TEN Worst Dirt Bikes Of All Time

10/29/2009 9:40pm
1998 and 99 CR125 were pretty lame. The motors were weak as water. I rode a local pro's bike at the time and it didn't even have enough power to get out of its own way. 97 CR250 rode like a 2X4, 98 KX250 didn't have any over rev and wouldn't stop. I seen an 01 CR125 listed as a bad bike, I rode one back in the day and thought it was the best thing ever til I rode a KTM 125 a couple weeks later.
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10/30/2009 7:44am

Note* That "Ten Worst" Article came out in 2003.

Pretty sure if it came out today - the top-ten would be all Chinese bikes.

For those of us that grew up in the '60's, even through to the early '70's -

"Made In Japan" meant something completely different than it does today.

Nowadays, it's generally a sign of superior workmanship and quality -

back when we were kids if something broke, folks would laugh and

say "must be made in Japan." You never hear that anymore.
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10/30/2009 9:53am
Prior to the all-time winner of worst bikes (voted in by tabulating hospital records) the Suzuki TM 400 Cyclone, this bad boy, the 1968 Bultaco 360 El Bandito, turned a many a man in to screaming little boys as it tank slapped and augered them to the ground. I can still hear the screams of young men hollering "moooommmmie" as this bike brutally tank slapped for hundreds of feet before bike-slamming them to the ground


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10/30/2009 10:00am
-eagle- wrote:
96 rm 125 was awful
Deetsmx wrote:
I loved that bike. Felt light as can be and the forks rocked.
Huh???


That was actually a pretty damn good bike! I agree with almost everything in this thread but dude we must not be talking about the same bike...

I'm with Deetsmx on that one, I loved that bike.
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10/30/2009 10:15am
Back in the day i raced a 1972 yamaha Lt2 100 in the 100 class. my buddy had a dt1 250 with all the go fast stuff on it and let me ride it a few times.. scared the crap out of me on the first whoop section at indian dunes as the rear end kept trying to pass the front end... saw god that day gentlemen....
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10/30/2009 10:37am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 6:41pm
DANIELINS wrote:
Back in the day i raced a 1972 yamaha Lt2 100 in the 100 class. my buddy had a dt1 250 with all the go fast...
Back in the day i raced a 1972 yamaha Lt2 100 in the 100 class. my buddy had a dt1 250 with all the go fast stuff on it and let me ride it a few times.. scared the crap out of me on the first whoop section at indian dunes as the rear end kept trying to pass the front end... saw god that day gentlemen....
I left out the 100MX. As you can see from my picture thats what I rode ('72 & '73). Hated it so bad I painted the tank red and put black Preton Petty's on it to make it loo like a Bultaco. Friggin pogo stick that bike was...
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10/30/2009 2:25pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 6:42pm
peeps sr wrote:
Prior to the all-time winner of worst bikes (voted in by tabulating hospital records) the Suzuki TM 400 Cyclone, this bad boy, the 1968 Bultaco 360...
Prior to the all-time winner of worst bikes (voted in by tabulating hospital records) the Suzuki TM 400 Cyclone, this bad boy, the 1968 Bultaco 360 El Bandito, turned a many a man in to screaming little boys as it tank slapped and augered them to the ground. I can still hear the screams of young men hollering "moooommmmie" as this bike brutally tank slapped for hundreds of feet before bike-slamming them to the ground


I'll bet a thousand years from now, when archeoligists dig around where the old tracks were, they'll be wondering what the significance of all these pieces of black and white fiberglass was. The life expectancy of one of those back fenders was about two races, less for the front.

I remember seeing a guy run off the track and hit an embankment. Detroyed the front wheel and the hub broke into three pieces.
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10/30/2009 3:06pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 6:42pm
peeps sr wrote:
I left out the 100MX. As you can see from my picture thats what I rode ('72 & '73). Hated it so bad I painted the...
I left out the 100MX. As you can see from my picture thats what I rode ('72 & '73). Hated it so bad I painted the tank red and put black Preton Petty's on it to make it loo like a Bultaco. Friggin pogo stick that bike was...
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3/18/2010 10:11pm
Look into a new seal cover called Shock Sox, they can be removed in only 10 seconds. You can buy them easy online just go to yahoo and search Shock Sox. They require no tool or removal of forks like seal savers. Shock Sox are best on the market.
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3/18/2010 10:23pm
1997 CR 250 and the 2007 YZF 450 are hands down the 2 worst turning bikes in the last 20 years. GL8 said this years stock Yam is twice the bike that his 2007 "works" bike ever hoped to be. And MC left Honda cuz that 97 CR was a complete dildo on wheels. Just sayin.
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2006 KTM SXF 250:

