As a former WSX hater..

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It’s time for the American fans (I’m American) to grow up and stop with all the hate. 
 

Worked at a WSX round for the first time this weekend, event was ran well, races were exciting and everyone working it was a bunch of good dudes. WSX is single handedly responsible for putting more money in the American series, if it wasn’t for them the ama wouldn’t have upped the pay in the series putting more money in our riders pockets. 
 

All the hate is the reason why the sport doesn’t grow, stop being gate keepers and start appreciating that we have more good racing instead of less 

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Reading through any WSX thread here unfortunately illustrates some the worst traits of humanity.

I know you can’t generalise that much and it’s not all, but the negative comments regularly reflect the common international image of Americans as loud, self-absorbed, arrogant and ignorant. It’s a pity, particularly some individuals seem to lack the ability to see themselves and their attitudes as others from outside their circle see them. Passion and patriotism is one thing, however this goes way beyond that. Maybe it’s merely a bravado facade, however empathy looks to be an alien concept to some.

Now getting back to the very basics; no one country or series owns any rider. They’re effectively guns for hire and when out of contract, are free to go wherever they please. If that threatens your delicate ego, then that’s on you.

Back to WSX, was it perfect? No. Name a series that is. Was it entertaining? Hell yes. Does it provide additional opportunity to professional riders? Yes. How is that a bad thing…..

Despite the pathetic regular displays of fear and loathing here. I’ll continue to enjoy all moto series for the individual attributes on offer, while that sad group wallows in their self-induced negativity.

Bring on the gate drops, wherever they may be!

 

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Its the same guys in every thread shit talking wsx. The same guys who claim to hate it can't stop themselves from clicking on threads about it. They contradict themselves too. I wouldn't let the same few miserable posters make you think every American hates wsx. Just give it a few and they'll show up in here too even tho they hate it. 

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I’m not a hater more racing the better. But I just started watching it right now and the gate not dropping on the very first race was comical haha

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Competition is good for everyone in the marketplace accept those who control the monopoly. Funny how Feld & Mx sports found more $ for the purses….

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Agree. but although I do not hate them, they do seem to try a bit too hard...borderline cheezzzzy.

My biggest criticism is the logo, fonts, etc... the branding seems off. When I show it to non moto friends, they think it is a company doing blockchain scam stuff. The animated graphics are horrible. Whoever graphics company did this, yes, I am shitting on your work and on who made the decisions. 

I like Jeff and Ralph in there, the racing is good. the camera rapid slowmo replay is crisp and neat. I would like to have more races.

Remember back in the days we had the Mastercross races? awesome stuff yet mostly unknown, where GP champ Albee would duke McGrath etc, hybrid Sx/MX.. Yet today's world has the opportunity to reach a broader audience and yet ... the internet seems to have allowed half the fans to bitch and hate on shit anytime anywhere. Just like I do. 

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7/2/2023 6:12pm Edited Date/Time 7/2/2023 9:07pm

I paid for the tv package and i am trying to give it a chance. Its typical anerica when you start to criticize it everyone says you're a hater. Its ok to be critical of these guys being they sold it as an event that will rival the best. They are trying. Am i a fan. Not really. Am i happy for the riders getting another option to make money. yes. Do i see this being a success. No. 

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ANYTHING that puts our sport in front of more people is OK with me!

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I can’t wait to watch another rockzen/ Vince battle. Just kiddin.  RESDDDDDDDDDDBUDDDDDDDD. MERICA 🇺🇸

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Agree. but although I do not hate them, they do seem to try a bit too hard...borderline cheezzzzy. My biggest criticism is the logo, fonts, etc...

Agree. but although I do not hate them, they do seem to try a bit too hard...borderline cheezzzzy.

My biggest criticism is the logo, fonts, etc... the branding seems off. When I show it to non moto friends, they think it is a company doing blockchain scam stuff. The animated graphics are horrible. Whoever graphics company did this, yes, I am shitting on your work and on who made the decisions. 

I like Jeff and Ralph in there, the racing is good. the camera rapid slowmo replay is crisp and neat. I would like to have more races.

