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LMAO at You. At least the drivel spewed by the naysayers is short and to the point, and they actually ride and race dirt bikes.
You cost me two more mousescrolls every time I come across one of Your hot air posts.
Again, can we get an "Ignore User" function on this board?
A crf450 bouncing off the rev limiter in 3rd gear will do a smidge over 60mph. What's the top speed of the Stark? 80?
I understand the clutch argument. I dont understand how anyone can physically pull the clutch lever in, but be incapable of letting go of the throttle. Can't say I've seen whiskey throttle turn into a rev bomb. Usually goes< crash, or pull in the clutch and let off the gas. Thus, the clutch wasn't really needed.
Seems to be. If anything I would worry more about 450's with their argument. If there were limits being put on power ICE bikes would likely be the ones that get the limiting . At least with an Electric You can very easily turn down the power.
I just don't understand the Hate and spending time to be negative. When there is something I am not interested in I might take a look just to make sure. But then I'll just stick to stuff I enjoy. The only thing that makes sense to me is that they enjoy the back and forth. And really do not have any hate for the bikes. Just a passion to argue. Why else would they change their points of what's wrong with the Varg everytime the Varg meets or surpasses expectations?
I only engage with them since I feel like it might help other people not fall for some of the BS. It seems a lot of them really could care less if what they post is true or not as long as it gets attention. People can really learn a lot when there are 2 or more open minded individuals that make an effort to have a conversation with legit info and facts. And not just throw around insults and recycled BS.
Bambi showing total fear of a E-Bike.
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we just don't let politics become our personality and keep an open mind.
Torque is rarely mentioned. In the 60hp mode its probably making way more torque then a 450?
100%
Stark Varg max torque = 938nm
KTM450sxf max torque = 46nm
Stark Varg max Torque at rear wheel = 928Nm
KTM450SXF max torque at crankshaft = 46Nm
Torque at rear wheel is similar...
Nice one, where did you get that chart?
Going by your chart and practical operation the varg shows 200%+ of a 450.
The flat part of the Stark's torque curve is based on Stark's claimed 928Nm at the rear wheel. The curved part of Stark's torque curved is calculated on 60hp and 80hp, with a 9.5% loss between the counter shaft and rear wheel. Stark claims 275Nm at the counter shaft, 928Nm at the rear wheel, with 14/51 gearing that's a 9.5% torque loss.
450f torque curve was from a RMZ450, posted by @blackdiamond, calculated for each gear.
80hp would be rideable if maximum torque could be limited to 600 - 700Nm
"So people give a guy a bunch of shit that had witnessed and experienced a bunch of false neutral crashes, And then cling onto the whisky throttle problem . That in my real world experience is far less common. "
We don't all have the same real life experience... I'm probably like 10 to 1 the other way round.
Exactly ! Everybody has different real world experiences. But He had listed some instances of his real world experience of false neutrals, while the whisky throttle group is just worried that it will happen more on a bike they have not ridden. My point was that people dismissed his reasoning while claiming a hypothetical was worse. But reality is that like you said, different for everybody.
I would argue that if a beginner rider were to ride a Varg or other electric, with the power turned down it would be much safer in a whiskey throttle event than if they were on a 450 or even 250. And You eliminate the potential of a false neutral totally. Riders of lower skill are more likely ( in my experience) to experience the unintended acceleration. So start off with the power turned down and limit the chances.
Another thing that could be possible, is throttle sensitivity could be turned down with a Varg or ANY drive by wire vehicle. I don't know if the Vargs controller has the ability right now. But it should be something doable with a software update. My SXS and most of them , come stock with a dulled response in certain situations. There are programmers that allow you to remap the throttle on them. But stock they are setup so that they filter out the input from bumps , small rapid , or rapid movement in general are dulled. They do this to help avoid a whisky throttle situation. Something like that with a wheel speed sensor and teether style kill switch could make a Varg less likely to have a more dangerous whisky throttle type event than gas bikes.
If You ride the 450 perfectly , then the torque is similar . Keep it in the perfect gear and RPM all of the time and the power is very close. That RPM spread is wider on a 4 stroke than a 2 stroke. But they both need RPM's to be in a certain range and that is why gas engines need a transmission and electric doesn't .
Electric doesn't need the RPM to make the torque so that makes it easier to ride in the meat of the powerband without the need of a transmission.
That flat start to the torque curve is one of the major advantages of electric. It makes it easier for everybody to be in that sweet spot of the power. But its really only a major advantage if You do not ride perfectly. If You can always be in the perfect gear and RPM, the advantage of electric power is smaller.
I see the power being much more of an advantage in the lower classes and less and less as You go up in skill. So for a slower guy with a foot that is fused , that power curve would be a big advantage.
