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Manufactures are screwing their clients by way of TEMU. I have friend who sold sunglasses and the manufacture was selling his product on TEMU for less than he was buying it for. The MX stuff you see on TEMU can be manufacture's defects or them just selling good product through the back door with lack of concern for the XYZ company.
my son had 3 pairs of Armegas we paid $15 a pair for. the logo on the strap isn't embossed like a legit pair and lenses nor tear offs are interchangeable. he bought them himself and can throw them away when he's finished.
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I bought some Fasthouse gloves and a jersey for trail rides. Gave them all away, definitely not the same quality.
We all know the old saying, if something seems to good to be true, it usually is. I feel like that applies with Temu. I stay clear of that place.
Don't know whether to upvote for truth or downvote because the truth hurts.... What to do...
This ^.
Unfortunately or fortunately , depending on how you look at it. Most people are not willing to pay more for US made items. If there were more people demanding that stuff was made here, and not buying the discounted versions from sites like Temu there would be more US made stuff.
Buying the items from a legit brand supports americans and american workers . When You go to Temu You cut out the US distributors who are sponsoring racers, paying sales people, warehouse workers,designers, and performing the R&D to design and make the prototypes, covering costs for molds and tooling , that buy adds on THIS site and others . And of course liability Insurance is also a part of the products cost when it comes from the true source. You also are cutting out the local dealer who pays local taxes, has other workers , pays an accountant , and chances are helps support multiple other small local businesses.
The factory that is pumping out the cheap versions, has been handed the designs, what materials to use, etc. They have not had to come up with the idea, design it, make a prototype and test it. Refine the design, Take on the risk of liability. Build a brand. etc. All they have to do is pump out the products and ship em out. As a person who designs stuff. I will tell you that the process of coming up with original designs and not using clip art or other designs for inspiration, can be time consuming and difficult at times. And the final act of producing the item often can take less time than the designing and refining process.
When You buy from those places You are helping support a factory who steals from the people who put all the work into making an idea become a product. If people are really wanting US made items , send the brand's images of receipts and show them how much YOU already spend with them. And let them know how much more You would spend to have a US made option.
By buying directly from sites like this, all You are telling the big brands is that You don't care who makes it , and You are willing to cut out the many US workers who are responsible for the product , and support the cheap labor part if You can get it cheaper. Congrats , You just convinced another brand to move their manufacturing offshore.
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True. I buy my road bike bibs and sometimes jerseys off AliExpress. Decent quality for the price but I’m a medium in US sizes and sometimes an XL in Chinese sizes. Spexcel brand has bibs for cheap.
You laid this out well…
My company buys an electronic component for ~$2000 and sells it for $20,000. Everything you listed (design, R&D, warranty coverage, service support etc) all costs money which is why the part is $20k.
In my honest opinion, the average American IS willing to pay a bit more for US made products. What they are NOT willing to do is pay 10-20x profit margin markups on products just because they are USA made.
There's a big difference between those two thoughts and I feel it's appropriate that we treat them as such. I try to buy US made when I can, but when push comes to shove, if I can save a considerable amount of money buying the imported option, i'm going to take it because i'm trying to be fiscally responsible with my spending, especially on stuff for hobbies.
If US distributors are unwilling to change their pricing strategies to compete with overseas distributors like TEMU, especially in today's economic environment where our buying power is extremely low, they have to understand that they will lose customers & sales when consumers can get the product, or even a knockoff that does an equivalent job, at prices we can afford. It is what it is.
This brings up the chicken and the egg question... Can we not afford to buy US made products because manufacturers decided to ship all operations offshore, thereby effectively reducing wages here, or is the overwhelming desire to have cheap shit the problem?
I don't remember there being an issue with people affording things back in the day when EVERYTHING we consumed as Americans were made by Americans, and companies were run by individuals who fostered a culture where a rising tide lifted all ships, and not corporations looking increase stock prices.
All this to say the race to increase profits and reduce costs has gotten to the point where it is almost untennable for the average American without supporting cheap overseas product.
I ordered an Extra Large sweatshirt. The tag said XL but it was so small I had to give it to my 12 year old daughter. Fit her perfect.
The thing is, that they would not be marking it up 10 or 20 times to be made in the US. The cost of producing the item would rise and they may make the same or less profit.
Labor in the US costs a lot more. A quick google search showed that factory workers in China can make as little as $3.60 per hour. While the lowest US # 's I saw was $16.00 per hour.
That is the problem, You can often have something made in China and shipped for much less than making the same thing in the US.
