Another Ferrandis thread...

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I know there have been lots of questions concerning Dylan Fernandis, and the team he will land on for the 2024 season...if indeed he lands on one at all. So far, there has been no announcement...and basically no news at all. That's weird, seeing as the music has stopped on pretty much every every team out there, and everybody seems to have found a place...except Ferrandis.

I know people have whined about him being critical of the Star Yamaha...about ongoing bike setup as a whole, and he seems to not feel too warm & fuzzy about the Star team at all. That's funny, since he's riding that bike he criticizes to some solid finishes in the last few races...showing not only that the bike can win, but that Dylan is a world class rider that has every right to be a part of a factory team on factory equipment. Lots of other stellar riders have been chronic bitchers in the past, and have signed on winning teams that put winning ahead of rider ego and personality.

So...all that to say, it wouldn't surprise me a bit to see Dylan either retire, or head back across the pond to race MXGP's. He'd for sure get great machinery there, and would probably land a seat on a good team. 

What say ye?

 

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Insane AC and Plessinger have rides over him honestly. Similar in some ways to Kawasaki picking Weimer over Pourcel in 2011. Most people on this site at the time knew that was not the right decision. What about Husky? Stewart is SX only right? Why not give Ferrandis a one year SX and MX deal?

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TDeath21 wrote:
Insane AC and Plessinger have rides over him honestly. Similar in some ways to Kawasaki picking Weimer over Pourcel in 2011. Most people on this site...

Insane AC and Plessinger have rides over him honestly. Similar in some ways to Kawasaki picking Weimer over Pourcel in 2011. Most people on this site at the time knew that was not the right decision. What about Husky? Stewart is SX only right? Why not give Ferrandis a one year SX and MX deal?

Malcolm is not SX only. 

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TDeath21 wrote:
Insane AC and Plessinger have rides over him honestly. Similar in some ways to Kawasaki picking Weimer over Pourcel in 2011. Most people on this site...

Insane AC and Plessinger have rides over him honestly. Similar in some ways to Kawasaki picking Weimer over Pourcel in 2011. Most people on this site at the time knew that was not the right decision. What about Husky? Stewart is SX only right? Why not give Ferrandis a one year SX and MX deal?

Malcolm is not SX only. 

I guess him only racing 4 MX races since 2014 made me think he was SX only.

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Crazy to me that TLD/Gasgas can't get budget for a second top level rider. KTM buys up all these brands, and spreads the riders out so there are equal/less available positions, not more as advertised by the "more brands = more factory rides!" The KTM umbrella 250 programs have been seriously down, and the 450 programs sign their two riders and couldn't be bothered with fill-ins.

Ferrandis is one of the best riders out there, it's criminal that he doesn't have a top paying ride on a factory team moving forward (yet, fingers crossed).

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TDeath21 wrote:
Insane AC and Plessinger have rides over him honestly. Similar in some ways to Kawasaki picking Weimer over Pourcel in 2011. Most people on this site...

Insane AC and Plessinger have rides over him honestly. Similar in some ways to Kawasaki picking Weimer over Pourcel in 2011. Most people on this site at the time knew that was not the right decision. What about Husky? Stewart is SX only right? Why not give Ferrandis a one year SX and MX deal?

Crazy that those guys who are beloved by the fans and are super engaging have rides? What planet do you live on? AC/AP are as fast as Ferrandis and way better with engagement which the sponsors love. 

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That sounds crazy but the top 250 teams including Triumph should also be interested by him for MX and SMX. 

He should really try HEP (or club, etc) if he can keep Monster and his gear deal like KR, the bike did more than ok.

MXGP : not sure if there are seats too.

That would really sucks to retire after only 3 years in 450 (and 1 title) while still being healthy and competitive.

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TDeath21 wrote:
Insane AC and Plessinger have rides over him honestly. Similar in some ways to Kawasaki picking Weimer over Pourcel in 2011. Most people on this site...