- The engine was fast but super unreliable, blew up a couple times.
- The worst starting bike I have ever owned, even after a rebuild it would take 20 kicks
- Didn't handle very well, no matter what we did to the suspension it never felt like it had a smooth action

Put me off KTM for life.
3/18/2010 10:58pm
92 YZ 80. Putrid. Not only the slowest of all the 80s that year (by a mile) but I managed to DNF most race days due to the stupid 'z' spokes in the rear wheel. Rarely would I last a race without breaking half a dozen spokes. A wheel off an '86 did the trick until the 93 model came out.

Plus it was pink! Pink!
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Hey Rup...I had the same '75 KS125. After I put a pipe, a KX rotor valve, and some knobbies on it...I did pretty good at the races. As far as bad bikes go....My jr high history teacher told a bunch of of scooter heads to come over to his house and check out the "dirt" bike he just bought...it was an old BSA 441 Victor (Victim). He gave us a lesson in gravity and archaeology that I still remember. He sold what was left of the Victor. Then he bought a brand new Combat Wombat...I hated him for that(I wanted one real bad). I had a buddy who was REAL proud of his SC500...used to want me to ride it all the time. It was awful...it vibrated so bad you could barely hold on to it. The guy that sort of got me into racing was crazy fast on his TM400. He pretty much owned the open class at the old Mud, Sweat, and Gears track near Stillwater OK. I saw him get T-Boned in practice and break his shifter off...he rode, and won all three motos with only third gear. Gary Mack was his name. I don't know how he did it...that thing swapped so bad I swear he could read his name on the back of his jersey.
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41NDT wrote:
anything 2-stroke
x2 yup...and anything that says KTM
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I've told this story too many times, hopefully you've not heard it - yet...

Had a buddy I met at local track in early 80's - he told me of buying a bike - I

believe it was a PUCH 125 - he bought it SOLELY based on a magazine

proclaiming it to be the "QUICKEST bike we've ever tested....."

After initial practice session, he determined the steed was nowhere near fast and,

after re-reading the article - noticed what he misread before :

"QUIETEST bike we've ever tested...." True story.
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peeps sr wrote:
Prior to the all-time winner of worst bikes (voted in by tabulating hospital records) the Suzuki TM 400 Cyclone, this bad boy, the 1968 Bultaco 360...
Prior to the all-time winner of worst bikes (voted in by tabulating hospital records) the Suzuki TM 400 Cyclone, this bad boy, the 1968 Bultaco 360 El Bandito, turned a many a man in to screaming little boys as it tank slapped and augered them to the ground. I can still hear the screams of young men hollering "moooommmmie" as this bike brutally tank slapped for hundreds of feet before bike-slamming them to the ground


JPT wrote:
I'll bet a thousand years from now, when archeoligists dig around where the old tracks were, they'll be wondering what the significance of all these pieces...
I'll bet a thousand years from now, when archeoligists dig around where the old tracks were, they'll be wondering what the significance of all these pieces of black and white fiberglass was. The life expectancy of one of those back fenders was about two races, less for the front.

I remember seeing a guy run off the track and hit an embankment. Detroyed the front wheel and the hub broke into three pieces.
At age 15-16, I was going around with a chubby, because of this bike.

Well, maybe not 'just' the bike....
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1979 Can-Am (Canned-Ham) MX-5 250
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1990 KTM LC4 MX 600. It would backfire and blow the carb right out of the airbox boot. Spongy suspension, weird starting ritual and could barely get out of it's own way. Traded that oil leaking pig in on a 96 RM250. The one that ate 19 dollar sparkplugs.
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Photobucket" class="img-fluid" />......"78 mx 250 she was fast but mechanically she lagged ,I ripped the cylinder base bolts right out of the case. Although it seemed like we had the susp. travel she steered like a tank,if my dad didnt build so many parts for Harley I would have never bought her. It was cool to say that I had the only true Harley Mxer , I still would rather ride the Elsinore...
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Matthes' podcast with Rich Taylor describes what happened with the 97 CR250. The frames kept breaking, so they kept stiffening them. Rich (the factory tester) said he told them the bike was unrideable, but it was too close to release date and they let that bike fly.
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Dropbear wrote:
I hated my '81 pro-link CR125. GUTLESS

