Thought on "USA"

All I'll say on this is Haiden is an American in an American series raced solely in America in front of a predominately American crowd racing against 1 or 2 foreigners.. Why go there? I think some of us have a theory why..

What if Hunter said anything similar would it be as embraced? 

Wow man.  Thank you for sharing that, I've never seen it.   That is incredible.  I have even more respect and admiration for him now.

I disagree!

It's ok to cheer for your country in a sporting event. 

Yep Usain Bolt is a class act

Didn’t Jett say something about Australian grit on the Redbud podium last year?

Many that talk shit have never been to or apart of an international competition representing your country. Too much woke crap these days. 

You can disagree with someone’s opinion without calling names.

The folks using the words “Pussy”, Libtard”, “Woke” (whatever the fuck that means) and other offensive insults on people who have a different opinion than you is shameful.

Insults like that should get your ass thrown out of here, like ML did with that Dennis System guy. 

This kind of hate doesn’t belong anywhere, especially on a motocross message board.

Cheer for your country, team, riders, but respect the competition and their supporters!

That’s awesome. Philly gets a bad wrap but that video shows our true colors. 

When it has become shameful to cheer for your country, the system is broken. It equates to participation trophies and no recognition of difference/effort. 

 Lewis Hamilton at Silverstone

 We can support American riders and our country without dissing others. If this turns into the JMB type stuff or when we saw Marv get flipped off then that's too far.

Yep at the ONE race he has in his country in front of his countrymen in a WORLD championship.. It's different!

I should mention I don't really have a problem with the USA USA or taking the flag up but it is different to do it at a NATIONAL competition rather than a INTERNATIONAL one

It's really awesome that Lawrence's are here putting on a clinic for us, Steve's right, they are the embodiment of the American Dream. At the same time, the brothers are on top and the USA vs Australia thing was bound to come up in some form when someone stepped up to challenge them. I think the 1-2 punch of the 2 of them dominating US MX is what sets their situation apart from Roczen or Musquin.

I was skeptical of Deegans ability but you can't deny he's got it and his Washougal race was a good time on a bike. Personally I don't think Haiden needs to act like a walking youtube thumbnail.

Yep sure, but the person we're talking about is not representing his country in an international competition

That's fine, but you know the bigger picture is such that cheering for your own is frowned upon by many. 

I'm responding directly to the comments that Steve made. He said you'd never see Lewis Hamilton stoking patriotism at Silverstone. 

Nationalism means many things, I'm not sure that I understand how you are using it here.  Are you suggesting that nationalists "can't acknowledge terrible things done by the US"?  And maybe more importantly, are you suggesting that all patriots acknowledge these "terrible" things?    And maybe most importantly, why do you feel the need to break them out from one another?  Not saying you can't, just wondering why.

Loving your country and also wanting it to have its own best interests in mind is a mash up of both concepts.  Patriotism and nationalism can be synonymous if used together in the proper context. 

My guess is that you view the world from a globalist perspective and feel threatened by nationalist sentiments.  Or perhaps, you are only viewing nationalism in its extreme form?  Regardless, it is very apparent that you have a total disdain for nationalism.  Some of which is properly warranted, some of which, most likely, is not.

Lastly, the irony of your ad hominem attack, to defend a perceived ad hominem attack against yourself, is not lost here. 

It’s sad how people can’t just have a discussion about something without getting so heated. Some of the replies in this thread are wild.

Dumbgeon time?

As an American I’m not big on patriotism or nationalism but I don’t have a problem with it.

That being said, I can’t help but think of Deegan as being anything more than a mouthpiece for his father on the podium. Maybe that’s just because he’s young and his parents are always around to take the opportunity to share the spotlight with him whenever the chance presents itself. Cool I guess, but I also think there’s some value in letting the kid learn to shine on his own. I would be curious to see what he says when they aren’t there for a round or two and puts up the same results.

The way he comes across when he says stuff like he was “happy to put an American on top” seems a bit disingenuous or like him and his old man rehearsed it one too many times. I’m just saying if it were all Haiden on the podium, I have a hard time believing that’d be what comes out of the mouth of a modern day, 17 year old American. He doesn’t tend to keep the same energy in the press conference with his (often times Australian) opponent right next to him, which just solidifies the above for me.

It seems like he might be playing the mind game a bit prematurely before he really knows what he’s signing up for, but we’ll see what the next few rounds bring. I could see it working out in his favor as much as I could see Hunter taking the high road and sticking it to him with better results.

And yeah sure shout out Goggins but leave Andrew Tate out of it. The optics of that are just unnecessary and bad. Dude is a wasteman.

i agree with steve on this one..........

nothing wrong with being proud of your'e country  but save the fist pumping/flag waving for MXON.

unfortunately it will incite some dimwitts (a small minority) to hassle the foreign riders...its happened in the past.

can recall some french riders previously copping boo's when they where kickin yankee butt!

one of them posts here....... 

Oh ok sorry man, yeah I didn't listen to the Pulp ep haha

There's nothing wrong with being proud of your country and flying your flag, but flying another country's flag?

I don't think it's really a big deal and I don't think anyone would have really thought it was trying to create a divide between fans until Steve brought it up.... But the one thing I do find amusing though is that everyone seems to be so much more lenient on Haiden being a 17 year old kid and doing teenage kid things then they were when Jett was winning championships as a 17 year old saying he had to be better in press conferences, he needs to be more respectful to his competitors etc etc... So maybe Haiden just needs to mature a bit and stop dropping comments for Youtube clicks

Aren't you guys giving Steve shit here jumping a bit prematurely.

He also said he didn't mind the crowd chanting USA. What he's worried about is that this is often just the start, where does it go after a year of the Deegans stoking up the USA v Australia or others rhetoric?

Are the crowd still simply chanting USA or have they now progressed towards booing the Lawrences, calling them names, attacking them on Social Media or even to their face from the crowd....

It's the progression he is talking about. Once you start down that track, how do you reign it in?

I totally agree with him, Patriotism is fine and welcome, Nationalism and what that often entails ....usually not.

Historically "Nationalism" doesn't often end well.

I also agree that the Deegans could operate with a bit more class, in playing the man and not the Nationality.

I don't think that perspective is "woke" or "Libtard" or whatever else you " 'Mericans" use to justify yourselves but hey vote away .

I had the pleasure of representing the USA at the 2002 ISDE in the Czech republic. This was the year after 911. At this time, the Czech Republic had only been a non-communist country 12 years. The opening ceremony is very similar to the Olympics. Each country alphabetically enters the stadium. We didn’t know what to expect being only a year removed from 911. The ovation the US team Received was truly incredible. Something I will never forget, it was a very proud day for me.

I just watched Deegans video and this is what he was staring at when he was giving his podium interview, maybe he said what he said because those guys were waving an Australian flag right in front of him and he got sidetracked. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.

If you go all the way from Australia to support a handful of Australians (or 3 or whatever) in competition in another country, having a flag is solely to show support to your guys, nothing sinister.

Sidenote, in the UK we know the government sucks whoever is in charge, I've never seen or heard of anyone in day to day life even know or give the slightest fuck about who anyone votes for. It's us Vs the government for the most part, whatever party's name is on it 😂 You folks keep being so divided, you're making life easier for the Chinese and Russians who want you to fail, and none of us here or there want that! 👍

America has done well to have probably the premier MX series in the world, with competitors from all over like British Touring Cars or British Superbike for a time, welcome the international competition like most of you/us do and huck the bad apples at a wall or something.