Why is McGrath "The King" in the Current Era?

1/26/2024 6:55am

It’s probably more impressive since McGrath started racing dirt bikes in his mid teens not given a factory ride at 5 and training at a facility his entire life then showing up to the big leagues struggling to make mains and constantly getting hurt like some “prodigies” in our sport that where supposed to be the next big thing. He trained when he wanted to, took his factory bike out in the hills free riding filming badass moto movies those are things you’ll never see factory guys doing today. 

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HarrowDrag wrote:
100% agree. Ohhh man you old miserable fucks 😂  Here you are shitting on Jett fans yet you all just gobble up Mcgraths dick 'God I...

100% agree.

Ohhh man you old miserable fucks 😂 
Here you are shitting on Jett fans yet you all just gobble up Mcgraths dick

'God I love that guy!!'

'My GOAT forever'

'Then he said the coast is clear in the comments LOL' 🤤 

Posting clips of movies !? Hahah you're as pathetic as it comes.
Did that make your dick hard?

 Mcgraths a dick!! Always has been.Cocky and self centered
'R.J who?' As a butt patch!? What fucking clown does that! Had Friese worn something to that effect you'd be hanging him from the rafters

Prime McGrath wouldn't survive in this current climate not forgetting that RC4 knocked this guy off years ago and still can't hold a flame to his skill level.

The 'King' of this sport-is Ricky Carmichael.
McGrath ain't shit compared to RC's accomplishments.

Fuck your childhood hero and his man titties.

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Cool story OwenJakes mom.

 

HarrowDrag wrote:
Ha!! Its you!!! Your this fucking clown! 🤡  IT rEmIndeD mE oF tHE sCEne iN colORs 🤤  Hahah!! You pathetic sack of shit. Get out and...

Ha!! Its you!!! Your this fucking clown! 🤡 

IT rEmIndeD mE oF tHE sCEne iN colORs 🤤 

Hahah!! You pathetic sack of shit.

Get out and ride!!! Ohhh you don't.

Gobble Gobble Gobble!!!
FD59CC45-D6F3-40C3-A667-5A4DCF00B17C

^This guy is going to need some Tylenol when he wakes up later today

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records are meant to be broken.  good to luck to everyone lining up tomorrow!

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TeamGreen wrote:
Sips coffee…reads Harrow’s and Owen’s posts…laughs a little bit…then wonders… “These guys really don’t know that MC raced into the 4 stroke era and helped develop...

Sips coffee…reads Harrow’s and Owen’s posts…laughs a little bit…then wonders…

“These guys really don’t know that MC raced into the 4 stroke era and helped develop the bike for Team Honda, do they?”

Answers himself…”Nah. Obviously, they don’t.” Laughing

The Internet: priceless entertainment 

You know worries me... the possibility that these two could be offspring from my promiscuous years. 

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TeamGreen wrote:
Sips coffee…reads Harrow’s and Owen’s posts…laughs a little bit…then wonders… “These guys really don’t know that MC raced into the 4 stroke era and helped develop...

Sips coffee…reads Harrow’s and Owen’s posts…laughs a little bit…then wonders…

“These guys really don’t know that MC raced into the 4 stroke era and helped develop the bike for Team Honda, do they?”

Answers himself…”Nah. Obviously, they don’t.” Laughing

The Internet: priceless entertainment 

Magoofan wrote:

You know worries me... the possibility that these two could be offspring from my promiscuous years. 

Grinning

Hopefully, you weren't known to associate with Zaphod "Brokeback" Beeblebrox back then! Woohoo https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/dumbgeon/im-gay-and-very-attracted-lewis-phillips

Just sayin'... Whistling

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Go watch the races from the MC era. Pay attention to the tracks, pay attention to the margin of error difference between riding a 250 two-stroke...

Go watch the races from the MC era. Pay attention to the tracks, pay attention to the margin of error difference between riding a 250 two-stroke and a fuel-injected 450. That triple out of the corner in SD? NOT getting jumped in 1998. 

Yes everyone is on equal equipment, but the skill gap is much smaller because of the equipment. 

There is an element of training and progression to have so many riders on the same second in timed qualifying, but the bikes and tracks have a lot to do with it as well. Tracks are MUCH more forgiving now. You think the track builders would have moved that last 3 footer Jett cased at A1 in 1998? Nope. 

This sport is still gnarly as hell, but it's still dumbed down from the do or die peaked out tracks from MC's era.

OP is old enough to know better, unless he wasn't a fan until recently. But dude, when you are nearly the ONLY voice, in a sea of expert voices, saying something....maybe take a good look around and realize you're not as educated as you think you are. 