Insane AC and Plessinger have rides over him honestly. Similar in some ways to Kawasaki picking Weimer over Pourcel in 2011. Most people on this site at the time knew that was not the right decision. What about Husky? Stewart is SX only right? Why not give Ferrandis a one year SX and MX deal?

JazzyJJ wrote:
Crazy that those guys who are beloved by the fans and are super engaging have rides? What planet do you live on? AC/AP are as fast...

Crazy that those guys who are beloved by the fans and are super engaging have rides? What planet do you live on? AC/AP are as fast as Ferrandis and way better with engagement which the sponsors love. 

AC and AP are not as fast as Ferrandis. Maybe on 250s in 2018-2019, but not today.

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These past 2 races is the first time I've seen Dylan be more like his usual self personality wise, he's looked over it all year, and when he got asked the question I think it was on pulpmx on where he's going he seemed to not really care/bitter.

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tomlopez wrote:

AC and AP are not as fast as Ferrandis. Maybe on 250s in 2018-2019, but not today.

             Mr. tomlopez is correct. They both interact with the crowd better than Dylan, but they are primarily paid to twist throttle. The guy should have a ride, but my money says he is done here.

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Maybe instead of talking about it we should all chip in $100 and start Team Vital MX and try to fund his bikes, parts, mechanic, etc. for the year.

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TDeath21 wrote:
Insane AC and Plessinger have rides over him honestly. Similar in some ways to Kawasaki picking Weimer over Pourcel in 2011. Most people on this site...

Insane AC and Plessinger have rides over him honestly. Similar in some ways to Kawasaki picking Weimer over Pourcel in 2011. Most people on this site at the time knew that was not the right decision. What about Husky? Stewart is SX only right? Why not give Ferrandis a one year SX and MX deal?

JazzyJJ wrote:
Crazy that those guys who are beloved by the fans and are super engaging have rides? What planet do you live on? AC/AP are as fast...

Crazy that those guys who are beloved by the fans and are super engaging have rides? What planet do you live on? AC/AP are as fast as Ferrandis and way better with engagement which the sponsors love. 

tomlopez wrote:

AC and AP are not as fast as Ferrandis. Maybe on 250s in 2018-2019, but not today.

Outdoors I agree, but do you think Ferrandis is a better SX rider than AP? 

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TDeath21 wrote:
Insane AC and Plessinger have rides over him honestly. Similar in some ways to Kawasaki picking Weimer over Pourcel in 2011. Most people on this site...

Insane AC and Plessinger have rides over him honestly. Similar in some ways to Kawasaki picking Weimer over Pourcel in 2011. Most people on this site at the time knew that was not the right decision. What about Husky? Stewart is SX only right? Why not give Ferrandis a one year SX and MX deal?

JazzyJJ wrote:
Crazy that those guys who are beloved by the fans and are super engaging have rides? What planet do you live on? AC/AP are as fast...

Crazy that those guys who are beloved by the fans and are super engaging have rides? What planet do you live on? AC/AP are as fast as Ferrandis and way better with engagement which the sponsors love. 

tomlopez wrote:

AC and AP are not as fast as Ferrandis. Maybe on 250s in 2018-2019, but not today.

Have you looked at SX results? We know what sponsors care about more between MX and SX and it ain't MX.

Also, anyone arguing that all they get paid for is "twisting the throttle" is ignorant at best. They are entertainers and sponsors pay to get ROI. The difference between AF in 3rd or AP/AC in 5th is that fans love the latter two and they get people excited. 

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TDeath21 wrote:
Insane AC and Plessinger have rides over him honestly. Similar in some ways to Kawasaki picking Weimer over Pourcel in 2011. Most people on this site...

Insane AC and Plessinger have rides over him honestly. Similar in some ways to Kawasaki picking Weimer over Pourcel in 2011. Most people on this site at the time knew that was not the right decision. What about Husky? Stewart is SX only right? Why not give Ferrandis a one year SX and MX deal?

Kawasaki didn't pick AC over Ferrandis, he is on a 2 year deal with '24 being the second year. Same with Stewart and Craig at Husky. Those three seats will be available after next year.

