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They are waiting for solid state batteries. Honda conservative as ever.
Thanks for the links. Big Red is going big on ebikes, so they won't be so very late to the party as for electric cars, not forgetting ICE, that's nice.
They will have a very wide range of ebikes, including the all important commuter bikes and scooters for the Asian market, but for high performance full size dirtbikes that means they won't release their Varg competitor until 2026 at the earliest. At that point it will be time for Varg 2.0, this battle will be something to watch for sure.
If they do release the production version of the CR-E in 2026 that would mean about 10 years of development (Mugen E rex concept presented in march 2017).
I think you will see the production version of the CR – E at some point over the next year. That bike looks production ready, and the article said they would have 10 bikes out by 2025. One of the articles linked counted the CR – E as one of the 10 to be released by 2025. I would not be surprised in the least if they announced it at some point in 24 as a 25 model. Just my opinions
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Stark has set the benchmark, Honda may need to redesign their prototype to be competitive, this will take time, more likely a 2027-2028 model.
Honda raced a prototype at the Japanese nationals this year. So what’s the normal time frame between a prototype raced and production release? Isn’t it usually about a full calendar year before we see the production bike?
I think we see a CRFe in 2024.
Agreed it seems already at a good level.
My guess is that if it were an ICE, going from working prototype to production would not be a big deal. But here for Honda to build their first full size electric bike (and CR-E is probably not a priority) they need to source the materials for thousands of bike, build the logistics, build a new assembly line or maybe even a factory for battery assembly so the overall transfer from prototype to production will be much longer.
Once they get their first full size electric bikes out, then the time between prototype and production might even get shorter than for ICE due to the modularity of batteries and relative simple nature of electric motors (far fewer parts).
That's just a guess, we will see, these are exciting times.
So let me get this straight, Honda was adamant about killing the 2-stroke and now they are going balls deep into e-bikes?
Can you see why I support Yamaha and KTM?
I sure hope it comes as fast as the EXP-2.
You can drop the "F", the "F" designated four stroke, the prototype's designation is CR-E!
Honda raced the CRF450 for one full year (2001) in the All Japan Motocross Championship, before releasing the 2002 production model. The electric prototype has only been raced in one round of the All Japan Motocross Championship, they would need to race a full season.
Almost always in agreement dude 👍
Why? I understand that electric cars don’t work for most people (range and charging). But why hate on e-bikes? If the ride time is adequate (for average local rider who spends more time hanging out at the track then on the bike) power delivery is going to be better, why all the hate? I’m not saying that you’re wrong, I just don’t get it. I’m excited for something new.
Right? I can’t wait to be the guy at the local race that everyone is bitching about racing in their class on my E bike, hopefully KTM just upgrades their free ride bike and we have an orange E option too. The second E bikes are a viable option in the racing world I’ll never buy another POS 4 stroke again
Because it’s completely different to what we are used to and change needs time. I think it it will either split in separate classes. If the E-bikes will take over it will kill the sport how we know it and will change it forever.
From a competitive standpoint I still need to be convinced these bikes are able to run in deep sand. I haven’t seen one at a deep sandtrack doing a 20 min moto.
also the big promotors see a huge decline in potential as in viewers and attendace at the races. The MotoGP E class learned us the general public / target audiance couldn’t care less for E-bike racing and I get that, it is indeed very boring to watch.
The only thing I’d say is that Hondas corporate priority’s are the biggest unknown. They already build hybrid and electric cars, so the battery and motor pipeline is open, and they’re pretty good at building whatever’s needed to get production up and running.
The question is how much does the Honda corporation want a CR-E (no F..) to promote the green-feelz image of the company?
Can anyone share real information on how much effort Honda and the other OEMs have made to get the “E” models into pro racing? And do you think the OEMs will just build bikes and let the owners force their way into racing from the bottom up?
Great, another E-bike thread not in the E-bike section...
It’s pretty moto related..
really? I see a bunch of puter scooters...
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Good point, the current electric racing classes suck. Formula E races are terrible. As long as the sanctioning bodies don’t completely change the tracks and length of races to benefit battery bike’s they probably won’t dominate motocross racing. Not yet anyway.
For my money, there isn’t an e-bike yet that’s more than a novelty/toy. They look fun, but not ready for real riding.
It’s about a bike that raced the Japanese nationals. How much more moto-related can it get?
I'm not a e-bike fan, but they’re here.
Go ahead and throw your toys out the crib again…
really? I must have missed that part. All I see listed are business bikes and plug-in commuters.
Was it an E-bike by any chance?
https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Motodrive/Electric-Bikes,48
To anyone out there who thinks we haven't been well-conditioned to resist any type of change, consider this:
Yamahas are blue, Hondas are red, Suzukis are yellow, Kawasakis are green, KTMs are orange, Huskys are white, and Gas Gas bikes are red like Hondas - but that's okay because it's a darker tone.
Now consider mountain bikes. They come in all types of colors and sizes, they come in countless different suspension configurations, different wheel sizes, different tire types, different frame types, different component types, and now - different electric motor types. Everything in that industry is in a constant state of flux because that is what their audience expects.
We will likely never be as free-thinking and accepting of change as those guys are, but by trying our best piss all over a fresh new opportunity just because it threatens our orthodoxy, we only demonstrate why the OEMs have felt so free to limit our choices up until now. They see us as having the mindset of a cliquey adolescent, and we rarely disappoint.
Who’s gonna tell him about Yamaha?
MotoE and Formula E are light years away (ok, decades) from their ICE counterparts.
The Varg has been released for 6 months and already got multiple podiums in national championships against 450s, a bit more than a toy in my book
Let's see how it goes in 2024 in the UK, Australia, and possibly others.
When a varg, or any other e-bike, qualifies and finishes two pro level motos at southwick or another sandy track, with 30+2 length, at pro speed, I’ll agree it’s ready. AKA, match the speed and distance of any of the ICE production 250s or 450s. Today, no e-bike has done anything like it. They’ll get there soon enough, but they’re not quite ready yet. That’s why I still think of them as novelty/toy bikes. You’re free to think anything you want, and nothing you said is wrong.. but neither am I.
That’s just like, my opinion..
Yep no problem, just giving more context, nobody has to like them or be impressed by them or even be interested in them.
To me it's just super interesting to see this new way to ride develop, but 30 min sand track at pro level is still some years away indeed.
Don’t combine ICE MX with EMX.
Start a new eMX only class on amateur level and let that work by itself.
When amateurs and local pros are turning faster lap times and size of class grows the transition to a Pro class will take care of itself.
*When local pros on eMX bikes start beating Factory riders in open practices at test tracks it will be obvious.
This is spot on. Has to be able to race all the nationals. I think early reports say the Varg is close to getting 30 at sandy tracks, though? I bet at 50hp it can.
Either way I’m very excited for Honda to jump in to electric moto.
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