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I was thinking it was strange that GM would be 4 points lower than Chevy. But then I started to think, maybe Chevy's cars or vehicles not shared by GMC are what kick it up a few points. Same with Ram/jeep Lincoln/Ford. They may be the same brands as far as who Owns them. But they get built at different plants ,etc. Ford and GM would have a higher proportion of commercial use vehicles than Lincoln and Chevy too. Who is buying and their expectations of the vehicle could also dictate a little bit of what gets brought in to be fixed, or what is just accepted and dealt with. Since it says the results are from customer feedback. Its more of a perception of reliability than a cut and dry way of saying which is more reliable.
Yah its funny how the guy that is always complaining about electric MX bikes being in the Moto section, would be using Automotive data and laws as an argument against a Motocross bike that is made by a company that only makes MX bikes, the founder has a past history of MX based businesses and other than saying he would like to build a flying car, and being called the "Tesla of motorcycles" , has nothing to do with cars.
I'm a "lightly used" bike guy, so no Stark on order for me.
So I guess I got just as much skin the game as the clowns in every thread coming up with any crazy fucking theory they can think of to discredit the Stark. I don't remember, are you one of those? Are you also stopping child slavery by only buying ICE bikes?
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I love how the same dumbasses who reamed me for posting an Ebike thread in the Moto forum think they’re entitled to post stupid, irrelevant shit about EV cars and trucks in the Moto forum. The lack of self awareness is awesome.
Read: "I can't handle opposing logical viewpoints"
I would agree on the newer BMW models. ....but I still own a 22 year old E39 which has been an amazing and reliable car. Still have it because it's a blast to drive and you can't find V8, manual trans luxury sedans anymore. Not to mention all the nanny electronics in newer cars. 225K miles on it, meticulously maintained by me. We also had an E46 BMW (wifes car) that we sold a few years back with 275k miles on it.....another phenomenal/reliable car. I would not own a current BMW....they do not drive like the old ones, they are overweight pigs and electrical nightmares now.
We keep our vehicles a long time and get our $$$s worth out of them. These days, nothing is built to last and are a nightmare once out of warranty.
My "daily" beater.
Seems there are so many uneducated people who come out to diss anything E-power related on these forums. How can they live houses that have electricity is amazing..
You’re yet again missing the point. I actually agree that electric cars are being rushed and aren’t a good idea for present times but that’s not our topic here. Let’s use a basic example:
if I start a thread in the Food forum about how much I like Apples, and I want to talk about Apples, if you come in and profess how much you hate Oranges and anyone who likes Oranges is an idiot, is that an opposing viewpoint or just pissing into the wind? It’s the same thing trying to talk about electric cars to discredit electric motocross bikes, that’s not our topic of discussion and it’s irrelevant.
I like apples and oranges, variety is good, the same with ICE and electric bikes!
No.....
We’ve already got insurance companies not writing policies in Ca. So let’s mandate e vehicles.
and btw we hate nuclear but want clean energy, don’t have the infrastructure and get asks to not charge cars when the grid is challenged.
I want a plug in hybrid van eventually for the gas mileage and free charge at work, but there are real concerns about fire safety.
I work across the freeway from Tesla and coincidentally a fire occurred at a charging station (Prius not Tesla). I was taking all that fire news as statistical anomalies until now.
and I’m surrounded by Teslas where I live.
Hi Tahoe, do you have any news about this?
Probably the most interesting Stark test I read up till now.
https://dirtbikemagazine.com/stark-varg-electric-mx-bike-full-test/
That's quite a detailed and informative test with a catchy opening line:
"What’s the difference between someone who hates electric bikes and someone who doesn’t? The guy who hates them hasn’t ridden one."
They sure enjoyed their time with the Varg
"It’s hard to believe that a start-up company like this can get so much right on the first try."
"When you think about how difficult it has been for Yamaha, KTM and the others to develop the right frame flex characteristics, it’s nothing short of amazing that this bike handles as well as it does."
I 'm positively surprised by their take on the range:
"It’s possible to get a day of racing out of one charge at the amateur level, but you will have to manage your power settings, and it will have to be the right track."
"The bike has the range for practice and one moto in the hands of an expert, but you’ll have to figure out some sort of charging program for a full day of racing at a high level."
Is there anyone who has said the bike is not very good
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Funny how everyone reads what he wants to read.
😏
At least, even though they put forward a few assumptions I totally disagree with, I felt it was one of the first real honest tests after tons of others which seemed blinded by the hype and just presented the Stark as a miracle on wheels.
It's probably a very good bike, but at last someone talks clearly about the differences of feeling with a classic ICE bike and tells a few truths and unanswered questions most reviews stayed away from... Also a rare take about the chassis which is often almost totally forgotten.
I still have the feeling (more than ever, actually) that no, it's not for everyone, and definitely not for me.
Anyway, I feel it was worth reading -especially since I probably won't get a chance to try one of these bikes for ages, lol...
Honestly I don't see what's so different or new in this test but it doesn't really matter, it's cool that you can relate to this one.
I feel you're warming up to it, soon you'll be itching to try one, not to buy one of course, just to feel what it's like
You sound like a gay friend of mine who's been telling me for ages I don't know what I'm missing, lol...
Still cold as ICE. I drool over Jett Law's HRC CRF, I'm not excited one bit about the Stark (or the CRF-E or whatever its name is), and what's the point of a dirtbike that doesn't excite you?
Just not for me.
Actually, if I had that cash to throw at something electric I don't need, I'd go with a Turbo Levo in a heartbeat.
More like 2 or 3 Turbo Levo.
You know that's okay, that's just a taboo in your mind lol
I don't know how good it is because I have not seen one in the flesh yet, even less tried it, but how could you not be curious to try this bike after reading so many positive reviews about it?
An S-Works is like 14000, so no, definitely not 2 or 3.
As for your second question, the answer is here.
https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/moto-related/stark-varg-millville-nation…
Holy shit, 14 k for a mountain bike, I knew they had gotten expensive but wow
...do you treat your friend the same way you're treating e bikes? Do you call him up every day, talking about you just don't think it's for you, constantly perusing grindr and watching gay porn while going, "yep, I am definitely not gay. I don't like this so much, that I have to devote the majority of my time talking about how it's just not for me!"?
Well, he's not one tenth of a zealot as St Anton's Holy Church of the New Stark is 'round here.
Been all talk and speculation so far for me... but I got to try my new Stark Varg yesterday and I can already with the short ride say, wow! for an vet amateur like me, it's just amazing. The throttle modulation, the feeling for when the wheel has traction and breaks loose is just much much better than my CRF250R. Egronomics is very good/similar for a Honda rider I felt.
Is it also due to lack of any vibrations/noise, it feels I have much better control of the back wheel.
Other than above, I reached for the brake pedal a couple of times (hand brake version), that will take time to get used to, but I'm sure after 5h it's second nature.
Impressed! ( and no, no petrol generator, I will charge it from my EV
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When I go racing I know I want to be concerned about managing power levels and only racing tracks based on my bikes limitations. Not to mention fretting over recharging it...
How about the complaints to the race directors about moving classes around so they have time to re-charge the vargs. Or the hit to the wallets because you can only race one class instead of two with no time to re-charge. I can see the looks on their faces already.
The varg is either the answer to a non existing problem in motocross or not an answer at all. Just another lie toid by the EV circle jerker's.
What do ya do for work?
gigolo...
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