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It's interesting why human studies on BP-157 have been "stopped" or "cancelled" given all the positive results it has shown in rats. Note that this peptide is very easy to compound (create) in small independent compounding labs (legally).....so could it be that big Pharma didn't want to spend millions on clinical trials for humans for BP-157 because it would expose it's benefits for a product that's easily/cheaply made and a very simple alternative to all Pharma's expensive joint replacement products and injections? Perhaps big Pharma knows it won't make billions in profit for this peptide that can be easily knocked off and sold for peanuts?
Just look at semaglutide (i.e. Ozempic) which is also a peptide BTW, which is being made in compounding labs like BP-157 is. If you haven't noticed yet, start looking around and you will notice the whole world is all of a sudden losing weight at the same time. All those overweight women you've known for a lifetime are all coincidentally shedding the pounds simultaneously now, because of semaglutide. They buy semaglutide in vials and inject themselves. Semaglutide = Ozempic, and it's less than half the price. And yes, they are buying semaglutide "for lab use only, not for use on humans". So if you haven't noticed an obese woman lose serious weight around you yet, take note, it's semaglutide.
Just like thousands of women are using a product not sold for human use to lose weight, thousands of people are also using peptides like BP 157 for healing, and they're buying them direct from compounding labs.
Do your own homework before you inject, but there are tons of people who swear by it. For a little education on BP-157:
Big Pharma doesn't try to keep the little guy down, but they also aren't going to spend ANY money proving something works that they can't patent/profit on. It's not that they are evil, or don't care. It simply doesn't make business sense.
There are natural remedies that work, some 1000s of years old, that will most likely never have a clinical trial, simply because it's impossible for a company to recap that expense. The government will fund some studies, but they are also tied at the hip with big pharma, with the government, and unbelievably some government employees, receiving royalties on drug sales.
You can state truthfully that people don't know how some of the natural products work, but the same can be said for many drugs.
As far as the quality of natural remedies, this was more of a problem 50 years ago, because the vast majority of supplement companies today are owned by pharma.
They attempted to remove vitamins from the market, or get laws passed so that vitamins would require a prescription from your doctor, and when that wasn't successful, they simply entered the market.
So, if something is working for many people, I'm not concerned about the lack of clinical trials. You shouldn't either. What works, works. What doesn't, doesn't.
There are a lot of claims out there that are BS though, both with drugs and with natural remedies, and the wording of success with both can be misleading. So be careful, and follow the money trail.
I'd much rather try something natural, or homeopathic first, which can also have side effects, then medicines, that in general have worse side effects.
Just my $.02.
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And also reduces inflamation.
You're almost seeing it, but not quite....
You're right that pharma manipulates data and plays games with outcomes to get drugs approved. It's very costly for them to have to do this, but such is life in big pharma.
But this is also why they go nuts over anything that has promising data and can be easily shown to just work. If there's even a hint of a signal, they're all in.
All this supplement junk we're talking about... it's so far from being able to be shown to work that despite their significant past attempts, they can't even fudge the data enough to make it look good by any objective standard. Hence it's all still in the domain of "it worked for me" sales pitches and sold online for cash.
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"So, if something is working for many people, I'm not concerned about the lack of clinical trials. You shouldn't either. What works, works. What doesn't, doesn't."
Blood letting used to "just work" for many people.
For all of history people have had this same confidence in their ability to just casually observe what works. Unfortunately we've been wrong more often than we've been right, so putting any confidence in just knowing is not a great idea.
As bad as some aspects of big pharna, academia, government regulation is, it's still preferable to the alternative. Every criticism you can throw at pharna is just as valid for any supplement company, but they don't have to work within the constraints of any of the safeguards that do exist, no matter how flawed those may be.
"Blood letting used to "just work" for many people."
This isn't a fair example. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work.
"For all of history people have had this same confidence in their ability to just casually observe what works. Unfortunately we've been wrong more often than we've been right, so putting any confidence in just knowing is not a great idea."
