Did Roczen expose Jett’s “Next Level”?

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6/19/2023 4:01am
Mikeh0870 wrote:
Deegan is still being shoved down our throat.... can you imagine the hate comms if Jett was shown graduating High School on the broadcast c'mon that...

Deegan is still being shoved down our throat.... can you imagine the hate comms if Jett was shown graduating High School on the broadcast c'mon that was ridiculous.

Every Jett hater has always said Oh lets wait and see until he's actually in the 450's with the big boys that'll sort him out... now he's in the 450's and is undefeated, now its the 450 competition is not strong enough.  There's really 2 top guys missing Chase and Eli both of which he has beaten on 450's.  How many more times does he have to prove himself ?  And lets not forget he's only 19 ( Nearly 20 ) for those that will jump on that which is still damn impressive

 

I have zero dislike for the kid.

But the cap and gown thing was beyond bizarre.

 

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I loved it when the announcers were talking about how Jett wasn't even trying, just coasting, something looks off, and then all of a sudden he's gaining over a second every lap on the leader. Next thing you know he catches and passes Roczen and takes the win. 

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I agree, Kenny is in killer shape right now. And I wish they'd have shown more of him riding. His style is low revving and smooth...

I agree, Kenny is in killer shape right now.

And I wish they'd have shown more of him riding.

His style is low revving and smooth, just like Jett's.

 

But I also think Jett was just playing the game yesterday.

When it was time, he just slowly ate away the time gap, without even looking stressed.

Agreed. I’d also throw in that Jett didn’t have to beat Kenny other than for pride, and still did. 

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I don't trust my eyes that tell me Jett is coasting, standing up around a long sweeping corner and he's 2 seconds a lap faster than...

I don't trust my eyes that tell me Jett is coasting, standing up around a long sweeping corner and he's 2 seconds a lap faster than the field. Make it make sense! Can't wait to see him indoors. He has historically been prone to more mistakes in sx

IWreckALot wrote:
Some of you guys are insufferable with your hate for Jett.    Deegan was shoved down our throats all of sx and he gets a lot...

Some of you guys are insufferable with your hate for Jett. 
 

Deegan was shoved down our throats all of sx and he gets a lot of coverage for having a MX famous last name. 
 

Pretty cool you’re cheering for Jett to struggle. But your memory is failing you. He didn’t seem to struggle in sx as much as you seem to recall. 

Mikeh0870 wrote:
Deegan is still being shoved down our throat.... can you imagine the hate comms if Jett was shown graduating High School on the broadcast c'mon that...

Deegan is still being shoved down our throat.... can you imagine the hate comms if Jett was shown graduating High School on the broadcast c'mon that was ridiculous.

Every Jett hater has always said Oh lets wait and see until he's actually in the 450's with the big boys that'll sort him out... now he's in the 450's and is undefeated, now its the 450 competition is not strong enough.  There's really 2 top guys missing Chase and Eli both of which he has beaten on 450's.  How many more times does he have to prove himself ?  And lets not forget he's only 19 ( Nearly 20 ) for those that will jump on that which is still damn impressive

 

To be fair, moving the goalposts to suit one’s personal biases seems to be annoying popular in many facets of life these days, not just mx…

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6/19/2023 6:28am
To be not so next level? Came off the couch, had the fastest lap times in practice and the 2nd moto. Jett is very good and...

To be not so next level? Came off the couch, had the fastest lap times in practice and the 2nd moto.

Jett is very good and will only get better, but geez, they are shoving this next level generational talent down our throats. Like I said in another post, he reminds me of Kdub without an RC. Time will tell if anyone steps up to be Jett’s RC.

Finally some people are waking up! I keep getting attacked by all the Jett fanboys on here when I mention Jett is getting a gift because 5 top guys are out. All it took was a half retired former Champ to come OFF THE COUCH and put down faster laps, chase Jett down and make him crash easily. Then once Roczen gets passed, he passes Jett back. Which, according to the fanboys, "no one can pass Jett back." The results don't show it, but Kenny just put a giant dent in the atmosphere of Jett's "dominance".

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Jett is generational.  Jett ain't near RC tho.  RC can be humble on TV and say Jett can break his record s. But I see Jett...

Jett is generational.  Jett ain't near RC tho.  RC can be humble on TV and say Jett can break his record s. But I see Jett becoming  as good as RV, RD , ET, K roc .  Prime RC was 30 second ahead he was just that good outdoor s. 

2 Riders you mentioned in your list are better than RC.

Put the pipe down. Saying two riders are better then RC is far worse then saying the earth is flat. 

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To be not so next level? Came off the couch, had the fastest lap times in practice and the 2nd moto. Jett is very good and...

To be not so next level? Came off the couch, had the fastest lap times in practice and the 2nd moto.

Jett is very good and will only get better, but geez, they are shoving this next level generational talent down our throats. Like I said in another post, he reminds me of Kdub without an RC. Time will tell if anyone steps up to be Jett’s RC.

