2024 Kawasaki KX450 and KX450X

9/27/2024 4:06am
Sandusky26 wrote:

I also have shitty luck. My 16 F150 is in the shop for it's second torque converter in 35,000 miles. 

Bummer!  What are you towing with that poor thing?

9/27/2024 4:12am
yz133rider wrote:
I’m heavy as heck and not super slow and I went with racetech recommended rates and then added 7cc to each fork leg and it’s pretty...

I’m heavy as heck and not super slow and I went with racetech recommended rates and then added 7cc to each fork leg and it’s pretty dang good.

Sandusky26 wrote:
I was talking to my other homie. If you're bike feels good then I wouldn't mess with it. I felt the same as Afterbar until I...

I was talking to my other homie. If you're bike feels good then I wouldn't mess with it. I felt the same as Afterbar until I revalved my stuff. I'm on .52's and can bottom when I push, he might need .54's. 

yz133rider wrote:

I wonder what I’m missing sometimes, but have to be  a cheap hippie sometimes

How much do you weight, what class do you race, and what spring rate and oil volume are you running?  I ended up going a fork spring rate stiffer than what RT recommended, and it gave me more plushness in the front end by giving me more holdup.  I’m a big boy myself, as I’m happily running a 6.0 shock spring.  Over the winter I might buy a Gold Valve kit and install it to see what I think, but at this point, the forks don’t bottom and I don’t feel like my suspension is holding me back in any way.

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9/27/2024 5:38am
Sandusky26 wrote:

I also have shitty luck. My 16 F150 is in the shop for it's second torque converter in 35,000 miles. 

Bummer!  What are you towing with that poor thing?

A 6x12 for bikes and a 6x14 for work, both enclosed. I don't tow but twice a week and I always lock out 6th gear and sometimes 5th.

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9/27/2024 6:10am
Spent some more time on mine this afternoon.  What I have learned is that it is very smooth.  I had to get used to letting it...

Spent some more time on mine this afternoon.  What I have learned is that it is very smooth.  I had to get used to letting it rev.  It will pull 2nd gear so far that my mind tells me to shift to 3rd about half way through second.  Once I got that figured out, you can let second pull and there is no need to shift into third in any of the corners I rode. I feel like 1 tooth on the rear would help, but I probably just need to let 2nd do its job and shift less.

Chassis is almost perfect in my opinion.  I am a die hard Suzuki guy, so I like a bike to carve.  The 24 KX is stable, and carves.  The suspension is extremely good for stock...both front and rear.

There is an annoying chain rattle at low RPM under load that I need to get rid of and then I think she is good to go.

Also, need to learn how to make mapping changes.

Did you ever get rid of the chain rattle at low rpm, I hate hearing it. @racinstation 

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9/27/2024 6:36am
dahl-35 wrote:

I dont know if it's already in this thread. but is it not possible to read hours in the app?

 

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9/27/2024 7:02am
yz133rider wrote:
I’m heavy as heck and not super slow and I went with racetech recommended rates and then added 7cc to each fork leg and it’s pretty...

I’m heavy as heck and not super slow and I went with racetech recommended rates and then added 7cc to each fork leg and it’s pretty dang good.

Race tech’s spring calculator is off on its recommendations for me on the ‘24. Much too soft. I ran .53 and 6.0 springs on my ‘21 as recommended by them. I was 15 lbs heavier then. It was dialed. Thats why I haven’t gone stiffer in the fork on the ‘24 as they are very similar. I just changed my inputs on the RT calculator to standard age and “prefers stiff” (I’m 39, but still mid pack Open A speed on a local level). They recommend .54 and 5.75 for springs. Maybe I do need to go stiffer in the fork yet or try throwing the stock rear spring on with the .53 fork springs. 

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9/27/2024 7:06am
Duke28 wrote:

Front end way too soft dude. You put even more weight on it by moving the rear axle back as well. 

I’m running .53 springs in the fork with only a 5.8 on the shock. I’ve swapped springs on this bike at least four or five times...

I’m running .53 springs in the fork with only a 5.8 on the shock. I’ve swapped springs on this bike at least four or five times already and nothing felt better. I’ve tried softer and stiffer on the shock and softer on the fork. 

Sandusky26 wrote:

Keep going stiffer on the fork. You might need to revalve. 

Appreciate the input!

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9/27/2024 7:47am

I am loving the back and forth with Mr. Afterbar and the other KX Owners on setup. It’s cool to see folks helping each other.  Please keep the updates coming. 

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9/27/2024 8:42am
Race tech’s spring calculator is off on its recommendations for me on the ‘24. Much too soft. I ran .53 and 6.0 springs on my ‘21...

