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Imagine a football team being national champions in the C level group.
Things won’t change as long as Loretta’s is a big money maker
They actually tried “beginner” classes about 10 years ago and did not have he participation they must have hoped for.
'Top C Riders' really are just too insecure to race B.
Last I was racing I always raced 85 7-11 & Supermini. Then my last year I think it was 85 12-13 or 12-16 and Supermini. Some places just went A,B,C instead of age groups but nowadays I see like 8-10 different 85cc type classes it's insane.
I rode the same bike in both classes. Some guys had a special "supermini" bike but my Dad thought it would make me faster riding against bigger bikes anyways. Even with a bunch of sponsor help it was crazy expensive to keep 1 bike in perfect condition, I don't know how the hell those guys could do both and they were usually the ones pulling up with a massive RV and trailer behind it.
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Crazy how everyone is dogging on C class and saying they're really B riders. No shit. But to race C class you have to have never been to LL before. Nothing wrong with having a class to see who the fastest new comer to the national scene is.
But to get to my point here, everyone is telling a 14-15 year old kid that just got on a 250 a few months ago, is new to the national scene, and has never even been to LL that - The fair thing to do is line up against Casey Cochran, who literally runs pro level speeds on his full blown factory Husky bike. They're supposed to be banging bars with Logan Best and Gavin Towers on their factory Yamaha bikes. Or Drew Adams on his Factory Kawasaki. I mean i can make an entire list here. I mean seriously, Casey literally just won Schoolboy 2. That class is a fucking B/C class. A full blown factory rider who will be competing for podiums in supercross in a few months is literally allowed to race against C riders. I wonder why that 15 year old didn't just jump in there with the sharks...
Fast as shit C class riders ain't the problem. That is what we call a symptom of the problem.
I stand by my statement that the classes we have are fine. Requirements/stipulations for said classes are broken...
We just had multiple guys who have "qualified" for Loretta's line up in C class. They just didn't race it for whatever reason previously.
A kid with multiple Arenacross National titles raced C class.
B class and B/C classes are full of Full blown Factory riders.
A class is full of pro level riders that are just hanging around hoping to get picked up for a factory deal.
All comes down to the money. The more riders/classes the more mulah.
One of the C class winners this year raced Loretta's on a 50cc
Didn't think you could do that.
You can race 50cc 4-6 and then race C class
you can’t Race 50cc 7-8 and then race C class though.
MX sports rule book now says:
a. Participated at the National in any previous year in any class, with the exception of any Micro, Girls or Youth Beginner (2011) class, as well as any Women Amateur class racers finishing outside of the top 10.
Micro 3 is the 50 (7-8) class. I thought back in the day it was only 4-6 shaft class but now it's any 50 class i guess.
I mean i think that's probably a fair rule though. Way bigger issues than that, to me.
65 class and up
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Yup. Especially down here in SoCal. Go to any swap race or local Perris race and the b class has about 4 dudes in it, I’m one of them. It’s all just working dudes on the line and they line us up with pro. There’s a max 12 guys on the gate ha. Novice motos( C class) come around and there’s kids with race bikes and dads with head sets and pit boards and the gate is full. Funny thing is the sandbaggers racing novice because they’re doing C class at Loretta would benefit from racing with the pros. But C class W’s at the local race look better on the insta post tagging all the companies that give them 25% off
C class championships are legit to me, as long as every competitor is moved to B the next season.
+25 makes very little sense to me. Don't get me wrong; I cleaned up in +25 Intermediate back in the day (not at Loretta's,) but even then I thought it was a little weird.
C class need to go away completely because there is no way to police that class. There also needs to be a movement to push riders back to local racing and that would help. I agree also supermini needs to be big wheel 85. Its time for 60+ and full gate 50+ if they need to keep the numbers.
I just want to see a vet plus 40 class is all I ask. I want to see 30-40 former pros get after it for 3 Motos.
C class guys at my area quali at byron top 7 would have put themselves 2nd Thur 8th in 250 A and pro sport and pushed 2nd thru 8th down to 9th+.
I mean you you didn't even play around. You just went straight for the dumbest post of the day award. I like it!
Why does 1 race determine who the best racers are? They should probably have a series of 3 rounds (7-9 motos) for the best 42 racers.
Other than that I agree. Make less classes.
Pit Row
Want to fix the C Class? WHEELS ON THE GROUND.
Number backgrounds should have to be a certain color for locals and nationals. Pink for C class. Yellow for B class. White or black for A class. Incentive for kids to move up. (Looking cool with the A rider plate.
Vet sportsman should have rainbow colored plates.
Y’all get way to butt hurt about never making Loretta’s and needing everything to change to make it. Y’all took what the OP was trying to do and made this thread a joke.
My old boss’s son rode Supermini’s back in 2011-2012, from what I remember they had 1 105 and 1 112. Testing them over multiple days at multiple tracks they ended up going 105 because the overall power delivery was better and it was more reliable than the 112.
If you go to any national racing event, moto, bmx, rc cars etc. there classes for anyone who wants to be there from the young-old, fast-slow. Amatuer nationals, if anything are to bring together the community as a whole to enjoy the sport. sure, little johnny in the 250c will probably never even make local pro, but who cares.
the real problem is pretending loretta's is real litmus test for the next pro racers. SX futures and the MX combines fill this role and should be expanded into a pro am series with more events
Yup, I truly believe its that simple, and nothing anyone says will change my mind. This is capitalism, money over everything. Can I blame them? Not really, but it does take away from the entertainment factor. I'd definitely watch LL's if there were a lot less classes.
Give the old guys their own race and make LL all about the up and comers.
If there’s a 250C class, then why not have a 65C class, and a 85C class. Maybe a super mini C class too? Maybe ad some D classes too
see how stupid that sounds.
Don't forget Jeremy McGrath won the C class in 1987.
I see that as a good thing .
It doesn't sound as stupid as thinking that 25+ is a Vet class.
Bro, by that logic there shouldn't be a B class either then... If all we care about is who is the fastest person on big bikes then get rid of all of the classes. No Schoolboy, no B class, no vet/age classes... The reason there is no 50 thru Supermini B and C class is because there is a level of separation by age. Once you hit big bikes it's any age (minus a few classes). So there has to be something to break the people up to some extent. So they just do it by skill/experience.
Now i would be all for doing away with A,B, and C all together if they just created:
250 cc 12-17 (stock and mod)
250 cc 18-25 (stock and mod)
Pro Transition 1 & 2 Class: If you have any amount of factory support you automatically go into this class. the very year you move off of Supermini you are in this class. 1 is the developmental class and 2 is the guys going pro in the next 2 years. Once you have been to LL more than twice in the above classes, you automatically move to this class.
Now they're separated by a reasonable degree based on age still. It still creates enough spots on the gate for guys and there is no way to Sandbag.
The truth is they're just trying to create enough classes that there is something for literally everyone. It's not about finding out who is going to be the next James Stewart to them. To them this is simply a business and they're trying to capture every demographic there is.
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