Do riders care about SMX?

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They added 3 races which have more money included, like it should.  That money should already be in the Supercross and Motocross series.  We dont need...

They added 3 races which have more money included, like it should.  That money should already be in the Supercross and Motocross series.  We dont need a 3 race gimmick for them to earn more money, While technically they are in their off-season if we look back the last 50 years.  

I mean if you want to make your sentence more technical, like, More options for money, 3 more events!  12-15 more times to get hurt.  They are racing and risking themselves more and more, for "more money"....  

 

BRUHHHHHH

That money only exists because of the combined series and the TV Contract that came about because of that combined series and extra races at the end.

But I'm sure you knew that right!?  Since you are so much smarter than the rest of us "dorks"

If they are so worried about getting hurt riding a dirt bike they better not ride from now until Anaheim 1 I suppose....

What's fucking comical is you woulda done anything in your power to be in those races for the payday back when you were chasing the dream.....now you want to sit back and play some holier than thou shit talking expert that knows everything....hypocrisy at it's finest.

 

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8/29/2023 12:46pm Edited Date/Time 8/29/2023 12:47pm
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I mean, that’s a fairly philosophical question. What do you consider “caring?” To some, dedicating your whole life to training and racing is caring in and...

I mean, that’s a fairly philosophical question. What do you consider “caring?” To some, dedicating your whole life to training and racing is caring in and of itself. You seem to think differently. Do they need to know how the series structure works in order to care? Or is showing up as prepared as possible enough? Also, why point at the riders. The teams seem to be just as confused. It’s a brand new thing. We’ll get there when it’s time. 

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You don't have any idea what I think. Pointing out the riders is pretty self explanatory, they're the ones who race. Not a lot of threads...

You don't have any idea what I think. Pointing out the riders is pretty self explanatory, they're the ones who race. Not a lot of threads on here debating the antics of team managers or mechanics. 

 

Let me ask another way. Do you think the guy who wins is going to be overcome with joy and be crying on the podium at having accomplished it or be standing there doing an interview like they just won a heat race? 

If some privateer like Masterpool wins a main, you best believe there will be some tears.

I think this whole inquiry of "do the riders care" is stupid. They're professionals. They get paid to race. They care because they are paid to be there. Same for pro SX and MX.

he whole notion that they do it for the love of competition, the love of racing, the pursuit of self-improvement is kind of naive. Yes those things factor into why they do it, especially guys in the 10-20 range who aren't getting paid all that much, but at the pointy end of the sport, money is the main motivating factor. Having a passion for the racing and the training certainly makes it easier, but that shit don't pay the bills.

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Besides showing up to get paid, I get the sense that none of them care about SMX at all. None of them seem to know much...

Besides showing up to get paid, I get the sense that none of them care about SMX at all. None of them seem to know much of anything about it as far as format or points or any of it. Everyone keeps asking them leading questions about it and the answer is always something like "oh yeah we still have to do that before we can start getting ready for next year......" Shimoda in particular had no idea how points worked and seemed totally unaware he could still win it. So I have to ask, do any of them actually care or do they just see this as a paid exhibition where they're going through the motions?

lets see how happy you guys are for ALL THIS MONEY, they are racing for, when we lose riders for anaheim.... in the next 3-4 weeks.  ...

lets see how happy you guys are for ALL THIS MONEY, they are racing for, when we lose riders for anaheim.... in the next 3-4 weeks.  

remember, there was a time all you dorks were saying less racing, longer break ....   boy oh boy.  

 

I get the most pissed when riders get hurt practicing. Can you imagine the nerve of these dudes, getting hurt when nothing is on the line, riding around for free at the practice track just to miss the points-paying races. Ridiculous. 

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MX Guy wrote:
I mean, that’s a fairly philosophical question. What do you consider “caring?” To some, dedicating your whole life to training and racing is caring in and...

I mean, that’s a fairly philosophical question. What do you consider “caring?” To some, dedicating your whole life to training and racing is caring in and of itself. You seem to think differently. Do they need to know how the series structure works in order to care? Or is showing up as prepared as possible enough? Also, why point at the riders. The teams seem to be just as confused. It’s a brand new thing. We’ll get there when it’s time. 

truck wrote:
You don't have any idea what I think. Pointing out the riders is pretty self explanatory, they're the ones who race. Not a lot of threads...