Remember back in the days we had the Mastercross races? awesome stuff yet mostly unknown, where GP champ Albee would duke McGrath etc, hybrid Sx/MX.. Yet today's world has the opportunity to reach a broader audience and yet ... the internet seems to have allowed half the fans to bitch and hate on shit anytime anywhere. Just like I do. 

You hate the series because of the video graphics?

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For me WSX was the most exciting this weekend. Close battle with Red Bud and far better than the MXGP

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........because we needed yet another thread on this topic.

 

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Agree. but although I do not hate them, they do seem to try a bit too hard...borderline cheezzzzy. My biggest criticism is the logo, fonts, etc...

Agree. but although I do not hate them, they do seem to try a bit too hard...borderline cheezzzzy.

My biggest criticism is the logo, fonts, etc... the branding seems off. When I show it to non moto friends, they think it is a company doing blockchain scam stuff. The animated graphics are horrible. Whoever graphics company did this, yes, I am shitting on your work and on who made the decisions. 

I like Jeff and Ralph in there, the racing is good. the camera rapid slowmo replay is crisp and neat. I would like to have more races.

Remember back in the days we had the Mastercross races? awesome stuff yet mostly unknown, where GP champ Albee would duke McGrath etc, hybrid Sx/MX.. Yet today's world has the opportunity to reach a broader audience and yet ... the internet seems to have allowed half the fans to bitch and hate on shit anytime anywhere. Just like I do. 

MX45 wrote:
You hate the series because of the video graphics?

You hate the series because of the video graphics?

I criticize them, but won't hate the series and WILL watch the racing. But I will SHIT on the graphics and all the f*ckers who are responsible.

They are offending me, bro. Smearing SHIT on the cool stuff I like. I bet you whoever did these is not CORE.

It's just my opinion. 

Just look at how branding is done around the world. Pro Circuit bikes back in the day, MXGP branding , PGA branding... F1 branding.. look at the Logo and colors.  You probably don't notice it, but everytime you stop at a gas station... the logo, the colors.. you recognize it. Shell, Chevron, Coke... Pepsi...

If you make an effort to start something new and fun... come on.

Do you remember the logo and colors of MXGP before Luongo took it? 

 

I secretly wish they could find a European Jerry Bernado and stir some entertainment on the paddock Laughing

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CPR wrote:
Reading through any WSX thread here unfortunately illustrates some the worst traits of humanity. I know you can’t generalise that much and it’s not all, but...

Reading through any WSX thread here unfortunately illustrates some the worst traits of humanity.

I know you can’t generalise that much and it’s not all, but the negative comments regularly reflect the common international image of Americans as loud, self-absorbed, arrogant and ignorant. It’s a pity, particularly some individuals seem to lack the ability to see themselves and their attitudes as others from outside their circle see them. Passion and patriotism is one thing, however this goes way beyond that. Maybe it’s merely a bravado facade, however empathy looks to be an alien concept to some.

Now getting back to the very basics; no one country or series owns any rider. They’re effectively guns for hire and when out of contract, are free to go wherever they please. If that threatens your delicate ego, then that’s on you.

Back to WSX, was it perfect? No. Name a series that is. Was it entertaining? Hell yes. Does it provide additional opportunity to professional riders? Yes. How is that a bad thing…..

Despite the pathetic regular displays of fear and loathing here. I’ll continue to enjoy all moto series for the individual attributes on offer, while that sad group wallows in their self-induced negativity.

Bring on the gate drops, wherever they may be!

 

It dilutes the talent pool. How is that hard to understand? Our sport is too small to have 3 top level championships running at the same time. 

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CPR wrote:
Reading through any WSX thread here unfortunately illustrates some the worst traits of humanity. I know you can’t generalise that much and it’s not all, but...

Reading through any WSX thread here unfortunately illustrates some the worst traits of humanity.

I know you can’t generalise that much and it’s not all, but the negative comments regularly reflect the common international image of Americans as loud, self-absorbed, arrogant and ignorant. It’s a pity, particularly some individuals seem to lack the ability to see themselves and their attitudes as others from outside their circle see them. Passion and patriotism is one thing, however this goes way beyond that. Maybe it’s merely a bravado facade, however empathy looks to be an alien concept to some.