Race tech’s spring calculator is off on its recommendations for me on the ‘24. Much too soft. I ran .53 and 6.0 springs on my ‘21 as recommended by them. I was 15 lbs heavier then. It was dialed. Thats why I haven’t gone stiffer in the fork on the ‘24 as they are very similar. I just changed my inputs on the RT calculator to standard age and “prefers stiff” (I’m 39, but still mid pack Open A speed on a local level). They recommend .54 and 5.75 for springs. Maybe I do need to go stiffer in the fork yet or try throwing the stock rear spring on with the .53 fork springs. 

I got 5.4 in fork and 6.0 rear. 

But pull the basevalve out and put some more faceshims on the comp if you want it stiffer.. or pull the midvalve out and convert it to a leaf style midvalve like the 2023 got. The fork is very soft valved stock. 

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10/1/2024 7:49pm
I know you aren’t in a position to do it now, but even a slip on makes her a new bike. I have fmf slip on...

I know you aren’t in a position to do it now, but even a slip on makes her a new bike. I have fmf slip on with rubber grommet removed and it was night and day. 

Sucks about the suspension. I got mine done by FC and they nailed it. Best cornering bike I’ve ever had and it kept the old generation stability for me. I’ve never been so confident cornering a bike. 

My only complaints are air box is janky but no problems to date. I also had some vibration and arm pump issues. Xtrig bar mounts fixed it.

Which Xtrig mounts did you get? If you have a p/n or a link it'd be appreciated.

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10/1/2024 8:00pm
A_Wise1 wrote:

Which Xtrig mounts did you get? If you have a p/n or a link it'd be appreciated.

Yes, they are in stock.   😁🤣😂

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10/2/2024 3:11pm

Anyone know of a front brake relocation mount that will keep the brembo but allow a 280mm rotor?

Motostuff is a no go.  I modded the slide area to be wider where the pads seat, and that went fine… but the guide pins are a no go.  Few mm off….

Galifer description says theirs works, but also says its works on the older Nissin which I don’t believe to be the case…
Thanks

10/2/2024 6:32pm Edited Date/Time 10/2/2024 6:33pm
I know you aren’t in a position to do it now, but even a slip on makes her a new bike. I have fmf slip on...

I know you aren’t in a position to do it now, but even a slip on makes her a new bike. I have fmf slip on with rubber grommet removed and it was night and day. 

Sucks about the suspension. I got mine done by FC and they nailed it. Best cornering bike I’ve ever had and it kept the old generation stability for me. I’ve never been so confident cornering a bike. 

My only complaints are air box is janky but no problems to date. I also had some vibration and arm pump issues. Xtrig bar mounts fixed it.

A_Wise1 wrote:

Which Xtrig mounts did you get? If you have a p/n or a link it'd be appreciated.

I called technical touch and ordered over the phone. 

And the PHDS. 

10/3/2024 7:36pm

Anyone else having Rideology app issues since iOS 18

10/3/2024 9:57pm
everlong70 wrote:

Anyone else having Rideology app issues since iOS 18

Update. I contacted Kawasaki. They confirmed the issue and have contacted Japan. 

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My countershaft seal just developed a leak. Also due for a clutch. 35 hrs. 

10/6/2024 6:58am Edited Date/Time 10/6/2024 7:07am

I really have my bike working well now.  I'm 6'3" and 210-215lbs w/o gear.  I race motocross in +40B and have been doing a good job of collecting on that great Kawasaki contingency they've been paying out this year.

In the forks, I'm running .53kg springs and 350ml of oil.  My base settings are 8 clicks out on compression and 11 out on rebound with the top of the fork tubes up 3mm above the triple clamp.  

For the shock, I'm running a 6.0kg spring with the sag set at 105mm.  Rebound is 11 out, low speed compression 12 out, and high speed compression at 1.5 turns out.  I am very happy with how my bike is handling at a wide variety of tracks and don't plan to revalve the bike at this point.  The prior gen required a fork revalve to achieve enough holdup in the front end, but I'm very happy with how this bike is handling once I installed the correct spring rates.

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10/7/2024 2:08pm Edited Date/Time 10/7/2024 2:09pm

I put in a full Hinson clutch - single spring set up still, not 6 coil springs. It seems to be running cooler in the longer motos & heat so that’s a plus. but I went to put it in gear on the line & it was wanting to go when I had my clutch at it’s normal engagement point. Was a little late to adjust the lever out but made it home now. I adjusted the lever out so we’ll see how that works but seems too far out for my liking. I might try to stock spring as it is 8-10% softer than the Hinson one, but I’m not sure if there’s even a possibility that will help or if I’m wasting my time trying that.  