I agree. Collecting data and organizing it is quite valuable. Doctors have the best opportunity to do this (but mostly don't), since they hear from many patients who've tried various remedies, both medicines and natural, and get to see the results. Insurance companies are only going to have limited data on medicines based on what's billed, and not on natural remedies since natural remedies aren't billed to insurance. Each individual only tries a very limited number of things for an illness, so they don't have as much to compare to.
But, what works for them works for them. And if a lot of people are having similar results, it's worth looking into.
"As bad as some aspects of big pharna, academia, government regulation is, it's still preferable to the alternative. Every criticism you can throw at pharna is just as valid for any supplement company, but they don't have to work within the constraints of any of the safeguards that do exist, no matter how flawed those may be."
I disagree. There are more safeguards, and drugs are more powerful, but they also have greater risk, and far worse side effects.
The FDA doesn't regulate supplements the same was as drugs for good reason. They're essentially concentrated foods. That's over simplifying things, but it's a completely different approach. Supplements provide the body with building materials, and the body knows what to do with them, where drugs are more targeted and aggressive in treating symptoms, and aren't always good for you.
Granted, supplements can have side effects too, but not like drugs. If I take a vitamin where the label says it has 500mg of Vitamin C, and it actually has 700mg, or 300mg, it's going to be a much smaller issue than taking an antibiotic or blood pressure medicine that is off by 50%.
That said, most of the supplement companies are owned by pharma today, and although they're not required to be tested like drugs are, I don't believe quality is an issue like it was 50 years ago.
What I know is that the medical profession says things that for one reason or another are simply not always true, and they also don't have data to back up their claims. I don't fault doctors for this. It's the narrative being taught.
For example, they at least used to say that vitamin C doesn't help against colds.
I know that when I take 10 grams of vitamin C with Bioflavonoids per day, most of the time I reverse a sore throat. This has worked for me more times than not for the last 30 years. Prior to that, every single time, in my life, that I got a sore throat, it would eventually turn into bronchitis. Every single time.
Do I care if there's been a clinical trial on this? Who would fund it? Should I stop taking vitamin C when a get a sore throat until a study is done, and instead get some antibiotics or similar? I will if needed, but vitamin C is not harming my body, so I start with that first.
I know that doctors say that you can't purge your gallbladder. They say that If you have gallstones, the only way to fix it is to remove your gallbladder. Yet I've passed gallstones twice with a natural remedy, without pain.
The doctor who suggested that physicians should wash their hands between visiting the morgue and treating newborn babies, came very close to losing his license over it. Yet today, it's common sense, and we have germ theory. Do we really need to do a clinical trial for this?
The proof that his theory is correct is that once doctors started washing their hands between doing autopsies and treating infants, the infant mortality rate dropped significantly at that hospital. It simply worked. It's not a clinical trial. But there is some data.
Big Pharma says that vaccines do not under any circumstances cause autism. Yet there are many, many families where all of their children came down with autism in the hours or days after receiving vaccinations. Obviously, not every child who gets a vaccine gets autism, but it plays a part for some people who are predisposed. The clinical trials, conducted by the same group that profits massively from the vaccines, are suspect in this case. I suspect that that some issues occur from kids having multiple vaccines simultaneously, a state that is difficult to test, since there are many combinations.
About 10 years ago, there was an annual flu shot released in Europe that was reported to be causing narcolepsy in a small, but very significant percentage of those taking it. If memory serves correct, it affected teenagers more than older people. It was removed from the market before it was released in the U.S. Why didn't the clinical trials catch this?
And the RMNA Covid vaccine side effects were greatly underreported. More of this is coming out now. The CDC states that 3% of the serious reported adverse affects, reported by physicians, were death. Yes, death. It doesn't say that 3% of those with side effects died, but that 3% of the reported, serious adverse effects, were death. Yet, the public was told that it's 100% safe. I read this on the actual CDC website.
I'm not saying that looking at data that is available is a bad thing. I'm making a few claims:
1) There isn't data on everything that works.
2) Many clinical trials are biased, and those in the study filtered early so the trial produces the desired results. In the few I've read, they state that they do this in the actual clinical trial document. They're also conducted by the same people who stand to make $billions. They should be required to be conducted independently, and blindly by those who don't have a vested interest in the outcome.