Now getting back to the very basics; no one country or series owns any rider. They’re effectively guns for hire and when out of contract, are free to go wherever they please. If that threatens your delicate ego, then that’s on you.

Back to WSX, was it perfect? No. Name a series that is. Was it entertaining? Hell yes. Does it provide additional opportunity to professional riders? Yes. How is that a bad thing…..

Despite the pathetic regular displays of fear and loathing here. I’ll continue to enjoy all moto series for the individual attributes on offer, while that sad group wallows in their self-induced negativity.

Bring on the gate drops, wherever they may be!

 

Agree but it is sportsentertainment, people like to root for a team and shit on another.

Notice the WSX hate on the forums has taken the spotlight away from MXGP bashing , Herlings bashing, Dirty Barcia Bashing...

It's cyclical. Guess what will be next. 

 Am afraid WSX will get mocked by American fans for a while, just like Motocross Action ( Weasel?) called World Champ David Thorpe " the fastest amateur racer of the planet " . Ouch... Americans forgot or did not like how he whooped them in 85. They will bring up the 86 MXDN forever, disregard what really happened... but sure Johnny O smashed many world champ that day. Not a word when lil' Prado passed Tomac, Remember that Nation? if you do there are all kinds of excuses. Oh boy, I opened a can of worm here...

You cannot win with these arguments of trying to reason folks with WSX. It's just the sports mentality of a team vs another. If an American racer goes around waxing them all they might pay attention. 

Many are feeling threatened. the feeling is real.  "It is taking away the riders they want in their series. It is diluting the talent pool. it is potentially creating injuries for riders who have more important races to go to"...

As fans they will voice their opinions which is fine, and go on harrassing, mocking, bullying us WSX fans. We will get nice turds on our posts. I know it's childish. But deal with it. It's just like high school football locker room before kids had cellphones. You might not have a good time innit.

Sorry Mate, I just realized you are down under, I thought you were a Limmey.. Laughing Apologies, not sure the Thorpe reference resonates with ya 

For now I'll enjoy the good racing I can find, under all that cheese. I sincerely hope the WSX series prevail.

 

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CPR wrote:
Reading through any WSX thread here unfortunately illustrates some the worst traits of humanity. I know you can’t generalise that much and it’s not all, but...

Reading through any WSX thread here unfortunately illustrates some the worst traits of humanity.

I know you can’t generalise that much and it’s not all, but the negative comments regularly reflect the common international image of Americans as loud, self-absorbed, arrogant and ignorant. It’s a pity, particularly some individuals seem to lack the ability to see themselves and their attitudes as others from outside their circle see them. Passion and patriotism is one thing, however this goes way beyond that. Maybe it’s merely a bravado facade, however empathy looks to be an alien concept to some.

Now getting back to the very basics; no one country or series owns any rider. They’re effectively guns for hire and when out of contract, are free to go wherever they please. If that threatens your delicate ego, then that’s on you.

Back to WSX, was it perfect? No. Name a series that is. Was it entertaining? Hell yes. Does it provide additional opportunity to professional riders? Yes. How is that a bad thing…..

Despite the pathetic regular displays of fear and loathing here. I’ll continue to enjoy all moto series for the individual attributes on offer, while that sad group wallows in their self-induced negativity.

Bring on the gate drops, wherever they may be!

 

Agree but it is sportsentertainment, people like to root for a team and shit on another. Notice the WSX hate on the forums has taken the...

Agree but it is sportsentertainment, people like to root for a team and shit on another.

Notice the WSX hate on the forums has taken the spotlight away from MXGP bashing , Herlings bashing, Dirty Barcia Bashing...

It's cyclical. Guess what will be next. 

 Am afraid WSX will get mocked by American fans for a while, just like Motocross Action ( Weasel?) called World Champ David Thorpe " the fastest amateur racer of the planet " . Ouch... Americans forgot or did not like how he whooped them in 85. They will bring up the 86 MXDN forever, disregard what really happened... but sure Johnny O smashed many world champ that day. Not a word when lil' Prado passed Tomac, Remember that Nation? if you do there are all kinds of excuses. Oh boy, I opened a can of worm here...