Im glad someone posted this early. I was about to. The SX tracks of the 90's were brutal, especially on a 250. Even the AX tracks and the MX tracks all eventually wanted to copy SX layouts. Some brutal whoops and triples!  I raced all of the 90's , into 2001. I hated hearing about fkn hondas and MC winning shit every damn week. But, he was the damn best, no question. Even though i still hate to admit it. 

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1/26/2024 9:24am Edited Date/Time 1/26/2024 10:16am
40caliber wrote:

Totally different than today.

Riders now are fitness machines. If a Jeremy clone showed up tomorrow

he'd be spanked handily.

There's two problems with that take.

The first huge fatal flaw is that it assumes the MC who dropped in today did not grow up in the same current environment that people pretend would advantage current riders.  You're basically saying that MC growing up now would never have worked as hard as the current guys and he would have just dribbled his talent away and never reached his potential.

The second flaw is that premise is nonsense.  MC was an outdoor champion, and pretty sure when they still did two 40s.  The 95 sweatbox national at Southwick is just a brutal, physical win by him.  

Because an MC dropped in now would have grown up with those changes over time it's ridiculous to drop MC as he competed in the 90s into the current crop.   The latter hypo is completely unreal and not creditable.

 

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HarrowDrag wrote:
100% agree. Ohhh man you old miserable fucks 😂  Here you are shitting on Jett fans yet you all just gobble up Mcgraths dick 'God I...

100% agree.

Ohhh man you old miserable fucks 😂 
Here you are shitting on Jett fans yet you all just gobble up Mcgraths dick

'God I love that guy!!'

'My GOAT forever'

'Then he said the coast is clear in the comments LOL' 🤤 

Posting clips of movies !? Hahah you're as pathetic as it comes.
Did that make your dick hard?

 Mcgraths a dick!! Always has been.Cocky and self centered
'R.J who?' As a butt patch!? What fucking clown does that! Had Friese worn something to that effect you'd be hanging him from the rafters

Prime McGrath wouldn't survive in this current climate not forgetting that RC4 knocked this guy off years ago and still can't hold a flame to his skill level.

The 'King' of this sport-is Ricky Carmichael.
McGrath ain't shit compared to RC's accomplishments.

Fuck your childhood hero and his man titties.

Another one of the dumbest things I've ever read. 

Its like you think 7 supercross titles just happen, leno just happens, new levels of skill just happen.

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MC isnt exactly lazy or out of shape. Didnt he recently win in a 2T National event as well?

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MC actually had (has?) 3 nicknames Before he was Showtime and the king he was SuperMac

DCB7D549-34D4-490D-A656-114A30AE7A58
 

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1/26/2024 1:10pm

Pretty sure this guy's accomplishments are still relevant. No one will ever dethrone the King. Even with this beautiful Korean photoshop..

THE-KING-THRONE

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The other thing that stands out is that the "get hard" era of fitness really was triggered by RC probably losing his mind that he wasn't able to beat MC across a season his first two years in the premier class.

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Crazy to think he’d probably have gotten to 80 if not for that piece of shit RM

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Or maybe even the KTM... I know that may be a stretch, but if it had a decent (or just any) linkage and the chassis was compliant to go along with the rocket motor, who knows.

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Crazy to think he’d probably have gotten to 80 if not for that piece of shit RM

Even with that bike, if he would have had an offseason with it, they'd have had a lot sorted.

The throttle wasn't even opening fully at wot, took them a long time to figure out,

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1/26/2024 1:47pm Edited Date/Time 1/26/2024 1:48pm

Crazy to think he’d probably have gotten to 80 if not for that piece of shit RM

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Even with that bike, if he would have had an offseason with it, they'd have had a lot sorted. The throttle wasn't even opening fully at...

Even with that bike, if he would have had an offseason with it, they'd have had a lot sorted.

The throttle wasn't even opening fully at wot, took them a long time to figure out,

I’ll revise my statement, if he would have gotten on that bike in October of 96 with Skip turning wrenches, he gets to 80

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It’s still crazy to me that 2001 and 1996 only had two winners the entire SX season. 

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Or maybe even the KTM... I know that may be a stretch, but if it had a decent (or just any) linkage and the chassis was...

Or maybe even the KTM... I know that may be a stretch, but if it had a decent (or just any) linkage and the chassis was compliant to go along with the rocket motor, who knows.

Kinda 

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The other thing that stands out is that the "get hard" era of fitness really was triggered by RC probably losing his mind that he wasn't...