You don't have any idea what I think. Pointing out the riders is pretty self explanatory, they're the ones who race. Not a lot of threads on here debating the antics of team managers or mechanics. 

 

Let me ask another way. Do you think the guy who wins is going to be overcome with joy and be crying on the podium at having accomplished it or be standing there doing an interview like they just won a heat race? 

zehn wrote:
If some privateer like Masterpool wins a main, you best believe there will be some tears. I think this whole inquiry of "do the riders care"...

If some privateer like Masterpool wins a main, you best believe there will be some tears.

I think this whole inquiry of "do the riders care" is stupid. They're professionals. They get paid to race. They care because they are paid to be there. Same for pro SX and MX.

he whole notion that they do it for the love of competition, the love of racing, the pursuit of self-improvement is kind of naive. Yes those things factor into why they do it, especially guys in the 10-20 range who aren't getting paid all that much, but at the pointy end of the sport, money is the main motivating factor. Having a passion for the racing and the training certainly makes it easier, but that shit don't pay the bills.

This is dumb on many levels. The top guys get paid, absolutely, and it's a job, but it isn't the win bonus that brings them to tears, overcome with emotion after their first win or a championship. Just because you get paid doesn't mean you don't care. They care. A lot. 

And after the top 10-20 guys, there's a whole lot easier ways to make the money they are making. Again, they care, a lot. 

My original point in asking is that while I never expected them to care about the SMX championship as much as they do supercross and outdoors, I'm surprised at how wide that gap seems to be. 

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We will see how long this lasts! My guess 3 years max. 

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Like it or not, care or not I think this was a smart move to create this playoff. The direction that things are going with the whole sport in America under one umbrella now and one TV contract sets things up nicely to gain in popularity imho. It may take a few years of fine tuning things but I think it is here to stay and ultimately the priority and prestige will move to winning the whole enchilada at the end of the year.

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With the purses like this, I'm surprised there has not been more hype and talk about it.  That's some serious coin throughout the top 20 in the 450 class (second snip below).

I wonder what the MFR's pay in rider bonuses, if anything, for the combined SMX championship beyond the respective SX and MX series?

https://www.supercrosslive.com/news/supermotocross-world-championship-points-and-payout-breakdown

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Mit12 wrote:

We will see how long this lasts! My guess 3 years max. 

5yr contract with NBC/Peacock...It would be nice if people would let the races happen before the negativity....

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Mit12 wrote:

We will see how long this lasts! My guess 3 years max. 

DonM wrote:

5yr contract with NBC/Peacock...It would be nice if people would let the races happen before the negativity....

Whether any of us love or hate the way they set this up, I find it hard to believe that people are actually griping about it. Are there things that would be better off changed, of course. There’s always room for improvement. But in the grand scheme of things we are getting to witness more races. Is this really that bad?  Idc if it’s Supercross, Motocross, Des Nations, Monster Cup, or whatever. If the big boys are going to battle it out for a big purse or pride I’m watching. Isn’t that what makes you a fan of the sport?

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Mit12 wrote:

We will see how long this lasts! My guess 3 years max. 

DonM wrote:

5yr contract with NBC/Peacock...It would be nice if people would let the races happen before the negativity....

Oh the irony…..

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Mit12 wrote:

We will see how long this lasts! My guess 3 years max. 

DonM wrote:

5yr contract with NBC/Peacock...It would be nice if people would let the races happen before the negativity....

CPR wrote:

Oh the irony…..

Was I wrong? 

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There's been little information given to them currently, but yes they care because there's a lot of money involved. I was at Ironman and asking about...

There's been little information given to them currently, but yes they care because there's a lot of money involved.

I was at Ironman and asking about SMX because I plan on going to all three and these guys know very little.

One team manager had a parking map, that was all, but there were 2 teams on it that aren't going and one doesn't even exist anymore. 

The LCQ riders after 30 have been told they will know on Tuesday this week if they are invited or not and one rider told me they don't get the money anymore, the teams do, like WSX and that could create some waves. 

They've been told their credentials do work for SMX and also that they don't and will have to get new ones, everyone has been told something different, so the the point of my post is that nobody really knows what's going on but they all plan on going. 

Boy this sounds like something that’s been in the works for years, not something that was just thrown together at the last moment…

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38special wrote:
With the purses like this, I'm surprised there has not been more hype and talk about it.  That's some serious coin throughout the top 20 in...

With the purses like this, I'm surprised there has not been more hype and talk about it.  That's some serious coin throughout the top 20 in the 450 class (second snip below).

