suffered the tragic loss of a child. They've been through the worst thing a family can go through, and now they have to listen to that kind of bullshit ? It makes me sick to my stomach honestly. Talk about the lowest form of life on this planet, what an embarrassment to the whole moto community, I don't care if they were suing the track or not. That's the most fucked up cold hearted shit I've heard in awhile. Thoughts and prayers out to both families and thanks again for clearing that up. RIP Brooke
How do you know that, I was there yesterday and they told me they were still having the GP?
Unfortunately, building a track elsewhere is a no go.
The owner wants to sell the land but only someone with money to burn like Amazon can afford to buy it because they have to elevate the dirt to get a permit to build on it, and the cost to elevate the dirt is high, so it will most likely sit there for years to come.
If the City or the County had enough money and enough desire, they could buy it and run the track.
A group of us is considering asking the owner if he might at least be interested in occasionally renting out the Vet track, but we are not optimistic about him doing that.
They also said they were being sued and that’s why they had to shut the track down. That was also a lie. Whoever was running that place just got caught up in a huge lie and is deleting everything and having people clean up threads on here for him. Always a bummer such shifty people have ran that place even since the early days
Ya that’s crazy if the lawsuit really is a lie. The story of LEMX closing has made headlines all over the country. If someone is a liar and their lie made national news I could see why said liar would try hard to cover it up.
Zaca Station went away too and going back a bit further....Castaic (Shane Trittler's project)
Then you've got really old ones like De Anza.
Between lawsuits, population growth (sprawl), modern day kids preferring screentime, and barriers to entry ($$$), it's hard to envision this trend (track closures) reversing.
I do know that, but I also know land that I use to ride on as a kid is now gone and not many public riding areas left
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