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Bingo. My choice of words may have stirred up the troops but that's it in a nutshell. You look at the directions the two series are going, and I think a lot of the young guys worldwide are eyeballing coming here for a myriad of reasons.
Great who cares. Just make it happen.
Politics, Feld and MX Sports have a lot of control over the AMA, do you think they want a competing series racing in their home turf?
That’s just red tape talk.
They have had USGPs before so have them again.
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To your argument, who is battling for 15th in the 250 ama class?
You could argue that with the american 250 class and 450 class. take the superstar names away and look at the time difference of gap between riders.. its pretty much similar in MXGP as far as gaps between riders..
You dont see Deegan battling for 15th? the same way you dont see de Wolf battling for 15th.
The riders going keep jumping ship to over here because youthstream is holding races to who ever will pay them a million euros to hold a race and they do not pay any money the riders at all . Riders only make money from their teams and personal sponsors . Everyone hating on mxsports but they pay the riders
Nice try Davey
Well I spoke with my wallet and cancelled my SX, MX & SMX subscription. Crap tracks, crap racing, crap commentators (JT is ok), it's catering for the common man, monster truck racing fans, for the money. Yeh sure I'll watch the highlight packages?
While there are some problems in MXGP, my answer is absolutely not.
Well said
Absolutely awesome idea.
Let’s get that done ASAP.
For Australians I think the USA is an easy choice, the money is similar to better. Europe has cold shitty weather, and in most parts Australians can’t speak the language. Europeans that can’t speak English are making a tough move coming to the USA..
Different world now. AMA has the Lawrences, Vialle, getting Prado and every third 250f rider in the world wants to be here or is heading here.
India has a SX series too, that doesn't make it an important series, though it probably is taking talent from the GPs too. The chickens are coming home to roost for Luongo, lot of fine riders in the GPs, but the racing and the riders/teams taking a back seat to profits is making it's presence known in far too many apparent and detrimental ways for MXGP. The icons of 500 class in the 70s/80s wouldn't put up with Luongo's shit either, they would all be heading to the USA too.
I believe the lease is up 2026 ? i think i read it somewhere. It would be best for the sport if loungo and his croonies get bought out but yeah wont happen. Sad how they are destroying it and every team /rider just watch and let it be.
I would say the average MX fan in US has maybe heard of MXGP but likely not a follower. Would the average MX fan in the rest of the world know of Pro Motocross or Supercross?
I might be ignorant, but I would guess per 100 fans, there are more non-US fans who follow US moto than US who follow MXGP.
This thread isn't about the fans. I realize the fans across the pond are super passionate. I grew up in Michigan thinking of GP riders as gods for that matter back in the seventies. I'm really strictly talking business model and what it reaping here.
That’s called parody. You can’t have depth when you have less then 20 riders on the gate some races.
USA has depth top to bottom. MXGP is top loaded.
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Unless you live under a rock, the US has been the only legitimate series for years.
I'm not taking anything away from some of the best Euro riders, but their series is a joke.
People were suggesting the same 10+ years ago - Pourcel, Searle, Rattray, Musquin and Roczen were the future. There has always been many young guys worldwide looking to race in the USA, but talent will continue to come through and MXGP will remain relevant.
Kullas and Butron have highlighted over the last couple of years, the Nationals doesn't have top to bottom depth.
Questions for the gallery:
Did Kullas improve while over here racing weekly and having more local tracks/variations of tracks available to practice at?
Is he happier and/or making money over here?
In the twilight of his career, he has averaged 19 points per National. Through his MXGP career, 7 points per GP (without full gates!). He has to be happier, he's still able to make money racing a dirt bike... but anyone suggesting there's top to bottom depth is high.
If you look at his recent mxgp results they are pretty much in line with where he finishes in the US.
If you were to ask any young mxgp rider all things being equal would they rather race mxgp or the US SX and MX series most are going to choose the US. Proof is in the pudding.
Take the last 12 Nationals he has raced versus the last 12 MXGPs and it is clear where Kullas has struggled more. Taking his last two MXGPs is twisting facts to suit your agenda! I'm not disputing the "proof in the pudding", but suggesting the Nationals have top to bottom depth is complete bollocks - those between 30th-40th are a hazard for the likes of Sexton, in the same way the locals are in Indonesia for Herlings.
So the only relevant number of races to compare is the one that makes your argument work? Got it.
Why use a sample size of two races, when you can use the last 12 races. The data is there, use it! The reality is, over 32 MXGPs, Kullas has scored 7 points on average. Through 12 Nationals, he's averaged 19 points. Seems like he's found it easier
I get the feeling you're not "doing the math"...hence, Statistical Analysis...etc.
If you're saying the US field isn't deep? Again...you might wanna quit throwing around the commentary about who is high or not.
Are you aware of how many riders are competing for one of those 40 gates on any given Saturday at our nationals?
(Let's take a look, shall we...?) Example: Washougal...69 Qualifiers
How many competitive racers at the top/competing for podiums...? Five...Sexton, Plessinger, Anderson, H Lawrence, Cooper...
And, again, that's in 2 Motos with 40 riders.
Later in the season we got Jett back...and we had 6 riders competing for the podium...and, again, FORTY riders out on the track...in each moto.
There's a difference between quality and quantity.
Everyone saying Lawerence were lost to the us, but jett only raced the EMX one season and hunter race mx2 2x seasons but its not like they were from europe in the first place they're free agents and either way are far away from home. The US is probably closer feeling to AUS than being based in the EU I am not surprised they left for something that is more familiar.
On another note, I think a lot of people just want to race SX, you get paid better you get to go to cities not some random field somewhere. I think this has much more to do with people wanting to move than anything else.
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