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They should buy lots of GM stock. It’s a good time to buy.
There are places that the unions still do good. There are also places that the union is only in place to protect the union. There are a lot of hard working people in this country that otherwise might not get paid a living wage. I also am very against government workers being able to unionize. How is it that the teachers union is so powerful and yet their work product (an educated student) is soo below average. And their solution is always, give us more money. And yet we see competing education alternatives that produce a better work product with less money?
Just a observation.
Huh?
The unions are the reason nearly every blue collar worker in this country has any rights at all...much less a "minimum" wage. Very, very few companies pay fair wages and benefits without pressure from govt or outside pressures. Never forget...companies are in the money "makin'" business...not the money "spendin'" bidness.
Sadly, the unions are now in the same bidness.
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Unfortunately the companies hold more power then ever before over the unions. The companies can just use 3rd world countries like Mexico or any Asian country to get their stuff made with basically slave labor.
Yes sir...it's a big puzzle nowadays.
“Eat The Rich” …I mentioned this a while back as some of us were heading in that direction in other discussions…but, damn…it was A JOKE and we actually had a good debate about wealth and who-how it’s obtained…but…again…DAMN!
You can NOT make this shit up!
Look at this stupid ass hole’s shirt…WOW! Class Separatists are just another form of ignorance. I’ll be doing my homework as a good SEMA member to see which domestic cars have THE LEAST UNION “content” from here on out…Fuck these guys…and REMEMBER…I am of the mind that the UAW has some legitimate needs and issues to fight for…but, that shirt? It ain’t no different than other separatist-bigoted-racist shit to me.
That sounds good, but I need my machines running 24 hours a day. 10 hours doesn’t go into 24 evenly the same way that 8 does….!
If it did, I’d change the schedule to 4-10s right away. Right now my folks ‘work’ 7 hours and get paid for 8 (the other hour comes from paid breaks and a 30 minute paid lunch). If they worked 10s then my machines would sit idle over 15% of the time, especially since it takes a couple of hours just to get a machine started!!!!
I believe he's calling you and your neighbors racists.
Can't you just see these auto makers looking out their office windows at the picket lines, and thinking, "If only somewhere there were 10's of thousands of people available locally looking for work, not demanding much pay, uninterested in union affiliation, we'd be back in business."
When I was building fighter aircraft for the U.S. government, you were going to pay union dues whether you joined or not.
I was already getting paid more than I ever was prior, it was a clean, safe air-conditioned space. I sand bagged joining as a new hire because of issues I had in the past with unions. Well, twice a week, someone hired there had enough time to tour the plant asking new hires if they joined yet. I got tired of talking to this guy, and said, "Unions are outdated, not a fan".
That backfired. He came by every day.
I asked him once, what do you do for General Dynamics? He puffed up like a peacock, displaying his plumage, and said: "I'm an inspector in plumbing" (aircraft hydraulics, not shitters).
I said, "so we're trying to make 30 shipsets a month, and you're up here in tooling talking to a brick wall . Who is inspecting the plumbing ".
He got a dumb shit look on his face, turned and walked away. Never saw that guy again.
Yes, and there's a teacher's union that wants to let homeless people park/camp in the school parking lots. How is that remotely related to "educating"? And how is that good for the kids? Most homeless are drug addicts and the teachers want to bring that environment to the kids? But let's advocate the unions are doing the right thing "for their members".
Oh my,
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So then $10 more per hour isn't worth switching jobs, right? Your job is worth making $20K a year less because of the health insurance and other benefits, I get it. Security does mean something. So I take it you are not all about the strike? No or Yes, just curious? By the way, based upon your comments about overtime, based on my experience in my life, if you work it your kids will know it and appreciate it. I worked shit tons when my kids were little, in reality I missed very little, we made the very most of our time together. You will too. Now that my kids are working age, they are very ambitious and productive, your example will mean a lot. The whole do what I do, not what I say thing. We are still all so close, while we all work a lot, the time we have together is high quality, and none of us worry about the utility bills.
Too bad. It seems the only group you are allowed to be a bigot against is the wealthy. Funny how if I lift weights every day, and can bench 400lbs, run every day, and can do marathons, read the bible every day, and can quote scriptures, I can be proud. But if I own a business, work every day and become wealthy, I should show shame. I had a customer that started life in a travel trailer, wife, and kids, worked his way up working tirelessly. More than I ever would. Bought into shops he worked at, eventually became very, very wealthy. Made a lot of people wealthy along the way, suppliers, employees, investors. Employed whole towns. He never drove any of his nice cars to work, he was too embarassed to. Never started anything for the money, it was about a job that needed done, a need that needed filled. It was about productivity. The money was just a tool, to accomplish the work. Eventually in this world it seems, if you earn anything, it is a judgement against you. Nobody accepts that wealth often is a manifestation of productivity.
I'm not sure what kind of behind the scenes stuff they're still striving for . From what I've heard so far I say sign the contract and let's focus on going forward. I'm currently getting fugged over on Saturdays because I'm getting forced in ,the union told everyone to refuse all overtime which causes the company to force people in. The list doesn't change so the same people get forced in. If we work 2 we get the third off.
Security? Ever worked in the aircraft industry?
Secure as a banana hammock.
AIM, let's see... I did get a vote for Clinton Gore sticker, which I cut up to say ""In 92, I am gone"
Pissed many off, but I was protected. Works both ways.
When they had lay offs, they got rid of some of the best, had no choice.
That sounds reasonable to who?