3) What is presented to the public is the marketing version of the clinical trial. In some cases, it leads people to believe that it'll help them more than the data actually proves. It's more that the wording is misleading rather than it being straight out lies.
For example, a study may show that those taking a drug had a 2% improvement in mortality vs 1% receiving the placebo. It's presented to the public that it reduces your risk of death by 50%, when in reality, it reduces your risk of death by an additional 1%.
4) If it works for many people, not just a few, it's probably worth looking into, keeping in mind who's making the claims, and what they stand to gain from it. This is the case for both natural remedies, and for medicines. I personally look for ways to solve an issue naturally first, but I'm not opposed to taking medicine if needed.
I know that my doctor (who's quite respected in my area), told me a long time ago that Saw Palmetto works as good or better for prostate symptoms than any medicine he could prescribe. I don't believe there's a clinical trial on that. It's simply what he observed with his patients, and his peers' patients. He also, after the fact, let me know that the symptoms I was having were a known side effect of an allergy medicine I was taking. I wish he would've told me up front! Fortunately, I got off the allergy medicine, and the symptoms went away.
For my allergies, I had great success with a natural remedy that I didn't expect to help. I have theory as to why and how it works, but it's only that, a theory. I don't really care how it works. What I know is that after having environmental allergies to pollens for decades, I'm hardly bothered by it at all today. It surprised the heck out of me. Considering the side effects I encountered with the allergy medicines, I would've simply dealt with the allergies.
I don't know about blood letting. My guess is that at some point in time, for some illnesses, removing some blood that contained disease, and the body replacing it with fresh blood, saved some lives, while for the rest, it didn't help at all.
For the record, I'm not anti-doctor, anti-medicine, or anti-vax. I also don't blindly trust the claims made by the medical establishment, or natural remedies. I'm cautious, prefer being proactive in staying healthy, and try to use natural methods first.
To me, there are enough people here having good results with peptides, to take a close look.
I'd love to hear more experiences. And if there are trials or a large survey, that would be helpful too.
Bottom line for me is that I'm going to need surgery on my neck for an off the bike injury, and I'd like to know if there's something I can do to heal a little faster and better.
I apologize for this being so long. This has been on my mind for a while.
Whatever you are doing or thinking in a good or bad way your body and mind gets used to it and adjusts to over years so that’s what you end up with. The body gets used to routines just like your mind.
I feel like the less the better for intervention with my body and not over-treating. The old advice was rest, ice, compression, and elevation but the only time I needed knee surgery was after icing I think because staying warm loosens the blood flow. Ice may reduce swelling but I feel like it just damages cells and restricts blood flow unless you have a fever and need to cool off. If there is an infection the simple answer is asking why and then it’s hard to replace traditional antibiotics.
So much of the stuff we use is complete junk if you check the ingredients it may be making you sick to need other stuff with junk in it. Many diseases are preventable based on what you are getting exposed to or not doing. It’s like you can’t win sometimes so weigh the cost and benefits.
I survived stuff most people haven’t and my biggest advice is just to be open minded and be willing to try something different or change if needed despite generally conserving. Having injuries or any condition makes you realize it’s ok to ask for help and you can’t always do it alone but try not to become a victim of that or the system.
If it hurts to bang your head against the wall don’t do that.
Clinical trails for any Pharmaceutical product takes 5-10 years, it's amazing how many people jumped when they were told to during 2020.
Doing loose math here 20-40 billion jabs were created to stop the spread, I would like to see how they produced that many in such little time.
Trust the science.
MT2 is a game changer for us gingers. No big pharma study is needed to prove that!
Hyperbaric Oxygen Chamber; my experience is 1 hour session = about 2-3 days of normal recovery
Have you tried contacting our makers in the Zeta Reticuli star system and asked if they can put your light/consciousness into another genetically modified ape body?
How many vitards understand the difference between anecdotal and empirical evidence?
'Homeopathy' is one of the most blatant examples of quackery there is. Nothing against the 16th century creator; he didn't know any better. But we do now.
