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Just saw that Netflix has a new DtS style show but with NASCAR called "Full Speed." They've done F1, Golf, Womens Soccer, NASCAR and a few others I can't think of which is the problem. Most of us would obviously be way more interested in a moto version than NeckCar but, I think the market is way oversaturated by now and we missed our chance. It's too bad because a moto version of DtS with all the Jett/Hombre drama would have to draw in a bunch of new eyes.
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I’d rather have The Great Outdoors come back. Or Tom Journet’s vlogs from a couple years ago. Redbud 2022 gives me goosebumps.
I'm a fan of motocross and supercross and don't make my living in the sport. How would it be better for me if moto was to get more popular?
More coverage? There is already more content than I can consume.
More money? That sounds like higher ticket prices.
I know I'm a "curmudgeon" but I don't need or want moto to get more popular. The NFL is really popular right now, how much are tickets to the superbowl? Can the avg fan afford that?
Motorcross and supercross are not aware of their own attractiveness. It doesn't help that the people who are realizing it, are shortsighted or are working under big pressure to stand the heat from SX.
The Great Outdoors was a great DVD series, and could be a product for one of the streaming platforms. (British Superbike are on Netflix too). Inside the Outdoors with stories from riders who are depressed, fighting with family, talking about the big checks they write to their coaches,... was amazing to watch too! Also new formats could work because our sport is full of controversy, betrayal, unfulfilled promises and wishes,...
If you listen to the Gypsy tales episode with agent Steve Astephen he tried to pitch a drive to survive series but couldn’t get the buy in from the promoters in the sport.
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F1 has prestige. As much as I love Mx and don’t care about F1, I don’t think people can appreciate riding a Mx bike like they can car racing for the casual viewer.
More money and rides for the people who risk their lives and dedicate everything to the sport we love.
We had that series Racetrack Supercross that Ryno was involved in. I thought it was awesome and watched every episode. It was only based around one team where the riders were hoping to make mains, imagine a series following the top riders in the sport
If done right, I think a series like this could be incredibly popular. The drama of the injuries and the dynamic of guys scraping by to line up against millionaires would be compelling. It would introduce a lot of people to the sport and certainly sell some bikes.
HOWEVER.... last thing this sport needs is popular media attention on the total lack of education many get, underage girlfriends, ignoring concussions, the banter that is commonplace in moto and just not accepted most other places, and so on..... be careful what you wish for. That kind of attention could have the energy drinks, progressive, etc backing out in an instant.
What is this “Surviving the outdoors” you are referring to? Was it a section of TGO series?
That's because Feld runs a professional racing series like its a circus. The TV broadcast. The way its promoted. Rider's press obligations (or lack thereof). All of it is a clown show.
Some days I am surprised that the sport has the non-core following that it does, only because of how poorly the above are handled.
The clown show is what attracts the non-core following. They are doubling down on the circus. A Netflix series would absolutely crush it. Dirt bikes are cool and not short on drama.
I have many of the same "concerns" as those above. This would only further drive SX into a spectator sport, and dare I say, eventually theater.
Please do not confuse clown show with making something entertaining. I am referring to the fact that things like the TV broadcast have the production value of a High School football game. It's getting better, but there's a long way to go.
Everything is so secret in our sport, how are they gonna do a DTS/Match Point/Full Swing type of show? We don't even know what (officially) Jett hurt in SD or how much is his heat race win bonus? Do you guys think Aldon or any other trainers will open their doors and show any of their training stuff? I think there's already a lot of content if you listen or watch all the podcasts or vlogs we get today. Any F1 or MotoGP guys do vlogs and podcasts like moto guys do? I don't know how you guys do it. I couldn't keep up with everything that's out there. I don't need a SX DTS because I was in the sport and pretty much know what's going on and I understand most of you would like a show like that. I'd rather have the sport stay small/core with more core analysis rather than the Goat trying to talk to us like we're watching SX for the first time...
I think a drive to survive type series could work if it was structured around a young rider poised to take on the veterans of the series. Ideally this rider would have moved to a couple different continents throughout his childhood to make his dreams of becoming an AMA SX, MX, and SMX champion come true.
Sorry but as a looooooong time F1 fan, i can’t stand DTS. A clown show created in the most american way to create drama and ”excitement.”
DTS has brought fans to the sport, but they are toxic as hell, and after the last week, i don’t think SX needs any more toxic fans.
And another thing is the current SX package is crap. Ugly graphics, the Thor battle box, new announcers each weekend part from what DV all ready said.
This sport needs to clean up, present it self in a more professional way before we start to talk about a DTS style of show.
FWIW, I still think that The Reality of Speed is as close to DTS that this sport is going to get. You're one of the few who everyone else should be listening to on this.
Nothing is stopping individual teams from doing their own iteration of the show. If there was ROI for a team of the series, it would've been a done deal by now.