My '80 twin shock was so much better, even the infamous 1979 23" wheel CR was better.
I'll second that one. I had both the 125 AND the 250 in 81. To make matters worse, I was waiting for a pair of full floaters from Suzuki, and both went on to kick some serious ass that year. I got impatient b/c the Suzy's were late in arriving. Fuck me. And I had ridden Suzukis exclusively to that point. That is what I got for being unfaithful....both those Hondas were terrible that year.
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1993 YZ 125 was one of the worse bikes I have ever owned. Slow as molasses and had to rev it to the moon to get any momentum. Also had a terrible bog which caused me a broken wrist. Gave up riding for awhile after riding that POS.
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lumpy790 wrote:
A shop gave me a 414 Montessa to race.......the further you jumped....the more sideways it went....scary!!!
Highsider wrote:
Never heard of a 414 and I considered myself to be a Montesa fan...back in the day(bitd)Blink

Your story scares me just hearing it.
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They look nice though[img]http://blogimg0.ifrance.com/00/04/f5/324935.jpg[/img]
They look nice though
I had many Montesa's but the worst by far was their 1976 Montesa 360cc VB The clutch was mounted on the end of the crankshaft.
It had sand cast engine cases that after 1 month all the bearings would be spinning around. Back hub kept breaking and the underslung pipe got flatted all the time.
Lucky I was sponsored by the importers so got replacement parts okay.
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Rupert X wrote:
http://dirtbike.off-road.com/dirtbike/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=265930 Fascinating. How many of these POS's have you owned ? Actually, they list my Yam 490 in there - and I'm not sure it was...
http://dirtbike.off-road.com/dirtbike/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=2659…

Fascinating. How many of these POS's have you owned ?

Actually, they list my Yam 490 in there - and I'm not sure it was THAT terrible.

Sure, it broke a lot. But wheelies were infinite jogs of joy.


"For sale-1972 Suzuki TM-400. Only ten hours on bike. Possible injury forces sale. $500 or best offer."


hehe......
I had a buddy with a early '80's Husky 500. Holy crap, I don't know how he rode the thing. It made power unpredictably and vibrated like a two-ton dildo. I rode it once and never again.
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Why isnt this on the list. At least the 81 450 moved.

Horrible Suspension. All low end with no top or mid. If the seat was replaced with marble it would have felt better. Vibration was out of control.
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Why isnt this on the list. At least the 81 450 moved. [img]http://www.motocrossactionmag.com/Media/News/1999%20cr250_0.jpg[/img] Horrible Suspension. All low end with no top or mid. If the seat...
Why isnt this on the list. At least the 81 450 moved.

Horrible Suspension. All low end with no top or mid. If the seat was replaced with marble it would have felt better. Vibration was out of control.
Isnt that the bike that pretty much made McGrath leave Honda?
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This list could definitely be updated. Most noteably the 97 CR250R, the 2004 Suzuki/Kawasaki RMZ/KXF 250!
10/26/2010 9:45pm
The worst bike i had was a 1974 yamaha mx360. What a POS, it had the worst yama-hop ever. I bought after market shocks for it but it didn't help the yama-hop. There were times I was riding it through the bumps and the rear end would try to pass the front end scaring the crap out of me. The brakes were good if you were related to Fred Flintstone. I would let my friends ride it and they would come back with a scared look on their faces shaking there heads. I would like to include the 1981 kx 420. it look nice, but handle like a maytag washing machine. Kawasaki drop all support for the bike mid year and dump the rest of the bikes on the dealer floor. I bought one for eight hundred brand new at the dealer. I thought I was getting a deal and ended up with nothing but problems. The Kawasaki dealer knew me on a first name bases.
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THE LIST! 10. 1974 HUSKY 450 DESERT MASTER. The head engineer, Reuben Helmen, designed this lost cause at the urging of his cousin- who he promptly...
THE LIST!
10. 1974 HUSKY 450 DESERT MASTER. The head engineer, Reuben Helmen, designed this lost cause at the urging of his cousin- who he promptly disowned. This bike was 35 pounds heavier than previous Huskies, worlds slower, had an awkwardly spaced gearbox and a stupid power curve. It also had ancient Girling shocks that lived to puke seals and forks that had more metal shavings than fork oil in each leg. The exhaust burned your leg, brakes were gruesome and shifting was ugly. It also seeped mung and drool out of every gasket surface. Handling was best described as spooky. The engine pinged like it was running on kerosene and items fell off the bike like they were held on with Scotch tape.

