Under the new points structure introduced for 2024, 22nd place in a Supercross main event is given 0 points towards the championship. This marks no difference between the last-place rider in the main event and the riders who didn't make the main event, outside of a slightly larger payout from the purse. With the existence of Pulp MX's LCQ challenge, fifth place in an LCQ is more beneficial than last place in a main event, as those riders score points towards Pulp's challenge race which will likely have a 100k plus purse again.
So simple question, should 22nd place score one point like 21st place does? Or is this just a case of participation trophy and it is what it is, they shouldn't get a point.
2024 Supercross Points Structure
1st place - 25 points
2nd place - 22 points
3rd place - 20 points
4th place - 18 points
5th place - 17 points
6th place - 16 points
7th place - 15 points
8th place - 14 points
9th place - 13 points
10th place - 12 points
11th place - 11 points
12th place - 10 points
13th place - 9 points
14th place - 8 points
15th place - 7 points
16th place - 6 points
17th place - 5 points
18th place - 4 points
19th place - 3 points
20th place - 2 points
21st place - 1 point
22nd place - 0 points
Yes, 22nd place should earn more than a non-qualifying rider.
why not 0.5 points?
Making a main event should account for something in the points tally...0.5 or 1 point.
No . And while they're at it just go back to a 20 rider main for the premiere class .
Bump 4th through 22 up 1 point.
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I'm on board with this. This would line up the points with the Nationals for SMX qualifying which is the whole reason they dropped the point for 22nd place, 21st place at the Nationals will be getting a point this year if I remember right.
It would also results in a little less wear on the track and less lappers.
Win-win.
Makes too much sense. Can’t have that.
When I am running the Supercross series it will be 25, 24, 23 22. Everyone in motocross will score a point too, 40, 39, 38. This is how true motocross is scored. Stoopid that a 1, 3 finish beats a 2, 2 in the outdoors.
.5 is the only option. You can’t give 22nd a full point to match the rider who finishes ahead of him.
That, or restructure everybody so that each position is awarded a different full integer. (Bump everybody by one point so that 22nd can get 1, for instance.)
That's where we were roughly but they deducted it back so a Supercross win was more inline with the points scored for winning a Pro Motocross moto. So the scoring toward SuperMotocross standings is a bit more similar.
If you make the main for the 22 fastest sx riders in the world that night. you deserve a point. or .5
I know it would never happen, but I like the points structure used in F1. Significant difference in points between places. IE; 1st = 25, 2nd = 18, 3rd = 15. With a larger spread in points it makes it more compelling to race for a given position. You can't relax on an off day and ride to a comfortable pace with the thought a 2nd or 3rd is "good enough".
For the original question. With the current scoring system, yes everyone in the main event should get a point.
im thinking we should give the guy who ran the fastest lap a extra point. Could make things interesting.
Yeah, I don’t get why 3rd to 4th needs to be a two-point gap, there’s plenty of other incentives to want to land on the podium other than a 1 point gap over 4th. By far the simplest fix and I like that:
1st to 2nd: 3 point gap
2nd to 3rd: 2 point gap
3rd to 4th: 1 point gap
1st place - 25 points
2nd place - 22 points
3rd place - 20 points
4th place - 19 points
5th place - 18 points
6th place - 17 points
7th place - 16 points
8th place - 15 points
9th place - 14 points
10th place - 13 points
11th place - 12 points
12th place - 11 points
13th place - 10 points
14th place - 9 points
15th place - 8 points
16th place - 7 points
17th place - 6 points
18th place - 5 points
19th place - 4 points
20th place - 3 points
21st place - 2 points
22nd place - 1 point
EDIT TO ADD: I originally didn't mind the change for the new points structure but I can see how it does seem strange if you qualify for the main event and finish to not even be awarded a single point, just like everybody else that didn't qualify for the race. a 1 point shift seems like an easy fix and balance.
I would like to see them increase the purse for those bottom positions versus giving a point to 22nd place.
Yes....last place should score a point.
There should be no point gaps either for 1st/2nd. It makes for a dull championship battle when you have a dominant rider. The point lead quickly becomes insurmountable.
Keep things fun, fastest qualifier gets a point, heat win gets a point and LCQ win gets 2 points.
It may sound harsh but 21st and 22nd place are just 2 more lappers for the leaders to deal with . When and why did 450s go to 22 riders ? I know the 125/250 class has been that way longer.
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Agreed half a point seems to be the only option.
It stays inline with the parallel with motocross they are trying to achieve, while making sure a guy who qualifies isn't on par points wise with a guy who didn't.
Or get brutal and cut it to 20 rider mains.
what about a structure like this, keeps mx and sx similar for SMX reasons, and for sx, all 22 riders get a point
At first I didn't like the idea that you could make the main event and not get a point. But then somebody pointed out that the 22nd place rider rarely finishes the main event anyway, so I don't worry too much about a guy getting 0 points when he didn't even finish the race.
This year, for the most part, the guys who finish in 22nd place are guys for whom 22nd place is probably considered a terrible night, and getting 1 point is meaningless for them.
Round 1. Friese (average finish 15.5 in his other main events this year)
2. Stewart (10.4)
3. Friese (15.5)
4. Kalaitzian (hasn't made any other mains. This was a Triple Crown, and he DNF'ed the first "super".)
5. Noren (19.4)
6. Simonson (19.0)
7. Ferrandis (8.6)
8. Justin Hill (16.2)
9. Ferrandis (8.6)
10. Bloss (16.1)
Noren and Simonson are two guys who are generally flirting with 22nd place. Noren DNF'd in round 5 anyway. Simonson did 18 of 20 laps in round 6. So Simonson is maybe the only guy in the first 10 rounds who got screwed by not getting a point.
Perfect!
Yes. This is just objectively correct.
Ding ding ding - Winner here!!!
While most who do race moto should have a say in this, I also think that those who do not race moto should not comment. "I don't like....blah blah blah but I don't even race". Leave the comments to those that matter.
Looks like a better setup. But I don’t see pulps 100k points fund for 23rd lasting. Dump the money into the pro ams. Most of the tracks r better than any sx track ever. Or a Vet series more rider interest 850 at an event. And what 80-90 pros per sx class. If a rider shows he can’t get a 15 th in sx in 20 races. Ship him down to the d league, pro ams.
Complete bullshit. If you make the main you get atleast a point. I get it when theres 40 riders at an outdoors but this is stupid.
Hahaha ok
I'd assume the only voice that matters is for the people this impacts. If you haven't made a supercross main event, please exit this thread.
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