The only ones that were "picked" over Ferrandis were Webb to Star and Sexton to KTM, with Anderson, AP and Barcia all signing extensions with their respective teams.

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Buckland wrote:
Crazy to me that TLD/Gasgas can't get budget for a second top level rider. KTM buys up all these brands, and spreads the riders out so...

Crazy to me that TLD/Gasgas can't get budget for a second top level rider. KTM buys up all these brands, and spreads the riders out so there are equal/less available positions, not more as advertised by the "more brands = more factory rides!" The KTM umbrella 250 programs have been seriously down, and the 450 programs sign their two riders and couldn't be bothered with fill-ins.

Ferrandis is one of the best riders out there, it's criminal that he doesn't have a top paying ride on a factory team moving forward (yet, fingers crossed).

You'll never put Barcia and Ferrandis under the same awning.

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JazzyJJ wrote:
Crazy that those guys who are beloved by the fans and are super engaging have rides? What planet do you live on? AC/AP are as fast...

Crazy that those guys who are beloved by the fans and are super engaging have rides? What planet do you live on? AC/AP are as fast as Ferrandis and way better with engagement which the sponsors love. 

tomlopez wrote:

AC and AP are not as fast as Ferrandis. Maybe on 250s in 2018-2019, but not today.

Mavetism wrote:

Outdoors I agree, but do you think Ferrandis is a better SX rider than AP? 

I think his peak SX speed is better, albeit he's been incredibly inconsistent with injuries and bad starts since moving up to the 450. However, Plessinger hasn't been much better.

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mx 219 wrote:
Maybe instead of talking about it we should all chip in $100 and start Team Vital MX and try to fund his bikes, parts, mechanic, etc...

Maybe instead of talking about it we should all chip in $100 and start Team Vital MX and try to fund his bikes, parts, mechanic, etc. for the year.

Lol.  Dylan might have a few options he might not want.  If you want to race bad enough you will be out there.    He is fast enough deserving of a ride, not many spots left.  Take what ya can get, or fund you re own effort, or if wanted. Retire. I doubt he is hurting for $$.   Bad timing, no premier spots left. 

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8/21/2023 9:27am Edited Date/Time 8/21/2023 9:30am

they fixed the bike and he rode better. crazy. 

 

sorry, you have to be an influencer with a shtick to keep a ride nowadays. fast foreigner who wants to show up and race, no can do. need a prop ya know. cowboy hat. donut. dog. YT channel doing bike giveaways. rap video. something. hot GF and long hair is so 90s. 

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Hot take, really hot haha.

What if you're Triumph and coming into SX this year with a brand new 250f...simply to get more time on the machine, more development, more eyes on the brand/bike, etc....what about throwing DF14 on the new 250f BUT in the 450/SX class?  The big thing here is we've seen it often, the likes of say Jett, have the fastest overall qualifying time of the day in the Lites class (on a 250f)...meaning it IS possible to be competitive on a 250f in the big bike class.  And if things don't go well then they already have the built in excuse of "he's just helping us develop the bike and of course he's not going to do well against motorcycles with 30%+ more horsepower".

 

Combine that thought process with the fact that he has had FAR better success on a little bike on SX than he has ever had on a big bike...

 

Just thought.

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TDeath21 wrote:
Insane AC and Plessinger have rides over him honestly. Similar in some ways to Kawasaki picking Weimer over Pourcel in 2011. Most people on this site...

Insane AC and Plessinger have rides over him honestly. Similar in some ways to Kawasaki picking Weimer over Pourcel in 2011. Most people on this site at the time knew that was not the right decision. What about Husky? Stewart is SX only right? Why not give Ferrandis a one year SX and MX deal?

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Kawasaki didn't pick AC over Ferrandis, he is on a 2 year deal with '24 being the second year. Same with Stewart and Craig at Husky...

Kawasaki didn't pick AC over Ferrandis, he is on a 2 year deal with '24 being the second year. Same with Stewart and Craig at Husky. Those three seats will be available after next year.