9. 1981 HONDA CR450. Actually, it was a 430. A 430 with a hopelessly spaced four- speed gearbox and a powerband like the tip on an X-Acto blade. It shook the steering head like someone removed the bearings, and tracked like a buffalo on steroids. The front number plate looked like a hangnail, and the suspension was a mass of confused Showa leftovers that didn't like each other. -This bike would get into a high-speed wobble at 38 mph, stalled easily and the odd spacing in the gear box always kept you over-revving the engine or bogging below the power curve.

Oh sure, it had a lot of power, but the power delivery was freaky. It would either hit hard, or hesitate, but you were never sure which would happen. Geared for off-road use, low gear would take you out to 45 mph, while fourth gear might squeak up to 80. Topping off its list of bad habits was that it was hard to start when cold, harder to start if you dropped it and when it got hot, and it tended to foul plugs and ping.

8._ROKON 340. Brought out in the mid'70s, the Rokon was supposed to be the answer for those of us who hated to shift. All versions of the Rokon were very heavy, and loved to plow straight-on ahead, even if you sort of wanted to turn at the time.
To start the big Sachs engine you had to tug at a rope-starter, which took a strong arm and an even stronger patience level. It came poorly jetted, and when it loaded up you would rip half the calluses off your hand before getting things spinning.
We talked about the belt drive earlier, and the less said about this the better. The thing was fast and had disc brakes to slow it down. Sadly, they worked intermittently, and the master cylinder often boiled over, leaving you with a lever that came back to the grip and a corner that rushed up to meet you. Gearing down was impossible with the torque converter, which meant you free- wheeled into turns and down hills. Spooky.

7._YAMAHA SC-500 SCRAMBLER. Another four-speed brute, this 1973-'74 two-stroke single ran hot, detonated fiercely, stalled constantly and seized regularly. After testing the bike, I noted: "It's gray and black; so is a turkey." Brutally fast, the SC-500 was cursed with state-of-the-dark forks and a pair of chromed shocks that would have faded on a busy barroom door. It shook its steering head like a dog coming out of a swimming pool and the rear end hopped around like the frame had a hinge in the middle. All things considered, the only thing this bike did right was not leak around the gas cap.



6. HARLEY-DAVIDSON BAJA 100. H-D brought this little stinker out to capture the small-bore trail bike market that was dominated by Hodaka at the time-the early '70s. They contracted with the Italian Aermacchi factory, which responded with a hopelessly tall, short-wheelbased, underpowered, ill-handling package that nearly defied belief.
Still, H-D put together a desert racing team that started to dominate the trail bike class, so people went out and bought the Bajas in droves, only to find out they weren't buying what was being raced.

The race bikes had everything changed! The stock bikes came with rigid footpegs, no horsepower to speak of, a huge overlay sprocket on the rear wheel that constantly came loose, a tank shaped like a mailbox, a saddle that felt like plywood and a strange metal hook strategically placed to rip your crotch off if you crashed. It also had stupid bars, dumb fat grips from a street bike and a suspension that had more side-to-side travel than up-and-down stroke. I called it "a re-hashed Italian street bike with no redeeming traits." Yes, we promptly lost the H-D ads at the magazine.

5. CZ 250 ENDURO. It was hard to believe that CZ would foist a pile like this mid-'70s bummer off on the public, but they did. Seeing a chance to get a piece of the enduro market, they simply took a late '60s frame, a dated engine, electrics that would have trouble lighting-off an .049" model airplane engine and suspension components that did little more than hold up the bike.

It had rigid footpegs, a huge, bulbous tank, an exhaust that burned the leg, a speedo that didn't work and various bits and pieces that were attached with pure afterthought technology. The first time I fired up our test bike, the horn fell off on the ground. After I rode the bike 100 yards, the battery fell out and the wiring loom melted. In the next 20 minutes, the plug cap came off, the air filter fell off, the muffler cracked and wedged into the rear wheel, the gas cap leaked, both fuel lines cracked, a tire went flat and the throttle stuck wide open.

