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Recently there are 2 demos in the Netherlands.
Yesterday I was able to take a test drive.
Had a lot of fun.
The motorcycle feels very narrow and compact.
The track was pretty loose.
After 10 minutes, 30% of the battery capacity had already been used.
So that a pro can ride it for 30 minutes on anything other than a hardpack track will not work.
The motorcycle is really neatly put together.
The plastic feels a bit flimsy.
And I don't like the phone on the bar.
Way too fragile.
A bit more power than the Alta.
But not that much better than I expected.
Too bad there are only 2 parameters to set.
Throttle response should also be a parameter in my opinion.
I wonder what the price will turn out when they finaly catch up with production.
And if the company will survive.
Thanks for the mention. I wasn't able to ride 3 x 20 min motos on full size motocross track without charging Stark Varg. To be able to do it, I charged the bike for 20 - 30min between each moto from 220v power outlet at the track.
Thanks for the info, so how much battery do you use for 20 min moto?
And more importantly, how does it feel riding the Varg?
Sorry I don't speak Finnish so could just go with the English description below the video. I've seen other videos by Manninen bros talking about the bike but still don't understand a single word 😁
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Just for reference, you can't extrapolate battery percentage in a linear way for the full range, the battery will taper off faster near the beginning, then hold a lot more steady near that 70%-30% range before tapering off again at a faster rate. I don't remember the exact reasoning, but it has something to do with the difficulty in measuring true capacity based on Voltage and translating that to a percentage figure that is easy to read, so in actuality you would probably get a decent amount more range than you're thinking. There will also be additional parameters added to the phone app over time, this is just what they are starting with, and I would bet throttle response will likely be one of those parameters.
This was one of their first days of testing.
You could reserve an hour and you could drive 2 times 10 minutes.
In the meantime, the bike was on the charger.
After the first hour, they set the limit at 45 horsepower to save battery. But after the second hour (4x 10 minutes with charging in between) the battery was below 15%.
And then the power is severely limited.
This was of course on a loose sand track.
The motor and battery were also very hot.
Can't wait to see the new fire resistant collection from Alpinestars. Neck burn baby.
I see, I didn't realize this was on a sand track, that makes a lot more sense. If you were limited to 45hp on a sand track that's not going to be any fun at all and definitely isn't a good indicator of what the bike is actually capable of, they aren't doing themselves any favors having people demo the bike under those conditions.
Couldn’t the software take this into account and display a linear battery percentage from 100 to 0? Seems more useful that way.
The gas gauge would drop like a rock after half tank on every Chevy I've ever owned ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
They may not be doing themselves any favours with a demo in those conditions, but they are doing potential customers a big favour doing a demo in those conditions.
There are a lot of sand tracks all around the world, in some places nothing but sand.
So buyers need to know how the bike gets on in those conditions
Here are some pictures I stole from Facebook, there are some cool Vargs out there
The Varg doesn't look half bad in supermoto either
This one is directly from Stark account but still crazy!
And finally, this is a tribute
I’m not familiar enough with the technical challenges associated with it to give you an answer as to why, I just know I’ve been told before that it’s not very easy to do for whatever reason. If it was simple to implement everyone would be doing it
Old post, I know. But still relevant.
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The SM setup looks sweet.
913 posted a new vid, that's just him riding his great private track. In these conditions range anxiety is not a thing but he used 68% battery in 90 min (set on 55 hp). Obviously it depends on the track and rider but that's still a pretty respectable range.
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I don't know if I'm more jealous of his Varg or his backyard track!
Pretty comprehensive range test is in by ECR.
All the details are in the vid and on their website.
Enduro trail mountain ride (40 hp, 50% regen): 2h11min (54 km / 34 mi) with 1800 m / 6000 ft elevation change. Different settings and scenery but that's about what Enforcer Enduro reported.
Slow leisure trail (25 hp, 50% regen): 3h24min (80 km / 44 mi)
Pro MX Thunder Valley (40-50 hp, 50% regen): 56 min (29 km / 18 mi)
MX IMI motorsports complex (40-50 hp, 50% regen): 1h4min (29 km / 18 mi)
These are practice days, seems plenty enough for amateurs and vet riders, provided you have means to charge between sessions. For pro competition right now we know it's perfectly fine for 15 min SX, we'll see quite soon for longer times.
https://electriccyclerider.com/2023/09/17/stark-varg-battery-range-test/
At the track today there was a local dealer doing a staff ride day with a Varg. I saw it at the end of the day, so I had to walk over and take a close look. After a bit of conversation, I was able to ride the bike up and down the parking area. Tracks had already closed for the day. Since I have a couple garage built electric CRF's, it was cool to be able to make some limited comparisons. Very thin feeling bike, low bars and high hard feeling seat. Rode it in the parameters set by the dealership. Very tunable for different skill and conditions. Not impressed by choice of material used for the plastics compared to what we are used to having on current MX bikes. Rear brake pedal had a different feel. It will be interesting when they are out in masses.
Curious how a pro at thunder valley mx was able to go 56min on a charge, yet i used 83% in 30 minutes at Cahuilla. Pretty similar tracks.
The video said he had some quick stops and some cruises on the water truck track, which were included in the 56 minutes of ride time.
Bryan, What is the real world battery life at your speed?
He's posted videos...
Interesting comments, first impressions from riders with different skill levels
I haven't yet seen someone not enjoying his time riding the Varg. Comments from amateurs, pro riders and ex pro riders are pretty similar to what we've been hearing for a year.
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