I won't even go to union meetings because the people who go are the die hard, blue no matter who progressive liberals. I just can't get on board with that thought process . I really don't fit in with the majority of the people I work with. I really could go on in more detail and examples . It is what it is I guess, I work my hours and go home,rinse and repeat.
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Really? The flip from Dem to Rep under Obama was because Obama was the first president to openly declare war on fossil fuels (especially coal), and all the Union coal miners finally opened their eyes to which party was the enemy….had nothing to do with his race…
Ditto. I’m the guy that sits quietly in the break room while my “brothers 🙄” spew their hatred for management.
Oh, I get it. I, too voted for Obama once.
But just once.
Maybe consider it a blessing in disguise. If you can get by with 40 hours and are forced to work overtime, maybe the overtime wages can go in a 529 plan for the kids?
Crazy, I can’t afford a new truck right now. I can only assume it’s going to get worse. Unfortunately for workers, this may increase automation of their jobs.
At the moment I’m seeing Ford use this as an opportunity to lay off workers they appear to not need and potentially CLOSE plants that aren’t as efficient as some do the newer and WAY MORE AUTOMATED plants…so, that’s where the Union is stepping in shit (See Detroit truck plant and
They have been offered many of the concessions they’ve wanted…but, it sounds like they’re pushing hard for future wage rates and “gap pay” that they aren’t gonna get. Has anyone pniied up the FORTY-SIX PERCENT that they’re asking for? As for GM & “Domestic Battery Plants must have Union Labor” …well, there appears to be a plant conversion going on down in Saltillo which is gonna make that issue a non-plus.
As to “getting it done and getting everyone back in the plant”…? You, sir, are absolutely right and I’m hopeful that this all works out to your benefit in your plant.
Good luck and good fortune,
Manny
Note: if I’m not mistaken, there are some “tiered” employees that’re truly getting f’d over…are they the employees to which the 46% applies and does that bring them up to current legacy employee pay rates?
Correct, Sir. We’d all be working like slaves for a pittance if it weren’t for unions. We’ve got short memories.
Power corrupts absolutely………..
Yup thousands were getting killed working too. Unions helped with safety also. 91 rail plowing with a train Boston to n of nyc. The ibew said we had to join there union. Out bosses said get lost. So they went out that night & cut hydraulic hoses , smashed windows on equipment & trks ovr 400 pieces of equipt. Literally in the dark of night we signed union cards on a hood of a car. A big mob guy says you gonna sign the card kid, I just nodded my head. We had to pay dues but didn’t get any union wages our pay didn’t change . Worlds strongest hhg rig I was in the operators & laborer union. None of us ever got union wages even in the ne. We called our local union & tried but we were threatened to be fired. 790 mil to hhg drill & pull a 72 in id pipeline under a river & the scumbags can’t pay prevailing wages. That’s why I said put me in charge of our trk line & got trained by a captain of the dot. Meet & pay the mob every week in the ne. Job site working foreman . The more responsibility the more you make. You still hv to threaten them tho.
In the 70,s most truckers where teamsters & made more than dr,s. Today drivers make .16 -.24 cpm 1960,s wages & there from 3rd world countries. Trucking wages now are 1/2 of 2 yrs ago. 1.20 to .60 now for ovr 30 yrs exp. Perfect mvr & psp points. A trk can easily run 20+ cars ovr , blow up & melt both directions of i95 njtk like last summer. You wouldn’t think they would bring 3rd world guys into America to wreck & kill people but they did. A auto worker has no chance of doing any kind of damage or hv the high risk of getting killed. It shocks me that there is a union yet. Since I saw construction go non union to illegals.
A guy a the truckers report posed that a pal of his has 10 trailers on Fords property. Ford owes him ovr 100k & has no idea when there unloading his trailers. I hauled any part you can think of to auto plants in America & Canada. Ridiculous amount of movement of 1 part in the process b4 the part is completed.
Construction you say? Non-Union…?
Thursday, I was at a product release/film shoot for my wife’s beauty industry gig…she gets busy as “award season” approaches and all the brands go to Hollywood/Santa Monica/Beverly Hills/Malibu to do their media events…
These take place in EXTREMELY WEALTHY neighborhoods…RIDICULOUS NEIGHBORHOODS where the Hollywood elite that you see on tv, in the movies…all over YouTube…etc. …it’s where they live and drive their exotic cars…and pose for selfies while driving on the PCH…
ALL of these neighborhoods ALWAYS seem to have some insanely ridiculous houses being remolded, “re-imagined” (yes, they actually say that shit!) or completely rebuilt…too the tune of TENS OF MILLIONS of dollars…again…ALL THE DAMN TIME…&…again…by the Ubber-Lefty-Hollywood Elite…
You know…those people on TV that are always walking the line with their Union Brethren…for about 10-15 minutes/long enough to get “the shot”…phony as hell…always telling us how to live and think and all that shit…
Well, guess who’s doing ALL the demo, carpentry/framing, dry-wall, stucco, paving, painting…all of it…who do ya think is doing ALL of THE WORK …oh, and, ask me how I know…?
And this is why I got a ‘05 manual 2500 Cummins before all the emissions bs. It’s such a simple truck. Just keep on the maintenance and it from rusting itself alive lol
I’ve actually put less money in this after I got it than I did my ‘99 5spd Tacoma just squaring shit away post purchase. Only downside is overhead parking garages are now a pastime.
good Christ, it’s insane the purchase/maintenance costs on new vehicles. And as if to double down on the dumb, dealers are having a really hard time selling and manufacturers are raising prices.
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