Hunter Lawrence?

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2/5/2024 4:41am

Give the dude some time, He´s raced 3 races where 2 were mudders, He´s a 450 rookie so tbh top 10 in the standings is good in my book. I do think he´s better than that but as some guys said, he seems to take his time to improve, i guess past injuries play a role in that.

BTW, he´s 11th after prado but in front of stablished guys like Craig and Stewart and in front of fellow Rookie-ish Cooper.

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2/5/2024 5:04am
MX690 wrote:
Well he did miss a round, so to sit in tenth after missing a round isn't to bad, I would think he would get better, guess...

Well he did miss a round, so to sit in tenth after missing a round isn't to bad, I would think he would get better, guess we'll find out.

JazzyJJ wrote:

Are you talking about the main that he failed to qualify for? That would be another strike against him, not something to give him credit for.

Let's be fair to the guy- he didnt just fail to qualify due to lack of speed or skill, he was hunted in his first start on a 450 & rung his bell pretty hard. 

Then followed by a couple of mudders, so realistically round 4 was his first real attempt at his 450 rookie season. 

He's doing just fine given the circumstances. Had that crash at A1 not happened, im sure his season would be looking quite different.

DNS, 10th, 7th, 11th, 8th so far sitting him in 10th O/A. 

We can confidently say that had he not DNS at A! he would be in front of Barcia in the standings right now, putting him 9th.
 

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2/5/2024 5:08am

Feels really disingenuous how you refer to Ferrandis. Yes he’s not on a factory team anymore (seems like his decision). Like if he was still on Star, would anyone be using “Hunter is behind Ferrandis in points!” as a knock to how Hunters rookie season has gone? Ferrandis has multiple 450SX podiums, won a 450 outdoors championship. You make it sound like he’s behind a dude out of a sprinter van. 

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2/5/2024 5:10am
Let's be fair to the guy- he didnt just fail to qualify due to lack of speed or skill, he was hunted in his first start...

Let's be fair to the guy- he didnt just fail to qualify due to lack of speed or skill, he was hunted in his first start on a 450 & rung his bell pretty hard. 

Then followed by a couple of mudders, so realistically round 4 was his first real attempt at his 450 rookie season. 

He's doing just fine given the circumstances. Had that crash at A1 not happened, im sure his season would be looking quite different.

DNS, 10th, 7th, 11th, 8th so far sitting him in 10th O/A. 

We can confidently say that had he not DNS at A! he would be in front of Barcia in the standings right now, putting him 9th.
 

It doesn’t matter how or why he didn’t qualify, fact is he didn’t qualify..

I think he is doing great for a rookie, he is where I originally thought. However after that impressive ride at Paris I thought he would be higher up, but as we always see, Paris doesn’t give much indication of how the season will go..

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2/5/2024 5:19am

He is NOT his brother.  Neither is he a slouch.  I'd like to see him start near Jett...see if he can latch on for a bit.

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2/5/2024 5:26am
Let's be fair to the guy- he didnt just fail to qualify due to lack of speed or skill, he was hunted in his first start...

Let's be fair to the guy- he didnt just fail to qualify due to lack of speed or skill, he was hunted in his first start on a 450 & rung his bell pretty hard. 

Then followed by a couple of mudders, so realistically round 4 was his first real attempt at his 450 rookie season. 

He's doing just fine given the circumstances. Had that crash at A1 not happened, im sure his season would be looking quite different.

DNS, 10th, 7th, 11th, 8th so far sitting him in 10th O/A. 

We can confidently say that had he not DNS at A! he would be in front of Barcia in the standings right now, putting him 9th.
 

It doesn’t matter how or why he didn’t qualify, fact is he didn’t qualify.. I think he is doing great for a rookie, he is where...

It doesn’t matter how or why he didn’t qualify, fact is he didn’t qualify..

I think he is doing great for a rookie, he is where I originally thought. However after that impressive ride at Paris I thought he would be higher up, but as we always see, Paris doesn’t give much indication of how the season will go..

Quite right, but we can acknowledge the circumstances at A1 were abnormal and not a true reflection of his skillset. 
And without this anomaly he would be solid inside the top 10. 