The feeble engine was also horribly over-geared, the kickstarter would stick on the frame, fork seals weeped like a garden hose and the motor mounts fell out. This mount signaled the beginning of the end for CZ sales in the United States, and rightfully so.

4. YAMAHA YZ490 (MOST YEARS). Yamaha introduced the YZ 490 in 1982, after a solid run with the YZ465. Sadly, the 490 was heavier than the 465, nowhere near as reliable, horribly difficult to start (hot or cold), came with a grim suspension, vibrated enough to bring blisters to your hands and was impossible to jet.

If you jetted it rich enough to keep this dog from seizing, it would blubber, puke, foul plugs and produce no power. If you jetted it to run strong, it would invariably seize. It came with air leaks, a wandering ignition, gimpy motor mounts and the worst case of Yamahop at high speeds since the original DT-1. Yamaha issued a mountain of service bulletins to try to fix the problems. None of them worked.

3. PENTON 125 MUD LARK. In 1973, John Penton was selling some great race and enduro bikes that were being produced by KTM in Austria. However, he was forced to buy a whole load of the Sachs 125B engines in order to get a supply of the "good" engines. So, to get rid of the B engines, John contracted with Wassel, an English fabricator, and they threw together a frame, a set of wretched Betor forks, ginky shocks and a layout that made you feel like you were sitting on the edge of a pinball machine.

John called it the Penton Trials, but not even Batman could have ridden it in a trials event. There was no power at all, the gearbox was spaced oddly and it wouldn't turn without plowing the front end. So, in desperation, John renamed it the Mud Lark, a sort of all-purpose play machine. In fact, it was a no-purchase dirt bike, and will go down in history as one of the few bad business decisions ever made by savvy John Penton.

2. ANY THREE-WHEELER. Yup, the All- Terrain Cycle, or ATC, was introduced by Honda to let people who didn't have the skills to balance a regular two-wheeled bike ride in the dirt. Cute little buggers, the ATCs sold like crazy. Then savvy people started noticing that they handled like a shopping cart loaded with bowling balls with one locked front wheel going down a flight of stairs.

People started doing wonderful things like riding over their own legs and biffing over
the bars when the things got into a high- speed wobble-you know, anything over 20 mph. Suspension on these early three-wheelers? Nothing. Zip. Nada. Zero. Just three balloon tires were there to take the impacts.

As the years passed, the ATVs got more and more powerful and they gave them forks and shocks. This let the unstable triangle wallow around, as well as defy the laws of physics when trying to turn. The rest is history. Three-wheelers are no longer being made. However, be warned! They're still out there, wiggling and lurching around the trails and sandpits of America.

1. And the winner (or loser, actually) is:

THE 1971 SUZUKI TM-400R CYCLONE! It weighed 242 pounds, dry, and delivered about 40 hp at 6850 rpm. Sometimes it delivered it at 4400 rpm. At other times, it would deliver it just when you least expected it. You see, the Cyclone had a weird ignition that would go from a starting mode to full advance whenever it felt like it. Even a change in temperature would change the power hit.

Picture this: you're exiting a hard- packed turn in second gear and you roll the throttle on. All of a sudden, the engine lurches into the fat part of the power curve and the rear end leaps out about three feet. The chassis shudders and sends you sailing into the clear blue sky in a nice arc. Moments later, you thump into the ground, painfully, and then a microsecond after that, the Cyclone lands on top of you.

Adding to the bizarre powerband was a set of forks that went rigid on square bumps and rear shocks that faded from anything hotter than headlight glare. Many companies produced endless handling and frame modification kits. None of these things seemed to help much, but the bike cost only $995 brand new and people kept buying them, trying to make them work. They all failed, to one degree or another, to tame the Cyclone.

The legacy of the TM-400 can be summed up in an ad that appeared in a newspaper:

"For sale-1972 Suzuki TM-400. Only te
HOLY SHIT RUP! You madman........did you type all that up?? One of the best God damn posts ever man!

I didn't read through this entire thread , so I don't know if this bike got mentioned .....But I would have to say the 97" Honda CR250. First year of the perimeter frame....and it was like riding a 2X6 with wheels! God that bike sucked!

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