The other thing that stands out is that the "get hard" era of fitness really was triggered by RC probably losing his mind that he wasn't able to beat MC across a season his first two years in the premier class.

This right here. I could be argued that Jeremy pushed Ricky to transform into the winning machine he became. Look at RCs 250sx results in '99 and 2000 vs 2001, he had to go find an edge to beat Jeremy.

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The other thing that stands out is that the "get hard" era of fitness really was triggered by RC probably losing his mind that he wasn't...

The other thing that stands out is that the "get hard" era of fitness really was triggered by RC probably losing his mind that he wasn't able to beat MC across a season his first two years in the premier class.

im going to get absolutely roasted for this, but imagine when (if) it comes out that aldon was indeed pushing the special sauce to help pudgy wudgy freckle "get hard" to beat the king. the sport would turn inside out. 

personally i think it's at least marginally more likely that this does happen at some point than we actually landed on the moon. for what that's worth. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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One reason the classes seem more stacked today is because you have several Supercross champions on the gate. It’s kind of hard to have multiple champions when one guy wins almost every title for almost a decade.

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40caliber wrote:

Totally different than today.

Riders now are fitness machines. If a Jeremy clone showed up tomorrow

he'd be spanked handily.

There's two problems with that take. The first huge fatal flaw is that it assumes the MC who dropped in today did not grow up in...

There's two problems with that take.

The first huge fatal flaw is that it assumes the MC who dropped in today did not grow up in the same current environment that people pretend would advantage current riders.  You're basically saying that MC growing up now would never have worked as hard as the current guys and he would have just dribbled his talent away and never reached his potential.

The second flaw is that premise is nonsense.  MC was an outdoor champion, and pretty sure when they still did two 40s.  The 95 sweatbox national at Southwick is just a brutal, physical win by him.  

Because an MC dropped in now would have grown up with those changes over time it's ridiculous to drop MC as he competed in the 90s into the current crop.   The latter hypo is completely unreal and not creditable.

 

That argument is useless as... well you know Wink Dudes that have IT would be great in any era.

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Denn700 wrote:
One reason the classes seem more stacked today is because you have several Supercross champions on the gate. It’s kind of hard to have multiple champions...

One reason the classes seem more stacked today is because you have several Supercross champions on the gate. It’s kind of hard to have multiple champions when one guy wins almost every title for almost a decade.

Hell dude the eighties gates were more stacked at times.

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The other thing that stands out is that the "get hard" era of fitness really was triggered by RC probably losing his mind that he wasn't...

The other thing that stands out is that the "get hard" era of fitness really was triggered by RC probably losing his mind that he wasn't able to beat MC across a season his first two years in the premier class.

And RC didn't invent it. He just had a guy helping him with a more modern scientific approach to it. A lot of the best GP guys back in the seventies were animals. Hell, Brad Lackey went behind the friggin Iron Curtain as a teen and lived in a cabin in the boondocks in Czechoslavakia or one of those countries to learn how to train like them. In a sense Brad did what the Lawrences have done long long before they were born.  Hannah much like RC later on figured out he had to get fitter than everybody else in order to win like he did. Then along came guys like Broc, David and Johnny O and RJ. Didn't Oshow race a supercross on Saturday and run a marathon on Sunday one time. 

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Tyler D wrote:
im going to get absolutely roasted for this, but imagine when (if) it comes out that aldon was indeed pushing the special sauce to help pudgy...

im going to get absolutely roasted for this, but imagine when (if) it comes out that aldon was indeed pushing the special sauce to help pudgy wudgy freckle "get hard" to beat the king. the sport would turn inside out. 

personally i think it's at least marginally more likely that this does happen at some point than we actually landed on the moon. for what that's worth. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I've often heard that the real key to any "special sauce " isn't that it is necessarily performance enhancing in the moment or truly make you faster but helps immensely with recovery which obviously is an advantage in itself.

 

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MC was a talented on the bike as anybody that came before him or since. He was a freak of nature!

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Denn700 wrote:
One reason the classes seem more stacked today is because you have several Supercross champions on the gate. It’s kind of hard to have multiple champions...

One reason the classes seem more stacked today is because you have several Supercross champions on the gate. It’s kind of hard to have multiple champions when one guy wins almost every title for almost a decade.

Because of MC's dominance in SX, I think a lot of people tend to forget who he raced. Check out The Vault through MC's era, every year there was only a couple of guys in the top ten who didn't have a c-ship in either 125 SX/MX or 250 SX/MX very similar to now.

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Fairly certain Kenny is the only current guy that can do a NacNac

Kenny's not the only one, Colt Nichols has a pretty mean one, too...

Nichools nac nac

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