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I'm 185 and run stock springs, the stock suspension is pretty good but started to show it's ugly side once I pushed it and the bumps got bigger. I revalved it stiffer and now it's easily the best handling and feeling bike I've ridden. Just eats up everything and front and rear, super plush but nice firm feel when landing off big jumps, in love with the feel! I do wish it had a little more excitement when accelerating but probably would just wear me out faster etc.. I have a PC full pipe with all the air box mods domed filter and cage with extra link in chain and running a 51 rear tooth. Thinking about a vortex next for some optionality.... Loving this bike!!

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10/7/2024 9:11pm
everlong70 wrote:

Anyone else having Rideology app issues since iOS 18

everlong70 wrote:

Update. I contacted Kawasaki. They confirmed the issue and have contacted Japan. 

App update for iOS is out. Problems fixed. Good times 🫡

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10/8/2024 12:39am
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I put in a full Hinson clutch - single spring set up still, not 6 coil springs. It seems to be running cooler in the longer...

I put in a full Hinson clutch - single spring set up still, not 6 coil springs. It seems to be running cooler in the longer motos & heat so that’s a plus. but I went to put it in gear on the line & it was wanting to go when I had my clutch at it’s normal engagement point. Was a little late to adjust the lever out but made it home now. I adjusted the lever out so we’ll see how that works but seems too far out for my liking. I might try to stock spring as it is 8-10% softer than the Hinson one, but I’m not sure if there’s even a possibility that will help or if I’m wasting my time trying that.  

Did the bike seem to hookup better with the stiffer clutch spring?

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10/8/2024 10:34am
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I put in a full Hinson clutch - single spring set up still, not 6 coil springs. It seems to be running cooler in the longer...

I put in a full Hinson clutch - single spring set up still, not 6 coil springs. It seems to be running cooler in the longer motos & heat so that’s a plus. but I went to put it in gear on the line & it was wanting to go when I had my clutch at it’s normal engagement point. Was a little late to adjust the lever out but made it home now. I adjusted the lever out so we’ll see how that works but seems too far out for my liking. I might try to stock spring as it is 8-10% softer than the Hinson one, but I’m not sure if there’s even a possibility that will help or if I’m wasting my time trying that.  

Sandusky26 wrote:

Did the bike seem to hookup better with the stiffer clutch spring?

I mean i'm good at starts as it is, so was kind of tough to tell if it was better or not. I just wanted more reliability in these long off road motos & better heat dissipation. I was torching the stock set up.

Hinson seemed to work well once i got going but i actually liked the stock set up better on the starts. With that being said, i did pull the holeshot. I just had to 4 finger the clutch into the bar to prevent from rolling (live engine, flag start.) Dead engine might be an issue but i usually pull the clutch into the bar on dead engine anyway. MX with gate starts that won't cut it. I can also try to move the lever out & just get used to it. Just sucks that my finger is as small as my wiener so it's hard to reach. 

I am going to test the stock spring. Hinson says their spring is 10% stiffer than the stock one so we'll see if that makes a difference. Give me through the weekend as my hands are destroyed from the last NGPC & WORCS. 

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10/8/2024 10:53am

Have any of you tried the ChaMap with these ignition settings which Motocross Action posted in their recent 2025 KX450 review video?

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10/10/2024 3:05am

Nope. Not yet. In general these map changes are boarder line trash. What's the point of launch control or traction control when the bike is so mellow on the bottom. ECU parameters are so tight, the map changes just feel like a placebo effect.

Personally I'm fine with the power delivery, I'd like to take that xbox controller off the handlebar and replace it with a simple kill switch at this point.

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Markee wrote:
Nope. Not yet. In general these map changes are boarder line trash. What's the point of launch control or traction control when the bike is so...

Nope. Not yet. In general these map changes are boarder line trash. What's the point of launch control or traction control when the bike is so mellow on the bottom. ECU parameters are so tight, the map changes just feel like a placebo effect.

Personally I'm fine with the power delivery, I'd like to take that xbox controller off the handlebar and replace it with a simple kill switch at this point.

https://www.dirtrider.com/tests/kawasaki-kx450-dyno-test-2025/

 

The crazy thing IS that this "almost 350 or vet engine" has more power everywhere that any bike except the Yamaha !

I think Max Db has also a good placebo effect !

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10/10/2024 7:30am
Markee wrote:
Nope. Not yet. In general these map changes are boarder line trash. What's the point of launch control or traction control when the bike is so...