The only ones that were "picked" over Ferrandis were Webb to Star and Sexton to KTM, with Anderson, AP and Barcia all signing extensions with their respective teams.

It’s similar though. I didn’t say identical. AC has done absolutely nothing in the 450 class since moving up in 2020 aside from a decent run in the shortened 2020 MX season. Yet they continue to give him contracts. Baffling. 

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MOTO120 wrote:
Hot take, really hot haha. What if you're Triumph and coming into SX this year with a brand new 250f...simply to get more time on the...

Hot take, really hot haha.

What if you're Triumph and coming into SX this year with a brand new 250f...simply to get more time on the machine, more development, more eyes on the brand/bike, etc....what about throwing DF14 on the new 250f BUT in the 450/SX class?  The big thing here is we've seen it often, the likes of say Jett, have the fastest overall qualifying time of the day in the Lites class (on a 250f)...meaning it IS possible to be competitive on a 250f in the big bike class.  And if things don't go well then they already have the built in excuse of "he's just helping us develop the bike and of course he's not going to do well against motorcycles with 30%+ more horsepower".

 

Combine that thought process with the fact that he has had FAR better success on a little bike on SX than he has ever had on a big bike...

 

Just thought.

Dylan, doubtful.wants to be a part of an experiment. Lol. And if triumph had the $$ he wants

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Dylan, doubtful.wants to be a part of an experiment. Lol. And if triumph had the $$ he wants

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Dylan, doubtful.wants to be a part of an experiment. Lol. And if triumph had the $$ he wants

Wade221 wrote:

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It is vital, not harvard law school. 

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davistld01 wrote:
I know there have been lots of questions concerning Dylan Fernandis, and the team he will land on for the 2024 season...if indeed he lands on...

I know there have been lots of questions concerning Dylan Fernandis, and the team he will land on for the 2024 season...if indeed he lands on one at all. So far, there has been no announcement...and basically no news at all. That's weird, seeing as the music has stopped on pretty much every every team out there, and everybody seems to have found a place...except Ferrandis.

I know people have whined about him being critical of the Star Yamaha...about ongoing bike setup as a whole, and he seems to not feel too warm & fuzzy about the Star team at all. That's funny, since he's riding that bike he criticizes to some solid finishes in the last few races...showing not only that the bike can win, but that Dylan is a world class rider that has every right to be a part of a factory team on factory equipment. Lots of other stellar riders have been chronic bitchers in the past, and have signed on winning teams that put winning ahead of rider ego and personality.

So...all that to say, it wouldn't surprise me a bit to see Dylan either retire, or head back across the pond to race MXGP's. He'd for sure get great machinery there, and would probably land a seat on a good team. 

What say ye?

 

The odd part of all of this is they replaced DF with CW.  CW is a bigger bitcher about the bike than DF…by quite a bit.  Eli very well may be SX only as Coop has been until this year.  SMX changes things some but….  Because of Eli, Chase, and Jett…not to mention others…the odds of CW ever winning another race, I think, is low.  At best he now is the 4th best SX rider and at worst the 7th or 8th.  DF has a better chance to win an outdoor race, and for sure put a blue bike on the podium in outdoors, than Coop winning anything.  All JMO.

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MOTO120 wrote:
Hot take, really hot haha. What if you're Triumph and coming into SX this year with a brand new 250f...simply to get more time on the...

Hot take, really hot haha.

What if you're Triumph and coming into SX this year with a brand new 250f...simply to get more time on the machine, more development, more eyes on the brand/bike, etc....what about throwing DF14 on the new 250f BUT in the 450/SX class?  The big thing here is we've seen it often, the likes of say Jett, have the fastest overall qualifying time of the day in the Lites class (on a 250f)...meaning it IS possible to be competitive on a 250f in the big bike class.  And if things don't go well then they already have the built in excuse of "he's just helping us develop the bike and of course he's not going to do well against motorcycles with 30%+ more horsepower".

