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Apply your logic to illegals crossing into Texas in Big Bend national park, which is federal land. They are entering illegally and are trespassing. Confrontations occur daily. Same rules still apply to everyone? With respect to the incident that occurred, there simply isn't enough information to take any side IMHO. I've seen dipshits riding dirtbikes at places they shouldn't have been and I've seen dipshit cops/LEO do stupid corrupt shit - or some that just make mistakes in the moment. No one knows what happened. And just because it was federal land doesn't mean anything, see first comment above.
Uh .. are they going to guard every transmission right of way Bonneville owns ?
I ride Sadie creek dnr OHV trail it runs under Bonneville 138kv lines for miles, no one's guarding them. No problems
Also they have a national at washougal and there are two 230kv bonneville lines running through there.
What a joke.
As people have said before, there isn’t enough context to this story so far. Maybe the fed (or contractor?) was escalating thing, maybe the father son were. But one thing is for sure. Getting into a physical altercation with anybody that you know has a gun on them is never going to end well. Even if the guy with the gun is the one escalating, run the fuck away before getting physical.
Don't trespass, than it's never an issue. Dont ride your illegally obtained dirt bike up and down my street without care to the laws that I and my children abide by. Dont ride your legally obtained dirtbike on my property, unless you ask. Its actually easy
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My approach with LEO's is if they didn't want to shoot someone they'd have picked a different career, especially snipers, so always assume they'll shoot before a rational person would expect. There are good ones out there, but there's also a lot that I wouldn't trust with a gun ever.
This rings home for me because to get to our local river trails we ride 1/3 mile down some residential streets and then down a flood control ditch that's technically illegal. It's the only way to access the river though because the government never put in access points. I hear people say that the wheelie guys should get ran over by the cops and all I think of is my son and I cruising 20mph down to the trails and a maniac cop runs us down from behind...
A guy was shot by a sniper here in Wichita a few years ago during a SWATing. He was super confused and was pulling up his sweat pants. Four cops on the porch with him didn't feel threatened, but the sniper across the street did...
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Dont trespass, it's not a joke
I'm not making up facts. I said clearly that we need to see details on what happened, and provided my thoughts on 2 scenarios.
The point I'm making is that the rules of engagement, the right of anyone to shoot someone else, should be identical, whether or not they're in law enforcement, whether they're local, or federal. There should be one set of rules, and everyone should be held accountable for their actions.
It's either justified, or it isn't.
Agreed! If the owner doesn't want you riding there, don't ride there!
And there needs to be more riding areas, but there aren't. There are fewer and fewer. The money we spend to register dirt bikes gets used for other things.
This.
People don't understand that Federal Laws/ dealing with the Feds is a whole different set of rules. Most don't realize that they can still be prosecuted for marijuana violations, Federally, even if it is legal in their State. It just depends how motivated the Feds are, in jamming you up.
There are a lot of people posting here making assumptions which only makes them look stupid.
I'm sure you'll find many stories to justify yourself BUT you're missing the point, on purpose, it seems.
He's prolly missing the fact that he had been ramming cars, including a police car and was off his tits on P (meth)
And in the mean time more land is being shut down to recreational use. So people then trespass "because I have always ridden there". But that doesn't help the matter. If you respect the laws, whether you agree or not, then you will be able to petition it and try to reopen them RESPONSIBLY. And with all the crazys out there today you need to be carful. Not only do the police have to deal with them, but some of the police are the problems as well. Sad situation all the way around.
So are you saying inconsiderate douchebags being assholes has the right to inflict bodily harm on some one. As in two on one. Do you realize how many people die each year in countries around the world from blows to the head. Or knocked down causing a blow to the head. Not as deadly as gun shot but people in this world were getting hurt and killed long before guns existed.
I didn't say that, I said...
"Inconsiderate douchebags being assholes don't deserve to be shot"
If the illegals confronted the border patrol agents like these guys reportedly did, you better believe their chances of getting shot would increase. These guys weren’t shot at for trespassing. Sounds like they were shot at for getting into a confrontation with an armed guard. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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They can replace transmission lines in a matter of hours. Transformers, capacitors and all the other equipment it takes to make sure those transmission lines do their job are very expensive and even worse are unavailable due to America shipping all our production of such assets to China. The backlog for such parts is measured in Years, you’re blissfully unaware of how fragile our power grid is.
Smartest thing said in this whole discussion. Shots weren’t fired over trespassing. Shots were fired over a physical altercation. The facts aren’t out to the public of what transpired. Chances are after 6 days law enforcement probably know what happened.
Sounds more like tuff guy rent a pig went hands on with the kid. When Dad jumped in chickensh!t pulled his piece and capped them both.
Makes a lot more sense than 2 folks acting out of character jumping the guy.
Or what?
It’s this kinda attitude that gets people who trespass shot.
Ever heard the saying. ,stupid games stupid prizes?
Let’s say this was posted in non moto section. What if the two people shot with one ending in fatality were not part of the dirt bike community, never owned a dirt bike. The security guard didn’t pull them over for riding a dirt bike/trespassing. They were pulled over for backing up to no trespassing sign and dumped an old washing machine a car battery and 13 gallon kitchen trash bag full of shitty baby diapers. A heated argument and physical altercation took place. Security Gaurd felt his life was threatened and used his firearm. If I had to guess and it’s just a guess. Comments might be like…..who would want to take a chance and get shot over dumping trash on federal land.
I would say the guard confronted them. Vital sure has a strange way of twisting things. I maybe missed the part that says they initiated the altercation. Probably because that didn't happen.
That's what happens when you're someplace you shouldn't be. You get confronted.
Exactly, not that hard to understand.
Rent a pig throwing down might not be accurate.
Cut and Paste,
According to SCSO, the incident started when the two men were contacted by an armed security person for trespassing on the Bonneville Power Administration, which is federal land. SCSO said the area was "clearly marked by signage."
Security and the two men eventually made contact with each other and "a heated verbal exchange" started. It then escalated into a physical fight between security and one of the men. The second man got involved in the physical altercation with security.
Witnesses to the altercation told investigators the two men appeared to be aggressive or actually fighting with security. At some point, security fired his weapon and hit the two men.
One of the men was taken to the hospital, where he is still receiving treatment. The other man was pronounced dead at the scene.
Yes, you are right. That is what I did. I cherry picked one story to create a straw man argument. I was purposely being ridiculous to show you how ridiculous what you're implying about the US is. We don't have cops over here running around crazy just killing people with impunity like people try to make out.
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