Thank god I'm not alone. I absolutely hate that the broadcast acts like the viewers have zero clue about this sport. Then try to keep them watching by over-explaining everything. Its like they think the viewer stumbled upon Supercross and they need to explain everything like we're all 8 year old cavemen. Its borderline insulting every weekend.
We don't need them to regurgitate and dumb everything down CONSTANTLY:
A color before the name of the motorcycle as if we don't know already know what color the bikes use. "Anderson on his GREEN Kawasaki"
We don't need them to say the entire name of the team and sponsors of said rider; "Tomac aboard that Blue Monster Energy Star Racing Yamaha YZ450" Just tell me Yamaha, Honda, Kawasaki, if anything..
I agree. There are 25 different rider vlogs on youtube, 10 podcasts per week (that are actually listenable), the videos Monster, Racer X, etc put out after each race.
Honestly, the form of media I think I miss the most in this sport is just the movies that had just riding and music. Not a ton of talking and serious shit just fun riding and music. TGO and inside the outdoors were also amazing when they were out as well. Especially inside the outdoors. But all this "we need a netflix show" to attract new viewers is nonsense to me.
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You need to take a learning lesson in looking at the big picture, David.
And why is that blue Yamaha actually black?
This sport is too secretive. Kenny posted his arm in a cast and it was fuckin fake
These documentaries rely on huge latent interest within a large fan base. F1 wasn't a niché sport when DTS his the market, it was a huge deal prior. Its success was primarily because of this large already existent demand. Same will happen with Nascar.
It doesn't necessarily mean something like SX and MX would enjoy a 'bump'. Why would Netflix (and it has to be Netflix because other copy-cats on other platforms often flop) invest in SX and MX? How many subscribers will it add to justify investment? Not many I'd imagine.
Dirt bikes are already served massively by this type of content. In many respects it was way ahead of the game and thus is relatively popular. Also these documentaries have a LOT of creative licence, be careful what you wish for
Supercross, yes.
Short races, close to cities, great toilets, food and drinks available.
Outdoors, no way in he'll, the average family, with no ties, would hate it and never return.
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You need:
A) A promoter (In this case, Feld) who is willing to allow a crew to film everything that happens on a race weekend.
B ) Teams who are willing to allow a film crew to film what's happening behind the scenes, at the practice track, at the truck offices, stop with the so secretive bs there is around the sport.
C) Riders who are willing to allow a film crew to dive deep in their lives and careers, who are willing to ask tough questions like real jornalist do.
D) A film crew/Production/Media company that is willing to do it and a streaming platform who wants to do it.
This sport-documentary has already been done in SX/MX World, (TGO, Inside the Outdoors, Sx behind the Dream, MX Nation or MotoSpy) It didn't go further because the promoters or the teams didn't helped them, RedBull has tried to keep the MotoSpy going but they got no support from Feld, or remember why Tomac was always the villian in the 2017-19 MX Nation docuseries? Easy, MX Nation was produced by RedBull for RedBull media channels and Monster Energy didn't want any of it, despite knowing how powerful RedBull media company is.
There is still free Motocross sports Series being produced right now that follow the DtS model, Behind the Gate of MXGP or Behind the Bullet of RedBull, that follows Jeffrey in his MXGP Title chase last year, and those 2 might not be at the level of DtS and cannot bring new fans to the sport but they are really cool and very well produced, you should check them out.
And another fact that is worth mentioning, the positions of power of Nascar, F1, NFL, Golf, NBA... are held by people who have a lot of knowledge of how business work, they have spent years studing it and working on it, meanwhile in Motocross the positions of power are held by people who grew up on a Motocross track with the main goal of being a MX star, they probably know a lot of MX things but in business, marketing, or deal-making they are a lot behind compared to the people who run F1, golf, Nascar... Ever wonder why there is only Energy Drinks supporting the sport? Because its a "Bro-sport" and there is no willing to change the image of it, that's why it will always feel like a "circus and backflips" for the average, not into the sport, audience.
I think Supercross does very well. It's a National series that tours stadiums and makes its professional riders wealthy. F1 is the, by default, the #1 motorsport on the planet. It can't not be. I wouldn't ascribe all the merit of its current position on its current ownership. You can't compare to that.
It's funny the perspectives people have. There's MotoGP journalists writing about how good SX is promoted://www.the-race.com/motogp/what-motogp-can-learn-from-ama-supercross/
You have valid points, I myself am in the camp of being fine with the size of the sport. I would love to get good access to an F1 race, but I will probably never attend the Vega$ F1 race. Just too much damn money and a bunch of scenesters hanging around to see and be seen.
The reality of speed was probably before it’s time. I know there was added drama but it was still interesting to watch
https://youtube.com/@therealityofspeed1399?si=9Cenvd7KqB_kTBs5
The moto: inside the outdoors was awesome
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