Things Feld can take from WSX

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Edited Date/Time 11/3/2024 6:31am

Just watched the Vancouver round the other day. Couple things really stood out to me that Feld could adopt. 

Less tuff blox. WSX uses far less tuff blox. Riders have a little more space and it seems like they try to avoid putting them on the downside of a landing. Much better and it actually looks safer to me, don’t care if they are cardboard or foam. 

Rolling the whoops.  Yes more then 9 is great. But they actually maintain them throughout the night. I don’t recall this happening in recent years in Feld’s series. I think the lack of maintenance in the Feld series is what leads to the crashes, not the number of whoops.  

 

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soggy wrote:
Just watched the Vancouver round the other day. Couple things really stood out to me that Feld could adopt. Less tuff blox. WSX uses far less tuff...

Just watched the Vancouver round the other day. Couple things really stood out to me that Feld could adopt. 

Less tuff blox. WSX uses far less tuff blox. Riders have a little more space and it seems like they try to avoid putting them on the downside of a landing. Much better and it actually looks safer to me, don’t care if they are cardboard or foam. 

Rolling the whoops.  Yes more then 9 is great. But they actually maintain them throughout the night. I don’t recall this happening in recent years in Feld’s series. I think the lack of maintenance in the Feld series is what leads to the crashes, not the number of whoops.  

 

I'd definitely vote for fewer tuff blocks. 

11/3/2024 6:35am

Add a few chaos corners to the tracks! That’s where all the excitement is 

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Add a few chaos corners to the tracks! That’s where all the excitement is 

LOL, that broadcast was a tough listen.. Ralph is so corny.

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I can't remember the interview but McGrath mentioned something along the lines of they should groom the whoops as it would make for better racing. 

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-MAVERICK- wrote:

I can't remember the interview but McGrath mentioned something along the lines of they should groom the whoops as it would make for better racing. 

I'm not sure either.. but it adds up that the most dangerous obstacle is the one that doesn't get any maintenance.  Guys are crashing because the whoops are so cupped out they miss one with their front wheel and its all over after that.

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Is it possible the Feld actually wants more crashes in the whoops?

When you see their advertising  on tv  for Supercross, crashing bikes is mostly what they promote…

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-MAVERICK- wrote:

I can't remember the interview but McGrath mentioned something along the lines of they should groom the whoops as it would make for better racing. 

They should be dozer built, and made so the 3-3-3 is over with.

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Superpole would be terrific.  Not specifically from WSX, but we need it.

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Is it possible the Feld actually wants more crashes in the whoops?When you see their advertising  on tv  for Supercross, crashing bikes is mostly what they...

Is it possible the Feld actually wants more crashes in the whoops?

When you see their advertising  on tv  for Supercross, crashing bikes is mostly what they promote…

they are playing both sides of the fence a bit here.  But I think for sure they want the racers healthy throughout the year.

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-MAVERICK- wrote:

I can't remember the interview but McGrath mentioned something along the lines of they should groom the whoops as it would make for better racing. 

Flatliner wrote:

They should be dozer built, and made so the 3-3-3 is over with.

Angled whoops, similar to the poles you sometimes see on an EnduroCross course, would be pretty interesting for at least one set of them on the track…….

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11/3/2024 10:56am Edited Date/Time 11/3/2024 10:57am

I'd definitely vote for fewer tuff blocks. 

I don’t know if it was good or bad that the tuffblocks are cardboard boxes? According to RC it’s the covers that actually catch the riders’ legs and levers and make them crash. But if you land on cardboard you could theoretically ride away from it as it smashes versus the foam blocks. And I assume much easier to transport flattened boxes. Doesn’t Feld take a semi just of the foam blocks?

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No 40 sec. lap times.

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There is only one thing Feld should take from WSX, and that's the superfinal. 4 times per year, one extra main event with top 14-16 from 450 and top 6-8 from 250.

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The cardboard box covers were a nightmare taking out riders.

 

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11/3/2024 5:40pm

I wish WSX had a way to make the track more defined. I understand not having as many tough blocks for rider safety(???) But visually it reminded me of a practice track at a compound.

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11/3/2024 5:42pm

i think WSX could do with more tough blocks,  not cardboard ones in teh corners,  and the covers caused at least similar issues to tuff blocks, 

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scott_nz wrote:

i think WSX could do with more tough blocks,  not cardboard ones in teh corners,  and the covers caused at least similar issues to tuff blocks, 

It seems like a fair number of crashes in SX are caused by landing on them. At least do away with them in strategic areas imho.

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scott_nz wrote:

i think WSX could do with more tough blocks,  not cardboard ones in teh corners,  and the covers caused at least similar issues to tuff blocks, 

It seems like a fair number of crashes in SX are caused by landing on them. At least do away with them in strategic areas imho.

That’s how I view it. Often times guys are framing there bikes on the tuff block and it sends them into a lawn dart into an oncoming lane or concrete.  