As far as which "side" is more trustworthy, traditional vs alternative... Unfortunately greedy liars, cheats, and frauds exist in all walks of life, and on all sides of any issue. And then there is the problem of how tough it is for well meaning people to determine statistically significant, evidence based, controlled for all variables, factual conclusions. To find people who are both honest, and intelligent enough to determine fact (and humble enough to admit to uncertainty) is pretty difficult. Caveat emptor
You couldn't be in a better place considering Tijuana is in your backyard. You can get stem cell treatment there for a fraction of the price in the US, look it up.
Ever see that show about botched Mexican plastic surgery? Mexico is almost as scary as…. Chicago
The end of the movie, “Man on the Moon” had the fake international surgery joke on him after a life of pranks.
Placing certain healing modalities in one camp and other modalities in another camp, simply because of the environment you were raised in and the programs installed, is very limiting.
If any of you truly want to heal yourself (and others), getting beyond the duality game is the way.
When is the apple not the tree?
Yes, you obviously need to know where to go. Lots of professional athletes and retired pros flying into San Diego and crossing the border to get stem cell treatment.
I spend a lot of time in Mexico and they actually do some things better down there when it comes to pharma/medical care.
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If you can’t pronounce their name maybe they are from a less proven medical place or practice.
I thought maybe I missed out on stem cells so far. I hear about the body rejecting stuff but then they are already doing lots people aren’t complaining about. I figure by now things are more successful than not but I am in no hurry to be part of any testing trials not even knowing if I am getting the treatment or not wasting my time with surveys.
Some international medicine like in China is 1000’s of years old and proven even if just with their diet like Mandarin oranges where they live long time but based on my body I go with the meat to keep my muscle mass and go by the blood test results to see where I am at. I just realized i need to cut back on extra carbs with my level high ALT that can cause liver issues.
With the dirt racers we are prone to more exposure and can get sick easier like Ferrandis is out with a lung infection. I have a nebulizer just using saline if needed to help lube dry dusty lungs.
If anyone is interested in really well done medical/research/scientific discussion, check out the Barbell Medicine podcast. It might clarify some confusion for a lot of folks regarding certain subjects.
Discussion is good right?
I've seen good results from homeopathy. I don't know how it works but sometimes it works great.
How does the placebo effect work? Modern Medicine and Science hasn't been able to answer but yet that's the standard they use to compare pharmaceuticals.
I am surprised how most labels still claim in tiny writing how the product cannot be proven as therapeutic to treat any disease even for basic things like multivitamins.
I always take humor from an ingredient added stating “to preserve freshness” as if that is a good excuse to give us whatever toxic thing they are putting in there.
I don’t know what homeopathy includes but much of the list makes you wonder like acupuncture. I hear about rainforest cures and am more likely to believe that. Whatever supplements can come with a bad result taking in stuff to throw other levels off.
Any good tv commercials for meds and or does anyone ever really “ask your doctor” about it? Inflammation is a big thing and there is an Antarctic shrimp looking thing called krill they extract from it but then it’s got some things to watch out for with homeostasis.
With placebo my mom used to complain of headaches and took Tylenol and it wasn’t just a pill but thinned her blood and prevented heart and circulation issues and now she is 90.
Isn't that the tool that was in here on the first page trying to prove how smart he was? If so, no thanks.
I tried the PRP on my back. 28 vials injected into my spine, most pain I have ever been in my life during the procedure. Did not help at all.
I know a guy that went to get LASIK and ended up with botched vision in one eye.
Walks, spin bike, rowing machine or even wading in a pool helps me. Lite movement or exercise can make a big difference in a short period of time.
Last year at this time I broke seven ribs, two bones in my neck, and my clavical after a 6th gear get off. Within 45 days I was MTBing and at 70 days I was back riding moto in the woods and haven't looked back.
I had seven doctors and they all told me it will take 4 months to heal. The reason why it takes 4 months to heal ribs is that when you go to bed, you twist your torso to get into bed and you twist to get up... the result is that you rebreak your ribs.
You can heal your ribs in 60 days if you get a recliner lift chair and sleep in it. The lift chair will take you back horizontally at night and put you back on your feet vertically in the morning. With a recliner lift chair, ribs stay in the position they're supposed to be in and heal properly.
Oh and I am 63.
Did you say…. Walk?….
I think we all just need to Drink More Water.
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