I wonder what the MFR's pay in rider bonuses, if anything, for the combined SMX championship beyond the respective SX and MX series?

https://www.supercrosslive.com/news/supermotocross-world-championship-points-and-payout-breakdown

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Well the MFG can pay whatever they want up to the what the rider wins and won’t be out a cent, you know since they are the ones getting the purse money 

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8/30/2023 8:24pm Edited Date/Time 8/30/2023 8:29pm
MX Culture wrote:
There's been little information given to them currently, but yes they care because there's a lot of money involved. I was at Ironman and asking about...

There's been little information given to them currently, but yes they care because there's a lot of money involved.

I was at Ironman and asking about SMX because I plan on going to all three and these guys know very little.

One team manager had a parking map, that was all, but there were 2 teams on it that aren't going and one doesn't even exist anymore. 

The LCQ riders after 30 have been told they will know on Tuesday this week if they are invited or not and one rider told me they don't get the money anymore, the teams do, like WSX and that could create some waves. 

They've been told their credentials do work for SMX and also that they don't and will have to get new ones, everyone has been told something different, so the the point of my post is that nobody really knows what's going on but they all plan on going. 

yak651 wrote:

Boy this sounds like something that’s been in the works for years, not something that was just thrown together at the last moment…

To be fair, I’d much rather them adjust the rules now as it’s the first time they’re trying a new format vs. sticking to their best guess years before it actually pans out. I still think they can actually change their rules about how the SMX races run a bit dramatically but it’s too late to make huge changes to what was promised for this season. 

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DonM wrote:

5yr contract with NBC/Peacock...It would be nice if people would let the races happen before the negativity....

CPR wrote:

Oh the irony…..

DonM wrote:

Was I wrong? 

Not trying to be negative, my point if from the history of the sport. Any championship that has been added to MX or SX has not survived for long. 

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DonM wrote:

5yr contract with NBC/Peacock...It would be nice if people would let the races happen before the negativity....

CPR wrote:

Oh the irony…..

DonM wrote:

Was I wrong? 

Not at all, I agree 100%, however you may have heeded your own advice with regard WSX.

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CPR wrote:

Oh the irony…..

DonM wrote:

Was I wrong? 

CPR wrote:

Not at all, I agree 100%, however you may have heeded your own advice with regard WSX.

I believe you misunderstood my question....

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DonM wrote:

Was I wrong? 

CPR wrote:

Not at all, I agree 100%, however you may have heeded your own advice with regard WSX.

DonM wrote:

I believe you misunderstood my question....

Again I refer to your ironic original statement…….

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8/31/2023 5:38pm Edited Date/Time 8/31/2023 5:39pm

I have heard through a member of a satelite yamaha team that the teams are having to pay $40,000.00 to enter the series. Anyone know if this is true ? How would that work for the privateers ? You would have finish 11th in the 450 class to break even.

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9/1/2023 11:13am

Just wait until they announce the new SUPER DUPER MX series (SDMX) next year.  People's heads will explode.  Points will be given for winning practice, fastest speed in the pits, and sickest tattoo.  

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LCQ could get a lil chippy with all this money on the line. Hell the main race could get a lil chippy lol.

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Hcallz5 wrote:

LCQ could get a lil chippy with all this money on the line. Hell the main race could get a lil chippy lol.

The opposite usually happens in these when all positions pay well. The reward of going for a position isn't worth the risk of putting yourself out of the one you're already in. 

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9/1/2023 11:52pm
Mit12 wrote:

We will see how long this lasts! My guess 3 years max. 

Probably, and each year the payout will reduce by a big %.

It was just a big block to destroy WSX.

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Mit12 wrote:

We will see how long this lasts! My guess 3 years max. 

Probably, and each year the payout will reduce by a big %.

It was just a big block to destroy WSX.

Bitter much...."But what if you're wrong." WSX destroyed itself if you think at any point that the US based teams were going to allow their racers to only race half the races that they have supported for decades I've got a desert oasis to sell you....SMX had absolutely zero to do with the demise of WSX....If WSX would have started as a fall series we would be talking about their success now... 

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Einstein didn’t know his phone number, cause he could look it up. They’ll figure it out when they need to. Some riders may be too focused on preparing for it to worry about stupid details their team can fill them in on when it matters. Usually the best strategy is go as fast as you can for as long as you can

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