You cannot win with these arguments of trying to reason folks with WSX. It's just the sports mentality of a team vs another. If an American racer goes around waxing them all they might pay attention. 

Many are feeling threatened. the feeling is real.  "It is taking away the riders they want in their series. It is diluting the talent pool. it is potentially creating injuries for riders who have more important races to go to"...

As fans they will voice their opinions which is fine, and go on harrassing, mocking, bullying us WSX fans. We will get nice turds on our posts. I know it's childish. But deal with it. It's just like high school football locker room before kids had cellphones. You might not have a good time innit.

Sorry Mate, I just realized you are down under, I thought you were a Limmey.. Laughing Apologies, not sure the Thorpe reference resonates with ya 

For now I'll enjoy the good racing I can find, under all that cheese. I sincerely hope the WSX series prevail.

 

Ha you make some good points that many won’t like, but don’t worry their pathetic carryon doesn’t upset me at all. In fact it’s quite entertaining at times. Just a shame they can’t seem to open their narrow minds a little bit.

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Yikes just watched the race back, broadcast us pretty bad 😂

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i just hope the riders grab the money while it lasts.

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731chopper wrote:
It dilutes the talent pool. How is that hard to understand? Our sport is too small to have 3 top level championships running at the same...

It dilutes the talent pool. How is that hard to understand? Our sport is too small to have 3 top level championships running at the same time. 

Are you in favour of forcing the riders to race in your preferred series, or for them to have a choice?

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7/3/2023 12:18am Edited Date/Time 7/3/2023 12:22am

Everyone says wants to grow the sport but hate when they see growing the sport, WSX is growing the sport, Lawrence brothers are growing the sport, Deegan is growing the sport.

Deegan one has me mystified, I've seen people comment about "his shit fans" Deegan isn't bringing in old fans to the sport he's bringing in people who haven't encounter our great sport before, a lot of his fans are under 18 and there is A LOT of them, what the fuck is there to hate here? And Deegan aside he literally ticks all the boxes that you American fans want, he's all American, he is patriotic, he works as hard as anyone, he has grit and heart and now he's the first American to podium for the year, seriously get over your petty insecurities and support the people who are making a difference.

Then I see shit talking about how theres too much Jett coverage, the commentators explaining things for noobs etc, if you have been watching the sport for over 10 years chances are you are not going to stop watching so they are not marketing the sport for you they already have you, they are marketing the sport to people who have never seen it before.

If you don't like growth in the sport you're just a insecure bitter hater who doesn't want the sport to grow plain and simple, you should be grateful that WSX stepped into the ring because without them AMA would continue the same shit effort they have put in for over a decade.

RC, James, McGrath is over they ain't coming back.

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Agree. but although I do not hate them, they do seem to try a bit too hard...borderline cheezzzzy. My biggest criticism is the logo, fonts, etc...

Agree. but although I do not hate them, they do seem to try a bit too hard...borderline cheezzzzy.

My biggest criticism is the logo, fonts, etc... the branding seems off. When I show it to non moto friends, they think it is a company doing blockchain scam stuff. The animated graphics are horrible. Whoever graphics company did this, yes, I am shitting on your work and on who made the decisions. 

I like Jeff and Ralph in there, the racing is good. the camera rapid slowmo replay is crisp and neat. I would like to have more races.

Remember back in the days we had the Mastercross races? awesome stuff yet mostly unknown, where GP champ Albee would duke McGrath etc, hybrid Sx/MX.. Yet today's world has the opportunity to reach a broader audience and yet ... the internet seems to have allowed half the fans to bitch and hate on shit anytime anywhere. Just like I do. 

The logos and branding seems off? What like supermoto cross? At least they don't have animated logos on the track. Monster energy supercross bought to you by monster energy sponsored by monster energy 

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WSX is a good thing for everyone, there are however a few issues from a fans point of view.