Nope. Not yet. In general these map changes are boarder line trash. What's the point of launch control or traction control when the bike is so mellow on the bottom. ECU parameters are so tight, the map changes just feel like a placebo effect.

Personally I'm fine with the power delivery, I'd like to take that xbox controller off the handlebar and replace it with a simple kill switch at this point.

mike44 wrote:
https://www.dirtrider.com/tests/kawasaki-kx450-dyno-test-2025/ The crazy thing IS that this "almost 350 or vet engine" has more power everywhere that any bike except the Yamaha !I think Max Db...

https://www.dirtrider.com/tests/kawasaki-kx450-dyno-test-2025/

 

The crazy thing IS that this "almost 350 or vet engine" has more power everywhere that any bike except the Yamaha !

I think Max Db has also a good placebo effect !

I think it's the slow revving nature that makes it feel "slow". I wish it had more hit so I could use 3rd gear more, mainly in soft dirt. That's just me nitpicking though.

10/10/2024 7:46am
Markee wrote:
Nope. Not yet. In general these map changes are boarder line trash. What's the point of launch control or traction control when the bike is so...

Nope. Not yet. In general these map changes are boarder line trash. What's the point of launch control or traction control when the bike is so mellow on the bottom. ECU parameters are so tight, the map changes just feel like a placebo effect.

Personally I'm fine with the power delivery, I'd like to take that xbox controller off the handlebar and replace it with a simple kill switch at this point.

mike44 wrote:
https://www.dirtrider.com/tests/kawasaki-kx450-dyno-test-2025/ The crazy thing IS that this "almost 350 or vet engine" has more power everywhere that any bike except the Yamaha !I think Max Db...

https://www.dirtrider.com/tests/kawasaki-kx450-dyno-test-2025/

 

The crazy thing IS that this "almost 350 or vet engine" has more power everywhere that any bike except the Yamaha !

I think Max Db has also a good placebo effect !

I will tell you what, they can say slow all they want. Is the delivery soft? Yes, but if you twist the thing on the right harder it is all there. It could be more exciting, but if the goal is to have a bike that makes you tired in three laps there are other options out there.

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10/10/2024 7:48am

One thing I did and it helped a little was put on a more aggressive throttle cam. I found one that was just a little bigger outer diameter than the stock one in the pack of many you get when you buy some ODI grips. Stock you can rotate the throttle about 1/4 turn and with this one it was about 2-3mm less. Don't know about anyone else but I have a hard time or maybe a bad habit of not twisting the throttle to the pin when I'm hanging on under acceleration.

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10/10/2024 7:54am
Markee wrote:
Nope. Not yet. In general these map changes are boarder line trash. What's the point of launch control or traction control when the bike is so...

Nope. Not yet. In general these map changes are boarder line trash. What's the point of launch control or traction control when the bike is so mellow on the bottom. ECU parameters are so tight, the map changes just feel like a placebo effect.

Personally I'm fine with the power delivery, I'd like to take that xbox controller off the handlebar and replace it with a simple kill switch at this point.

mike44 wrote:
https://www.dirtrider.com/tests/kawasaki-kx450-dyno-test-2025/ The crazy thing IS that this "almost 350 or vet engine" has more power everywhere that any bike except the Yamaha !I think Max Db...

https://www.dirtrider.com/tests/kawasaki-kx450-dyno-test-2025/

 

The crazy thing IS that this "almost 350 or vet engine" has more power everywhere that any bike except the Yamaha !

I think Max Db has also a good placebo effect !

Sandusky26 wrote:
I think it's the slow revving nature that makes it feel "slow". I wish it had more hit so I could use 3rd gear more, mainly...

I think it's the slow revving nature that makes it feel "slow". I wish it had more hit so I could use 3rd gear more, mainly in soft dirt. That's just me nitpicking though.

As a guy who's been on 350's the last decade, I think the stock mapping works great. Doesn't stall, doesn't flame-out like my 350's all did. Easy to use power. Runs just fine on whatever garbage 93 pump gas I throw in it. 

 

I also think launch control and traction control are very beneficial for the tracks I ride. I used traction control just at my last race. Track was ripped super deep and way over watered. Total slick mess. I was sliding everywhere in practice. At the recommendation of a very fast Vet A friend, I put TC on and it definitely made the bike hook up better in slick turns and was less tiring to ride aggressively. He actually runs TC all the time, everywhere. 

 

I have used launch control on a concrete start and it works great on eliminating wheelspin. On dirt starts, with launch control and a holeshot device, you can hold it wide open and I get better starts than not using it. This is for an skinny, slow Vet guy though. 

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10/12/2024 7:39am

Anyone here running the Yoshi exhaust / have any input?

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