Jett Must Be Docked

Anderson really screwed up.      

The rest, I kinda blame it on flag placement.    ....but in the end, the riders need to be aware.      It was a shit deal on both sides.

Exactly,  well said!

Then it would look just like the white flag

Go check The guys in front of Jett. 

they just got Friezed...biggest coup of him to screw up other riders race like he's know'n

sry but he wasn't near into a red flag situation to wave one

Still a hot track and it is a common sense safety issue.

But let's just say, wow, kbsci has made a profound and compelling arguement.

So the ama passes a rule amendment that no safety flags can be displayed along with the checkered because technically, the race is over.

a couple of races from now a couple backmarkers tangle and go down on the landing of the finish line jump.

everybody on the lead lap comes around and wads up into an increasing pile of bikes and bodies.

the top 5 in the points are all injured and out of the series, but hey, it all happened after the race was over.

The week after that the ama say's

"Let's move the finish line to the dip after the landing.

Problem solved"

Or maybe everything would have been fine if the flagger had just changed hands so that the redcross flag would have been a foot before the checkered flag

Anyway

There are certainly things that might have helped.

A waving flag

A little more situational awareness by the riders.

Maybe add some flashing lights there.

But I will stand by my original post concerning your arguement for there being no penalty because the race was over.

"This one’s on the AMA. If one or two riders miss the Red Cross, that’s their problem. If 5 do, it’s your problem."

Finally the correct answer above.

The flag would have been much easier to see if it was located on the OUTSIDE of the turn in this case. None of the riders that jumped under the flag are people that would do it intentionally hoping they might get away with it. Any belief to the contrary is simply incredibly naive..

What percentage of people who are up in arms about the flag thing tonight are Jett fans.  

How many guys have been penalized for jumping before a Red Cross flag? None. The rule applies after it. So in your scenario they need a flagger at the base of the jump or before it.  

Guys, the argument "riders should be aware of security at any moment including on the finish line" does not really take place here.

The AMA is responsible for the safety of a rider that is down, and therefore take the responsability of warning the other riders with a flag. If the rider take the decision to jump in front of the flag, he is penalized for unsecurity over the rider down.

Can you really tell me 5 experimented (and former champions) took the decision to jump in front of the flag ? No, they just didn't see it. That means the AMA did not do what was necessary to prevent the other riders to jump and therefore didn't secured the rider down well.

What just happened is AMA penalizing riders for unsecurity while they clearly didn't secured the place themselve. If you were the rider down, and see that situation, would you yell at the rider who unintentionally jump besides you or ask the flagger to move to a better place so that you can feel safe ? The AMA should revoke the decision, it's entirely their fault in my opinion.

PS : on the other hand, you have a couple riders that t-bone other competitors right and left (and threat their safety) but you don't do much of a thing to warned  them to stop. At the end of the day, as a pro rider looking back at what happened tonight, I'm not sure I would feel completly safe racing AMA supercross right now.

The track is still hot , so technically the race is not over when you get the checkered flag .
 

Flag was in a bad spot but the ruling was correct .  

The riders would have easily seen the flag if they did not assume it was the white flag or checkers. All they had to do was look. A Red Cross flag can be displayed on the finish line jump just like any other. It was a lack of awareness and a learning lesson for them all. The right call was made to dock them. 

I need to preface this so magoofan doesn't flip his top, 100% the penalty is on Jett and deserved.

But this is just another example of why we need to utilize the technology we have to make these racers more aware of what's happening. If we can make their bike glow Monster green while they're in the lead, we can add a red/yellow/blue light to their bar pad to let them know what's going on in the race. Troy Lee said in a recent podcast that there are talks of in ear communication which would be good IMO. Every other aspect of the actual sport continues to progress while the basic aspects of off track safety is stuck in the 1970's.

Anderson , Sexton , Plessinger , Webb all never saw the flag looks like the failure was on the AMA not the riders to make hurt riders safe. The point is not to see how many riders you can catch out with a red flag - The point is to get riders to take care when another rider has fallen. Clealry the AMA should be fined !!!!  Unfortunaley supporting the tyrants seems to be a common theme. 

 

Looks like the standard now is to place the Red Cross flag after the lip of the jump that you are supposed to roll.

They sure can see the checkered flag but they can't see a red cross flag 🤔

Check this video . . . 

https://www.facebook.com/stuart.fell5150/videos/2391684427685427

This race is run and done. For the future, the flag needs to be at the base of the jump or before the base of the jump. If it's so important, make it work. Clearly, this flag failed. 

That flag is so poorly executed. As a race director myself, I would be pretty annoyed with security director placing a redcross flag at that location.

1. Flag should be at the Beginning of a jump according to rulebook. At best, that's in the middle of the section (consisting of 2 parts, jump face and landing). Begining is at the bottom. After that, it's to late for anyone that's in race situation and taking for example inside tight corner.

2. Holding the flag still, when you know there is white flag and checker flag at the same spot? Wave it please!

Classic lazy mans flagg, we just let the guy in the wrong spot flag, because he is already there.

What percentage of your posts involve Jett? Yes, we know it's his fans you don't like. Riiiiight 

I'm not a Jett fan at all, but that was bullshit.

This was my thought, something on the bar pad or front fender that flashes yellow or red for caution and a cross flag. They can have multiple “gates” around the track that can trigger this on and off as they come to the section that needs to be rolled or taken caution at. Not high tech by any means.

this is all in addition to the existing flags 

Lol I didnt even realize it was friese down…. Haha he strikes again, gets 5 guys docked positions. Obviously not his fault but just funny it happened to be him.

I'm a Huge Jett fan and believe it's the right call. I also think he got Fu@ked because it was worst flagging ever. But from here on, ama placed their flag in the ground, "you will be penalized". It's a safety issue and we don't care about your (legitimate?) excuses. Did he get Fu@ked? He said he saw VF between the lanes and was not expecting there would have been a flag, I believe that.

Rider Safety HAS to be above everything.

Maybe if Jett would ride at more than 70%-80% he could have won.

This

This is an easy one...

Walk down the stairs and WAVE the flag BEFORE the jump so the oncoming riders can see it. 

You know they have it wrong when they penalize 4 other riders fro doing the same thing. It should say are we doing something wrong? I hate that a dumb decision by the on track flaggers can decide a championship.

Sorry I feel this one is on the AMA. 

A Red Cross flag means don’t jump, so they put the flag out at the top of the jump you’re not supposed to jump??? Not at the base of the up ramp, not in the corner before, not in any position to give the rider a fair warning. Doesn’t make sense, especially given its purpose is for safety.

Rules are rules and they have to penalise as they did, but the stewardship of that race would be comical if it were without consequences. The AMA should be embarrassed. The flag was out for a full lap and they still didn’t manage to get another flag out at the corner. Pretty pathetic for an event of this prestige.

And before anyone says; but Tomac saw it, so did Hunter…..well they were both just cruising around to the finish with a gap in front and behind them. Bit different for Webb, Sexton and co, who were battling, or Jett who’s going for the checkers.

Exactly. The real problem is where the flag was displayed. No warning until it’s too late. It’s the same reason street lights have a yellow light. They should have a blinking yellow light in the section before the Red Cross flag so they are at least on high alert. Though, that may cause trouble too. 

That flag should have at least been waving. If it is important enough to be out it needs to be moving. When that many people miss it, there is a problem.

Believe me if there is one rider on the line I would love to see win a SX before the season is over it would be Eli. But what happened last night is just another blemish on the AMA. It’s amazing the entire field wasn’t docked two spots. I am extremely happy for Eli 👍