My biggest gripe is Ralph and Fro. Yes this is subjective and maybe a bit petty. But they as a duo are just outdated and heavily linked to old US SX. There is nothing fresh with these two in the booth, quite the opposite. WSX should scream "freshness" and it just doesn't when i hear these two guys.

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Man,theses WSX threads are worse than AMA vs MXGP.Pinch

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Motofinne wrote:
WSX is a good thing for everyone, there are however a few issues from a fans point of view. My biggest gripe is Ralph and Fro...

WSX is a good thing for everyone, there are however a few issues from a fans point of view.

My biggest gripe is Ralph and Fro. Yes this is subjective and maybe a bit petty. But they as a duo are just outdated and heavily linked to old US SX. There is nothing fresh with these two in the booth, quite the opposite. WSX should scream "freshness" and it just doesn't when i hear these two guys.

'Scream freshness'?

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CPR wrote:
Reading through any WSX thread here unfortunately illustrates some the worst traits of humanity. I know you can’t generalise that much and it’s not all, but...

Reading through any WSX thread here unfortunately illustrates some the worst traits of humanity.

I know you can’t generalise that much and it’s not all, but the negative comments regularly reflect the common international image of Americans as loud, self-absorbed, arrogant and ignorant. It’s a pity, particularly some individuals seem to lack the ability to see themselves and their attitudes as others from outside their circle see them. Passion and patriotism is one thing, however this goes way beyond that. Maybe it’s merely a bravado facade, however empathy looks to be an alien concept to some.

Now getting back to the very basics; no one country or series owns any rider. They’re effectively guns for hire and when out of contract, are free to go wherever they please. If that threatens your delicate ego, then that’s on you.

Back to WSX, was it perfect? No. Name a series that is. Was it entertaining? Hell yes. Does it provide additional opportunity to professional riders? Yes. How is that a bad thing…..

Despite the pathetic regular displays of fear and loathing here. I’ll continue to enjoy all moto series for the individual attributes on offer, while that sad group wallows in their self-induced negativity.

Bring on the gate drops, wherever they may be!

 

731chopper wrote:
It dilutes the talent pool. How is that hard to understand? Our sport is too small to have 3 top level championships running at the same...

It dilutes the talent pool. How is that hard to understand? Our sport is too small to have 3 top level championships running at the same time. 

BUT

WHAT

IF 

IT

GROWS

THE 

SPORT

 

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"If you don't like growth in the sport you're just a insecure bitter hater"

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Motofinne wrote:
WSX is a good thing for everyone, there are however a few issues from a fans point of view. My biggest gripe is Ralph and Fro...

WSX is a good thing for everyone, there are however a few issues from a fans point of view.

My biggest gripe is Ralph and Fro. Yes this is subjective and maybe a bit petty. But they as a duo are just outdated and heavily linked to old US SX. There is nothing fresh with these two in the booth, quite the opposite. WSX should scream "freshness" and it just doesn't when i hear these two guys.

Goldmember wrote:

'Scream freshness'?

Well sorry, English is not my native language. I don't know how to put it other than that. WSX is a new concept so the voices of the series should also be fresh and not recycled well past their prime Ralph and Jeff.

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Should have brought in the 2 Canadian announcers from a few years ago….” Holeshotttttttt” they were good! Sadly I can’t find the Canadian Nat”s on TV anymore…. Do they still race in Canada? Maybe they are all trying to put out the fires out that are ruining my air quality? 

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7/3/2023 3:42am

Haha people on here like “the broadcast sux and I don’t like the logos” You must prefer to watch this awesome broadcast below 👍

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Jokes aside, twice as much racing to watch on the weekend is awesome!

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Goldmember wrote:

Are you in favour of forcing the riders to race in your preferred series, or for them to have a choice?

I’m a fan of racing and I want to see the best in the world racing each other. It’s bad enough that we already have the division for outdoor motocross between AMA and MXGP. Now some people want to split it even further so they might get a chance one year to see a supercross race in person? It’s ridiculous. 

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I don't care for it. Too much hype and not enough racing. I like to see Kenny win but the KR Show will get boring fast.

I keep hearing starts are the most dangerous part of the race. Why do we keep adding more starts to racing? Coffee breaks next?

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