 

Combine that thought process with the fact that he has had FAR better success on a little bike on SX than he has ever had on a big bike...

 

Just thought.

Qualifying is different than the main event, Dylan has showed hes not a good starter especially in SX so him on a 250 he'd be 20th into the first corner.  

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Shred wrote:
The odd part of all of this is they replaced DF with CW.  CW is a bigger bitcher about the bike than DF…by quite a bit...

The odd part of all of this is they replaced DF with CW.  CW is a bigger bitcher about the bike than DF…by quite a bit.  Eli very well may be SX only as Coop has been until this year.  SMX changes things some but….  Because of Eli, Chase, and Jett…not to mention others…the odds of CW ever winning another race, I think, is low.  At best he now is the 4th best SX rider and at worst the 7th or 8th.  DF has a better chance to win an outdoor race, and for sure put a blue bike on the podium in outdoors, than Coop winning anything.  All JMO.

Pretty hot take bro

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MOTO120 wrote:
Hot take, really hot haha. What if you're Triumph and coming into SX this year with a brand new 250f...simply to get more time on the...

Hot take, really hot haha.

What if you're Triumph and coming into SX this year with a brand new 250f...simply to get more time on the machine, more development, more eyes on the brand/bike, etc....what about throwing DF14 on the new 250f BUT in the 450/SX class?  The big thing here is we've seen it often, the likes of say Jett, have the fastest overall qualifying time of the day in the Lites class (on a 250f)...meaning it IS possible to be competitive on a 250f in the big bike class.  And if things don't go well then they already have the built in excuse of "he's just helping us develop the bike and of course he's not going to do well against motorcycles with 30%+ more horsepower".

 

Combine that thought process with the fact that he has had FAR better success on a little bike on SX than he has ever had on a big bike...

 

Just thought.

I don't think a fulltime 450 class guy can race a 250 in the class.  I think the rule allows a rider from a 250 class to race the 450 class on the opposite coast they are riding. That was the rule last I read it, so it could have changed.  Its not the worst idea I've heard.  

I used to dislike him when it seemed like he was taking out 10 guys per race in 250SX. But I've grown to respect how hard he works  to do well. And it would suck for him not to get a ride for next year. I really hope he sticks around in the US . I think he is too good at SX to not race SX.  

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Buckland wrote:
Crazy to me that TLD/Gasgas can't get budget for a second top level rider. KTM buys up all these brands, and spreads the riders out so...

Crazy to me that TLD/Gasgas can't get budget for a second top level rider. KTM buys up all these brands, and spreads the riders out so there are equal/less available positions, not more as advertised by the "more brands = more factory rides!" The KTM umbrella 250 programs have been seriously down, and the 450 programs sign their two riders and couldn't be bothered with fill-ins.

Ferrandis is one of the best riders out there, it's criminal that he doesn't have a top paying ride on a factory team moving forward (yet, fingers crossed).

So KTM buys Husky & GasGas, neither of which had ANY presence in Pro SX/MX before KTM bought them, now those Teams employ riders and personnel but somehow that is less rides?

Ok, that makes a ton of sense.

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8/21/2023 1:06pm Edited Date/Time 8/21/2023 1:12pm
mx 219 wrote:
Maybe instead of talking about it we should all chip in $100 and start Team Vital MX and try to fund his bikes, parts, mechanic, etc...

Maybe instead of talking about it we should all chip in $100 and start Team Vital MX and try to fund his bikes, parts, mechanic, etc. for the year.

Then he could log in here to bitch about the bike and fit right in ?

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mx 219 wrote:
Maybe instead of talking about it we should all chip in $100 and start Team Vital MX and try to fund his bikes, parts, mechanic, etc...

Maybe instead of talking about it we should all chip in $100 and start Team Vital MX and try to fund his bikes, parts, mechanic, etc. for the year.

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Then he could log in here to bitch about the bike and fit right in ?

I’ll do it as long as I get VIP passes to the races….you know…as part team owner.

tbh…I’d do it anyway to keep a top tier rider in the series.

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