Similar to the argument about Sexton winning last years championship.... Did Chase win because he was the best rider? Or did he get lucky with Tomac's injury? We all know the answer.

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2/5/2024 5:40am

I'm beginning to question the deep field thing. If the field is so deep how can riders who would be past their prime 10-15 years ago be dominant now? Why can't the fast up a comers displace this current group of 28 - 32 year olds? Josh and Justin Hill still make main events, as does Freddie Noren with very limited resources. Anstie is very competitive at 30 something on a privateer bike in 250s. 

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2/5/2024 6:31am
Spoonguy wrote:
I'm beginning to question the deep field thing. If the field is so deep how can riders who would be past their prime 10-15 years ago...

I'm beginning to question the deep field thing. If the field is so deep how can riders who would be past their prime 10-15 years ago be dominant now? Why can't the fast up a comers displace this current group of 28 - 32 year olds? Josh and Justin Hill still make main events, as does Freddie Noren with very limited resources. Anstie is very competitive at 30 something on a privateer bike in 250s. 

maybe it's deep because they are all similar speeds? If McGrath never existed, there's a good chance 2-5 guys would be champions that never were because of MC, throw in a rookie RC and everyone would have been talking about how deep the field was because he was lining up against X former champions and X 250 champs.

 

This is a good time to be in the sport, we haven't had someone dominating since Villopoto, so we have a heap of "past champions"

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2/5/2024 9:32am

Other than Jett and Sexton nobody has stepped up. Forkner, Hampshire, Jordan Smith, neither Martins, guys like that are plenty fast but can't move up. And their contempararies that did like Craig, Mookie, Ciancirulo, it is always wait until next year.

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2/5/2024 10:00am
MX690 wrote:
Well he did miss a round, so to sit in tenth after missing a round isn't to bad, I would think he would get better, guess...

Well he did miss a round, so to sit in tenth after missing a round isn't to bad, I would think he would get better, guess we'll find out.

JazzyJJ wrote:

Are you talking about the main that he failed to qualify for? That would be another strike against him, not something to give him credit for.

Laughing

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2/5/2024 10:53am

If they'd just let him bypass the whoops, it could be Jett/Huntah 1 and 2 all season as predicted by many.

 

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2/5/2024 11:49am
Spoonguy wrote:
I'm beginning to question the deep field thing. If the field is so deep how can riders who would be past their prime 10-15 years ago...

I'm beginning to question the deep field thing. If the field is so deep how can riders who would be past their prime 10-15 years ago be dominant now? Why can't the fast up a comers displace this current group of 28 - 32 year olds? Josh and Justin Hill still make main events, as does Freddie Noren with very limited resources. Anstie is very competitive at 30 something on a privateer bike in 250s. 

This is the only sport where rookies are supposed to be better than 28 year olds

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2/5/2024 8:00pm

I wouldn't consider Dylan a privateer

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2/5/2024 8:05pm

Hunter finished in front of Tomac in Detroit. Not bad...

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2/5/2024 8:52pm

I’m not sure why the high standards for Hunter. Did you really expect him to come in and beat Plessinger, Sexton, Anderson, Roczen, etc? 

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2/5/2024 8:59pm
Quite right, but we can acknowledge the circumstances at A1 were abnormal and not a true reflection of his skillset.  And without this anomaly he would...

Quite right, but we can acknowledge the circumstances at A1 were abnormal and not a true reflection of his skillset. 
And without this anomaly he would be solid inside the top 10. 

Similar to the argument about Sexton winning last years championship.... Did Chase win because he was the best rider? Or did he get lucky with Tomac's injury? We all know the answer.

I agree that it was surprising he didn’t make the main, and yes he got cleaned out in the heat.,

But that LCQ performance was all on him.. 

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2/6/2024 3:47am

Hunter has always been a slow burner compared to Jett. I would expect Hunter's pace to increase through the season, being able to challenge for podiums in future. Until then, he probably needs to up the aggression a bit. He was seemingly intimated by the likes of Barcia and Anderson which is not a great sign in supercross where outright speed is not always enough.