Saying that the US distributors should adjust their prices to be competitive with Temu is like saying Your local Car dealership should change their pricing to be competitive with the local car thief.
The Brand name items sold on sites like Temu , are stealing all of the work it takes to design, the R&D, marketing to make you even want the big brand name, etc. They get the designs sent to them, and make them.
To get pricing down to a similar level , they would have to Stop R&D on products, Not Pay designers and or steel the designs, advertise very little , Not sponsor ANYBODY. Not pay lawyers and insurance to cover their liabilities , etc. All of that costs money.
Would you feel better if a company was to outsource all of the designing, R&D, stop supporting the sport with any type of sponsorship, Cut advertising dramatically , get rid of local dealers . But have the factory make the items in the US?? That is how the items on Temu can be the same exact item , but cost much less. They are stealing all of those things.
I totally get it, Dirtbikes are expensive, both my parents worked hard to make ends meet and make sure all of their kids had everything they needed. I had to work and save for almost every bike I ever have gotten myself. Buying my first bike at 5 years old. It needed repairing, I had saved money from doing work around the yard and birthday/Xmas. I can not afford everything I would like to have. And who doesn't like to save money I'm not judging anybody who buys from those places. Just explaining how they can do it and a legit company can not.
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That's a much harder question to answer. But at this point, its hard to put the toothpaste back in the tube. Everybody is so used to the impact the cheaper labor has had on everything. And the economy is more of a world wide thing now. And it was a much more localized thing back then.
The strength of the US dollar is partly at fault to a degree. When the Euro was worth 2 US dollars I was shipping orders over to Ireland and all over. All of a sudden US labor was half the price it was . China has been able to become the world's factory by keeping the value of their currency lower relative to the rest of the world. Perhaps if the US was exporting more back when we had a more manufacturing being done in the US. It is a question beyond my knowledge and experience at this point in my life. I feel like it is a mix of many things.
My dad worked at a box factory. He started at the bottom and was running most of it at one point. I worked there when I was still in school. And it was mostly people not from the US that were working there. Some old timers who had been there almost as long as the owner. Some longer since it was second generation at that point. But they had a hard time finding quality labor. And the best workers were the older people and the people that moved to the US. My dad worked there for 60 years! There was 1 other guy that was there as long. a few 40 year long workers. But most of the younger newer workers were coming in from other countries. They did work for high end brands. Tiffany's , the Secret Service, FBI, and a hand full of high end jewelry brands. They were sold and my Dad retired. I think some of the problem is getting skilled people to work in manufacturing. And schooling that was looking down on the trades and factory workers.
check alibaba. I've seen some A frame kits in the $10-15k range not counting shipping.
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I had a friend who bought a couple sets of that last fall. I saw two of his jerseys get shredded in crashes. Now they were pretty decent crashes, but it seemed excessive. Not sure if his was of the "back door" variety or just a knockoff.
Either way I'm not buying anything from there because it screws over people in our industry.
I've seen some of the folding houses. 20'x24' show up at local auctions and it is a full house. Toilet, kitchen. Surprisingly complete might be built similar to an inexpensive camper. Not sure, I'll have to try and get inside one the next time they have one locally. I like the idea of being able to unfold a guest house . I doubt they meet local codes to use as a fulltime home. But maybe some of them do. It is crazy what they can make and ship, and have it still cost less somehow.
You must not have been around when Oakley first came out with their Blades….more like $3 to produce
yeah they sell the low quality pop-up units basically a shipping container with cheap fixtures. what I'm talking about is something like a steel framing kit that may come with some sandwich panels or cheap wood to cover it.
One thing to keep in mind is our spending power has been cut drastically. I looked into this about 6 months ago.
If you think back to the early 2000's, $100k was an above average income (at least where im from in Southcentral PA). Nowadays, it's much more common to make $100k for families. However, for you to have the same spending power as a family making $100k in the early 2000s you would have to make between $171,000-189,000, based on the data I saw.
I'm in Australia, I use Aliexpress, and pay via Paypal, I buy at least one thing a week for the last 18 months, never an issue.
I needed to rebuild the front brake caliper on my RMZ450, but I bought a whole new CRF caliper (which bolts on to RMZ) via Aliexpress, with pads (that work ok) for less than pads & seal rebuild kit locally. $45 AUD delivered, I guess that's around $30 US?
Wont see Canvas on there... Lol
I enjoy browsing AliExpress and recently came across a pair of Renthal Twinwall handlebars. From the pictures that customers have posted, they look legit but I wouldn’t risk putting them on my bike lol 😂
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