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Hope Forkner is Okay. That section has been sketchy all day the way they are wheeling and then tripling. Slow the rhythms down and make the jumps steeper and less distance that way if you mess up its not catastrophic. And itll increase lap times. These tracks have to change.
Meh.... this track has raced great. One big crash will get magnified because it was the leader. It's not supposed to be easy.
i dont understand it. Tomac seemed to clip it the same way forkner did and nothing happened.
can't tell you why exactly, but that PC 250 i think is just unforgiving...
Forkner has crashed himself out of contention 8 years in a row ... I don't think it was the rhythm
The point isn't just about Forkner. It is the dumb designs and the idea that a 45 second track on a LARGE football stadium will get 25-30 laps with more powerful bikes than before. The rhythms are really fast and they can easily slow the pace down by change the shape of the jumps. At this point they are going 3rd gear pinned INTO a rhythm section wheeling. It was multiple racers who got hurt on that dumb section all night long. I am all for rubbing is racing, and technical tracks. But lets be real. Build some damn whoops longer than 9 pads and slow down the rhythms so when the guy does go off of the bike it isn't at such a high damn speed. Not rocket science here
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You honestly think changing the track is gonna slow the best riders in the world down? Or have them take less of a risk on a rhythm if it gives them an edge? You’re all dumber than I thought and that’s saying something.
I agree with what Phil said on pulp. Fuck the TV time slot. The tracks need more prep in between races. These bikes are so damn fast and guys are going faster than ever before. They wanna do 9 whoops for safety but can’t do proper track work on a 45 second track. It’s pretty pathetic.
It's the exact opposite of making jumps steeper you need. You can keep the jump faces, but need less angle for the landings so you minimize the risk of clipping it.
When it's that steep of landing, you also run the risk of landing flat with not enough room to the next jump face because they are so afraid of clipping it with the rear wheel they tend to over jump to be safe, which cause other risks. Plenty of examples last night.
Was it Trasher in last race, same thing in the long rythm, clipping rear wheel?
Kawi does seem really harsh.
That crash could have happened on any bike. He didn’t wheelie enough to totally preload the suspension, didn’t get the height because of it and clipped.
I do think fourstrokes have fucked SX in terms of excitement and racing but this wasn’t because of the bike.
I actually brought up the video of Brian deegan ghost riding his bike in 97 because my wife was asking why Hayden did it last night. She was shocked at how slow they were going back then and how different the tracks were. Kevin windham had two pretty good get offs in that race but because they aren’t flying through the air for 90% of the race and going so much slower he was able to get back on and continue the race. It almost seems like today if a rider crashes, besides a tip over, they are done for the season at least the night.
Youre right, I havent raced for 31 years, didnt race local pro for 5 of those years, havent encountered many types of track obstacles. My bad for giving my opinion.
From start of practice I could see how sketchy that jump was, because of the knuckle on the landing. If you cased it your bike would compress and unload on the face of the other (like Forkner). Many people had close calls there (Barcia and Vialle come to mind)
No reason to have a rhythm your hitting at 3rd gear like that. If so make it spaced more where you have time to correct your case. Rhythms like that are way more.dangerous then something right out of a turn because the speed your carrying.
The tracks have to change. 2 rounds in and we are now missing Ferry, Forkner, Swoll, and however many others
They don’t understand how speed correlates on the track. Steeper more technical out of turns and you don’t get the high speed crashes. Again, this is not hard.
Now that you took the time to brag about your accomplishments, I think you missed the point where I said these riders will RISK IT FOR THE BISCUIT ON ANY TRACK YOU PUT IN FRONT OF THEM! On a side note Feld will never change the tracks because their business isn’t rider safety, it’s entertainment. Nothing brings the views like guys wadding themselves, sad but a very true fact.
So feld limiting number of whoops and dragons back for rider safety isn’t feld changing the tracks?
sx is just super dangerous always will be. If the tracks are made to simple the racing will be boring. I think a case could be made for steeper transitions to slow the tracks down but steeper transitions means deeper ruts and more track degradation. We need less racing and more track prep.
I agree, Supercross is super dangerous. Riding a motorcycle is super dangerous, we all know that from day one. These riders knew the track, knew where the risks were and decided they were worth the reward. Austin had navigated that section 12-15 times before he crashed, was it a bad crash? Hell yeah it was and I hope he is ok, was it the tracks fault? No. If we want to improve something I think the medical attention these riders receive trackside needs to be addressed, there is absolutely no way he should have been stood up and made to walk to the mule, strap his ass to a board!
I agree that supercross has gotten too fast. I'd rather see super technical, slower rhythms that reward perfect technique and timing over balls out wide open jumping. Steeper take offs and more forgiving landings should be a priority. Spend the money and get more dirt.
Want to slow them down?
Don’t “fix” the track after timed practice. Let it rut out and get rough as hell.
Mitch said a long time ago. It’s not the obstacle it’s the speed . Entry speed needs to be slowed down.
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Except forkners crash was just that, his timing was slightly off and he came up short.
Swoll died on the same section
I rewatched the race this morning and was comparing Forkner’s riding style to other riders in both classes. It looked to me like Austin really rides over the front of the bike in rhythm sections a lot more than most other riders. Almost like he throws his weight forward as soon as he leaves a jump face. This is great for getting back on the power immediately upon landing, providing you successfully clear the jump. Am I crazy, or is this a thing?
Keep in mind, he had to turn up the pace at the end of the race when he saw Deegan gaining. That is never easy to do.
My thoughts are with forkner after one of the worst wrecks ive seen in 30 years of watching supercross.....however you cant change the track because of one riders mistake.
Tomac has the technique and man strength to not get ejected. Completely guessing, I don't know
Ive been saying this exact thing for years.
Hard to do with less dirt. If they were serious about safety they would have more nets, and rhythms that are challenging but aren't so high speed. Wrecking is inevitable in this sport, but they can do things to make it so the riders when they do go down it isn’t as catastrophic.
Make the track flat and made of foam. AND MAKE THEM RACE SCOOTER
Not going to happen, the "fans" demand the circus they're getting and the ante goes up every year. Then they cry to mama when someone like AF hits the concrete. It's not even really racing anymore....it's straight rhythm.
Then quit watching and go away.
All you do is bitch and moan about how the sport is now, how you hate 4 strokes, how you hate the Lawrences, how you hate e-bikes, how unfair it is everyone else doesn’t want to suck off Webb like you, how much tougher you used to be than the new kids etc. etc. etc.
You just fucking bitch like a little bitch. To top it off your too big of a bitch to even ride!
If everything sucks so bad then just go away so we don’t have to listen to your old ass drivel on and on.
Seriously.
I agree. I mean the riders have the track down to a science after the first two laps. After that it just pushing the envelope to find seconds. What happened to tracks that took a full morning practice to get the sections down where the riders had to slow down and think. Now it’s just 25+ laps of wide open risking it fifth gear for a 10th
Exactly my point on McGrath
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