They aren’t a safety feature imo other then to delineate the track lanes. They should never be on the down side of a landing. 

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11/5/2024 1:10pm
-MAVERICK- wrote:

I can't remember the interview but McGrath mentioned something along the lines of they should groom the whoops as it would make for better racing. 

Flatliner wrote:

They should be dozer built, and made so the 3-3-3 is over with.

Dozer whoops are smaller and softer, so they're easier to jump thru and also get rutted easy. Loader whoops are bigger, steeper and packed harder by the loader so they cup out less making it faster if you suck it up and blitz them. Separate the men from the boys. But I agree, Feld & Dirt Wurx could easily just pull maintenance on them and bring back 12+ whoops sections. I'd rather they add 1 hour of maintenance during the night show to make better racing, than watch 20 of the worlds best riders tiptoe thru rut-cross.

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As long as they don't take back Ralph. 

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The last race with the top 8 from the 250 and 450s was pretty cool. Definitely not something feld should do every round, and maybe make there own points for 2-3 races like that a year similar to the triple crown.

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soggy wrote:
Just watched the Vancouver round the other day. Couple things really stood out to me that Feld could adopt. Less tuff blox. WSX uses far less tuff...

Just watched the Vancouver round the other day. Couple things really stood out to me that Feld could adopt. 

Less tuff blox. WSX uses far less tuff blox. Riders have a little more space and it seems like they try to avoid putting them on the downside of a landing. Much better and it actually looks safer to me, don’t care if they are cardboard or foam. 

Rolling the whoops.  Yes more then 9 is great. But they actually maintain them throughout the night. I don’t recall this happening in recent years in Feld’s series. I think the lack of maintenance in the Feld series is what leads to the crashes, not the number of whoops.  

 

I'd definitely vote for fewer tuff blocks. 

I don't know if that's a supercross operations comment or a camouflaged, passive-aggressive grammatical correction, but either way I'm on board with it. 😄

 

11/7/2024 7:56am

I felt WSK social media (I follow on instagram) was much better, far more personable with the racers themselves. Did anyone see the lady during the golf interview call Friese out on taking people out? 😂

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If it’s not raining then add lime. We need more whoops in AMA Supercross . The best part of the night was watching Tomac wheelie through them. 
I would even be for making smaller whoops to see them skim them. I just don’t want to see 3-3-3 at every race. Those aren’t whoops . That is a rhythm section. I’m not saying I don’t ever want to see jumpable whoops. I want to see the tracks vary from race to race. I would like to see a dragons back at a couple of races. Just make them safe.

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soggy wrote:
Just watched the Vancouver round the other day. Couple things really stood out to me that Feld could adopt. Less tuff blox. WSX uses far less tuff...

Just watched the Vancouver round the other day. Couple things really stood out to me that Feld could adopt. 

Less tuff blox. WSX uses far less tuff blox. Riders have a little more space and it seems like they try to avoid putting them on the downside of a landing. Much better and it actually looks safer to me, don’t care if they are cardboard or foam. 

Rolling the whoops.  Yes more then 9 is great. But they actually maintain them throughout the night. I don’t recall this happening in recent years in Feld’s series. I think the lack of maintenance in the Feld series is what leads to the crashes, not the number of whoops.  

 

I'd definitely vote for fewer tuff blocks. 

Falcon wrote:

I don't know if that's a supercross operations comment or a camouflaged, passive-aggressive grammatical correction, but either way I'm on board with it. 😄

 

Full transparency, I almost had a seizure trying to remember if it was tuffblox tuff blox tough blocks or tough blox 

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11/7/2024 10:40am

Superpole would be terrific.  Not specifically from WSX, but we need it.

What is the superpole?  I don't think they showed that on the broadcast?

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Superpole would be terrific.  Not specifically from WSX, but we need it.

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What is the superpole?  I don't think they showed that on the broadcast?

Top 10 qualifiers do a warm up lap and then a solo fast lap for gate pick.  Seeing Tomac etc on the track by himself wide open is badass.  

Paris SX will do it and will be televised.  

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11/7/2024 10:49am Edited Date/Time 11/7/2024 10:50am

Superpole would be terrific.  Not specifically from WSX, but we need it.

RichieW13 wrote:

What is the superpole?  I don't think they showed that on the broadcast?

Top 10 qualifiers do a warm up lap and then a solo fast lap for gate pick.  Seeing Tomac etc on the track by himself wide...

Top 10 qualifiers do a warm up lap and then a solo fast lap for gate pick.  Seeing Tomac etc on the track by himself wide open is badass.  

Paris SX will do it and will be televised.  

Ah, OK.  Yeah, that is cool.  (Of course, they would need to actually broadcast it.)  I used to go to dirt sprint car races and the qualifying was one car at a time doing a fast lap.  It's pretty cool to see one racer on the track at a time going as fast as he can.

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