"I see the power being much more of an advantage in the lower classes and less and less as You go up in skill. So for a slower guy with a foot that is fused , that power curve would be a big advantage."
Well, put your money where your mouth/keyboard is then, and give us a ride report after you've spoken with your wallet. Until then, this is just more "what if" supposition and hot air.
I'd argue the same for those who feel the need to discredit a bike they've never ridden, until you swing a leg over your opinion is invalid.
I rode the varg a while back just on some grass track. 20-45 HP. Standard rear brake. I was in steel toe work boots and a borrowed helmet. My biggest takeaway was the bike didn’t do anything weird and was just easy to ride.. I reached for the clutch lever a few times but not a big deal. I was surprised how I could ride it and not even think about how it’s totally different than anything I had ever ridden. I felt as if I could have raced the bike after riding it 10 minutes. Also I hadn’t ridden a bike in probably a year or so. No speaking with the wallet on the varg (or anything else) as I’m not in the market. But I was impressed. This opinion from a 250 2 stroke woods rider with no real opinion on the matter, just like dirt bikes. It was a blast to ride.
20 HP super mellow ride for a few seconds
35 could ring its neck everywhere zero wheelspin
45 started to get some bark in it. Almost looped out once unexpectedly on hard acceleration. Required some throttle control, would break rear loose.
if A mart was faster on the varg, the handbrake deserves some discussion.
It's been the greatest mx bike in the solar system since turtleneck went on Gypsy Tales. Over 2 years ago.
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I went to Europe 7 years ago, particularly in the Scandinavian countries Tesla's/EV's over there were still far more common than it is in Australia even today.
Australian's are used to harsh conditions they know gas cars particularly 4x4's cannot be replaced by the current EV offerings.
The news can say all they want, people know EV's aren't here to help it's just another thing to plug into the internet of things to track and measure your carbon usage but that's a whole another topic, I believe people are excited for Stark because well it seems like a cool fucking machine, American's seem to typically hate anything new, it was like that with KTM, Stark now Triumph.
I definitely don't need to try one to tell you I don't want one.
It might be quite good, and I still don't want one.
I absolutely hate the annoying high pitched whistle this thing produces.
I like having gears and a clutch.
I like working on my bike.
I love to hear it roar.
I find Anton and his pompous prick marketing both very unpleasant.
I feel he's a robot selling a soulless product.
I think his online zealots are the most irritating people on earth.
I feel his bike is taking away half of what I like in this sport.
I don't want one.
It's my opinion and it's totally valid.
Thank you for your attention.
80HP mode is dangerous and can hurt you if not experienced.
Looking at a camp fire and then sitting in it can do the samething.
We just became best friends.
Shame you don't feel the need to discredit the zealots who have never ridden one.
All excellent points.
Let me now make a few suggestions of my own to demonstrate my lock-step agreement.
The Varg cannot be allowed to ruin the sport's future by simply being better, and we need regulations that enforce that. E-bikes should only be allowed to exist if they're provably inferior.
No one should be allowed to ride a motocross bike unless their fingernails show traces of dirty grease and/or premix oil.
Only we traditionalists get to decide who is, and who is not, annoying.
We cannot allow new track venues to be created unless their potential decibel levels can be confirmed as being high enough to quickly get them shut down and have their owners bankrupted.
The communists must be prevented from entering our beloved garages and forcibly taking our tradition-approved, Snake-Dude-friend-making ICE bikes from us.
We must start a rigidly conformist, strict-rule-following, rearward-looking, communistically-anti-communist, completely-oblivious-to reality, REVOLUTION!!!!
I thank you for your attention - and for the amusement you afford me as well.
You're not wrong. EV Cars are definitely already losing their attraction once people actually own them. They are great for daily commuting and have performance advantages, but they are absolutely not less expensive and who knows on the "green" piece. Hybrid is where the magic is in my opinion since not can be configured in so many different aspects and range is then a non issue.
I think moto will be the same. EV bikes are going to have a place, but it is not going to overtake the sport.
Thank you for making my point, you didn’t discredit the bike at all in that post you mainly just discredited yourself and your shitty attitude towards absolutely everything.
We should check in in 5 years and see where you’re at in life with your attitude and where I’m at with mine, I think that would be a fun and insightful exercise.
Anything you say bro. Did you go over to IG and tell them they are wrong.
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Why are you so worried about giving your opinion 30 times in this thread? You make up like half of the comments.... Get a life dude. nobody gives a fuck what you ride
Oooooooh, I obviously hit just right.
Yes, the masks are falling, now everyone can see how you respect others opinion...
Thank you for making my point, you're just the same kind of pretentious dickhead as Grand Master Anton.
You're not here to "inform the people", just to spread propaganda, get free advertising, twist their arm and force them into your own agenda.
Thnks for enlighting my crappy life and see you in five years.
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