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They dont.... not at race pace.
I love my Stark, but it won't last two hours at race pace. Easily one hour if fast trail riding, charge for 30 mins, then finish. Maybe it will be calculated guess of how much to charge before heading out for the second hour.
The only time ive seen this work is someone on a KTM Freeride that has a second battery. There is a dude that runs IXCR and he will pit midway through the race and swap batteries. Not much slower than filling up.
have to be a very short course?
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my dumbass over here thinking they were adding a class lower than D/Beginner
Reality check....
E-bikes don't work for the majority of people who ride (range, distance).
....but hey.....keep on pushing this shit.
Right there with ya
For pros sure I doubt they can last 2 h.
Now it will be interesting to see if an amateur can get decent pace in a 2 h race. Given there are already Varg owners racing 90 min hare scrambles in the US, also racing winter Enduro series in Northern Europe, 2 h will be stretching it, absolutely, but we will see if it can be within reach, depending on conditions and riders skills.
The beauty of it is that this will be answered in real life racing bikes, not on Vital
...by pushing, which will add to the fun.
Am I missing something here?
Wouldn’t you adjust power output to last 2hrs? Won’t that be part of the eClass strategy ?
Same way if you couldn’t add fuel you would have to slow it down to finish deal.
It’s an eClass, it won’t be the same as the ICE class. Eventually, it will become the norm. 🍿
Well I need that class to be created for my slow self 🤣
GNCC can split the am race and the first lasts just 90min.
The bulletin says 10am race specifically. Maybe if they are gated in the last wave that could take about 10 minutes off the race time. Seems like the 90 minute race would be the better idea though, but maybe the idea is to introduce some strategy whether its battery preservation or 3, 10 minute charging breaks or the like.
Again it's a good idea to try things out and see what works and what doesn't in low stakes situations outside premier class racing.
No reason for GNCC not to add the class, they can just add the class and they will start on their own row if they can last 2 hours great if not then they'll figure it out. Honestly the best way for these guys to have fun is when you are all on the line together come up with an agreement that they'll all do 3-4 laps if they all think they can get an hour or a little more from the bikes then pull off.
Keeps it competitive and nobody is pushing a dead bike out of the woods
I have raced my surron at 2 separate gncc's Camp Coker and the Mountaineer. I had 2 battery's with a good result at the Mountaineer which is a much more technical track i lead the opening lap and finished 4th without any real issues. However at Camp Coker which is a bit sandy my fist battery died just before my pit. I was able to push the bike about a quater mile and swap the battery then my second battery started giving out about a quater mile from the finish and i was able to limp it in.
I had a 4kwh battery and the stock 2kwh battery for a total of 6kwh. I think you realistically need 8 to 10 kwh for a 2 hour race pace.
I don’t think the GNCC series is “pushing this shit.” They added a class for people who have electric dirtbikes. Just because you have something against E bikes it doesn’t mean everyone else has to. Just because you think this sport can only have the type of bikes you want in it that doesn’t mean everyone else has to think that way too.
The GNCC added a class. They didn’t take one away or replace a different class with this one. You are offended because the GNCC series is making more classes for more people to enjoy the sport. Thats about as stupid as it gets. If the GNCC series starts thinking like you and starts trying to limit what people ride rather than try to expand it, that’s when things will become a problem.
Maybe we'll be on the same row.
Pit Row
looks like the Surrons wont be eligible for this class because of the small wheel base.
The 58" wheelbase requirement eliminates the light bee and others of the same size from the class, but the ultra bee with removable battery does seem to be legal.
Edit: it's a 53" wheelbase requirement, not 58. Adding 100mm (4") to a light bee swingarm should be enough to make it legal.
I have an extended swingarm and big wheels on my surron not sure what the wheelbase is on it currently but there is a ton of aftermarket for the surrons. I just raced an age class at the 2 i did. This was 2 years ago.
If there were an F class I might be able to participate .
“…beauty…” ?
Talk about not seeing the forest thru the trees...
Do I need to spell it out for you? What happens when ICE bikes are gone? Save the "there will always be gas and ICE" bikes" bullshit. ....and save the "there will be better battery technology" bullshit too.
I don’t need to “save” anything. There you go again, thinking you’re so special you get to designate what everyone else’s opinion is.
Right , just like 2 strokes were going to go away totally. And 3 wheelers that have not been made for 40 years are still around and You can buy parts for them still. And they were banned . First by a 10 year ban, that was extended voluntarily until 2008 when a law was passed built into the lead paint on toys law. In 2008 the law said that no new production 3 wheel ATV's can be imported or sold in the US. Conversions ,custom builds and prototypes are allowed. And parts can still be bought, used 3 wheelers can be bought and sold, rebuilt.
There are many many more things that are 100's of times worse for the environment than a gas powered dirtbike.
You and others have said that the people who want to ban dirtbikes will stop at nothing. Eliminating the sound will not help. How will the existence of an electric MX bike make it any easier for them to ban gas bikes? If the electric bike can not help open riding spots, How will it hurt ? If Gas bikes are doomed , and electric is the only way of keeping MX alive, what's wrong with keeping the sport alive in some form? VS letting it die?
There are still so many people that do not want to let go of their gas bikes. Look at older cars. they have not built some in many years. Yet you can still get parts for them and drive them. They do not pass emissions standards, safety standards and are not as refined and comfortable to drive. Yet they still exist, and can be insured and driven on public roads. And You can buy replacement parts for them as long as there is a demand. reproduction and aftermarket pops up were the demand is.
The only thing that will kill gas bikes off totally, is if nobody wants to ride them anymore. If electric evolves to the point that it has better range and quicker recharging , and or the price for electric is much lower. Laws can be made and changed. Look at the recent changes in stuff that has become legal and illegal.
Had me thinking about coming out of retirement!
It will be interesting to see how they do. and what they do to be able to finish. If they try and swap a battery or just try and run lower power settings. Or who knows. I wonder if they could make a backpack worn range extender that would not increase risk of being shocked in a crash. Something similar to the backpacks they offer for cordless tools.
Good to see GNCC taking a leadership position.....
I wonder where they got the idea. The Florida Trail Riders approved an E class to race on Saturdays in early January. There is no agenda pushing, people have these bikes so why not make a class for them? I don't see any negatives.
US Sprint Enduro series also added an e class this year. I have been racing my surron in that series for the last 2 years, it is really the perfect offroad format for ebikes as you have plenty of time between tests to swap a battery or add a little charge.
Also with my surron i can go hard for about 20 mins before i start really wishing for some better (big bike) suspension haha.
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