 

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2/6/2024 3:53am
Bow977 wrote:

I’m not sure why the high standards for Hunter. Did you really expect him to come in and beat Plessinger, Sexton, Anderson, Roczen, etc? 

I did expected him to be up there battling with them on a weekly basis.

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2/6/2024 3:53am Edited Date/Time 2/6/2024 3:59am

Hunter finished in front of Tomac in Detroit. Not bad...

Wait, wait, wait…in the “John Tomac said” thread, all the fan boys are claiming Tomac raced the entire Supercross main event with a blown out shock with no damping.  A guy that knew a guy who used to mow John’s lawn said so.

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2/6/2024 4:44am

I wouldn't consider Dylan a privateer

I agree, he races for a private team that has a good bike, and doesn't pit on a van, his team have a semi, and apparently Honda HRC Us pays him bonus money for results. Was Kenny considered a privateer in 2015-16 in his RCH Suzuki days?

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2/6/2024 5:40am
MX690 wrote:
Well he did miss a round, so to sit in tenth after missing a round isn't to bad, I would think he would get better, guess...

Well he did miss a round, so to sit in tenth after missing a round isn't to bad, I would think he would get better, guess we'll find out.

DNQ is not missing a round lol. 

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2/6/2024 6:50am

I think he will . But it will take a few riders getting injured or big crash.  He is way off the pace of j law, webb, sexton, roczen, Anderson ,tomac when he is on.  I am nearly more surprised by DF14 he is miles off speed wise. 

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2/6/2024 8:16am

Jett is special, Hunter is just another 450 riders. 
 

 He’s no different than the other 250 champs that ride in 8-6. 

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2/6/2024 8:22am

I wouldn't consider Dylan a privateer

His program and Hunter’s are very different 

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2/6/2024 8:32am

I wouldn't consider Dylan a privateer

His program and Hunter’s are very different 

Dylan has Factory clamps and shows up in a semi. Different program for sure but not a true privateer by any stretch. I'm sure he's paid well by Monster, O'neal and his other sponsors. I would imagine the electronics package is the biggest difference between his bike and the Hunter brothers' bikes. 

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2/6/2024 8:33am
UpTiTe wrote:

Jett is special, Hunter is just another 450 riders. 
 

 He’s no different than the other 250 champs that ride in 8-6. 

Before the season when people here were calling for him to be top 5, fighting for podiums, I thought that was crazy talk.  Still plenty of time to see how he shapes up though I guess.

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2/6/2024 8:36am
UpTiTe wrote:

Jett is special, Hunter is just another 450 riders. 
 

 He’s no different than the other 250 champs that ride in 8-6. 

seth505 wrote:
Before the season when people here were calling for him to be top 5, fighting for podiums, I thought that was crazy talk.  Still plenty of...

Before the season when people here were calling for him to be top 5, fighting for podiums, I thought that was crazy talk.  Still plenty of time to see how he shapes up though I guess.

I think he’s tough, and does the work. With time he could very well be a podium guy with time. 

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2/6/2024 8:41am
Bow977 wrote:

I’m not sure why the high standards for Hunter. Did you really expect him to come in and beat Plessinger, Sexton, Anderson, Roczen, etc? 

If he is on the Factory Honda team than YES he is expected to beat those guys. 

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2/6/2024 8:42am
MX690 wrote:
Well he did miss a round, so to sit in tenth after missing a round isn't to bad, I would think he would get better, guess...

Well he did miss a round, so to sit in tenth after missing a round isn't to bad, I would think he would get better, guess we'll find out.

mb60 wrote:

DNQ is not missing a round lol. 

Seriously, he didn’t qualify so he missed a round 🤦‍♂️

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2/6/2024 8:51am
Bow977 wrote:

I’m not sure why the high standards for Hunter. Did you really expect him to come in and beat Plessinger, Sexton, Anderson, Roczen, etc? 

lostboy819 wrote:

If he is on the Factory Honda team than YES he is expected to beat those guys. 

What? You expect that Hunter Lawrence should be beating three past (and current) premier class champions because he happens to be on HRC?

This is not the 80's anymore.

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