Rosso391 wrote:
Finally some people are waking up! I keep getting attacked by all the Jett fanboys on here when I mention Jett is getting a gift because...

Finally some people are waking up! I keep getting attacked by all the Jett fanboys on here when I mention Jett is getting a gift because 5 top guys are out. All it took was a half retired former Champ to come OFF THE COUCH and put down faster laps, chase Jett down and make him crash easily. Then once Roczen gets passed, he passes Jett back. Which, according to the fanboys, "no one can pass Jett back." The results don't show it, but Kenny just put a giant dent in the atmosphere of Jett's "dominance".

It's always been this way. Any time a new rider comes on the scene, and is very successful...especially against the "establishment", the fanboy wagon loads up quick! And, just like the uber-politicized world we live in today...there is no more "agree to disagree" at all. If you disagree with the new rider being just a bump away from Jesus himself, you are attacked. And it will continue until the "new guy" gets beaten by a mere mortal, or the next "new guy" comes up.

And so it goes, and so it goes...

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To be not so next level? Came off the couch, had the fastest lap times in practice and the 2nd moto. Jett is very good and...

To be not so next level? Came off the couch, had the fastest lap times in practice and the 2nd moto.

Jett is very good and will only get better, but geez, they are shoving this next level generational talent down our throats. Like I said in another post, he reminds me of Kdub without an RC. Time will tell if anyone steps up to be Jett’s RC.

Rosso391 wrote:
Finally some people are waking up! I keep getting attacked by all the Jett fanboys on here when I mention Jett is getting a gift because...

Finally some people are waking up! I keep getting attacked by all the Jett fanboys on here when I mention Jett is getting a gift because 5 top guys are out. All it took was a half retired former Champ to come OFF THE COUCH and put down faster laps, chase Jett down and make him crash easily. Then once Roczen gets passed, he passes Jett back. Which, according to the fanboys, "no one can pass Jett back." The results don't show it, but Kenny just put a giant dent in the atmosphere of Jett's "dominance".

Yet the scoreboard shows 8-0....

 

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Jett is generational.  Jett ain't near RC tho.  RC can be humble on TV and say Jett can break his record s. But I see Jett...

Jett is generational.  Jett ain't near RC tho.  RC can be humble on TV and say Jett can break his record s. But I see Jett becoming  as good as RV, RD , ET, K roc .  Prime RC was 30 second ahead he was just that good outdoor s. 

2 Riders you mentioned in your list are better than RC.

Which 2 riders?  Maybe  in some segment they have better numbers ( Eli having more SX main wins). But RC has way more total wins than anybody. 

6/19/2023 8:36am

RC said he has the talent to break all the records. Not he will.

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6/19/2023 8:45am Edited Date/Time 6/19/2023 8:49am

People don't trust their eyes do they.

I don't trust my eyes that tell me Jett is coasting, standing up around a long sweeping corner and he's 2 seconds a lap faster than...

I don't trust my eyes that tell me Jett is coasting, standing up around a long sweeping corner and he's 2 seconds a lap faster than the field. Make it make sense! Can't wait to see him indoors. He has historically been prone to more mistakes in sx

IWreckALot wrote:
Some of you guys are insufferable with your hate for Jett.    Deegan was shoved down our throats all of sx and he gets a lot...

Some of you guys are insufferable with your hate for Jett. 
 

Deegan was shoved down our throats all of sx and he gets a lot of coverage for having a MX famous last name. 
 

Pretty cool you’re cheering for Jett to struggle. But your memory is failing you. He didn’t seem to struggle in sx as much as you seem to recall. 

I see that reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. Where's the Jett hate? He's had a much easier time in mx than sx. Ask Austin Forkner if my memory is failing me. Is my memory failing me that he broke his collarbone his first sx season? Did you get your HS diploma online like Deegan? 

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6/19/2023 8:56am Edited Date/Time 6/19/2023 9:00am

I'm not saying it's gonna happen, but! if Jett Lawrence has a perfect season in his rookie year in the 450 class some people are going to lose their minds with excuses.  Jett destroyed the 250 class against some extremely good riders and now he's destroying the 450 class against seasoned veterans.  Had Eli Tomac and Chase Sexton been racing Ricky Carmichael and James Stewart when they had their perfect seasons, I have doubts they would have gone 24-0, but they get all the accolades for that accomplishment.  If Jett goes perfect, it's just as much or even more of an accomplishment, because he did it in his first year and is probably going to be looked upon as the most dominant rookie rider in AMA history. 

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6/19/2023 9:44am

RC said he has the talent to break all the records. Not he will.

Yes and doing so well at such a young age gives him a pretty good shot at it.   He might not be doing something as groundbreakingly new as JS with his scrub or MC with staying low. But the way he can often be so perfect when he rides makes him just as fun to watch ,for me anyway. The way he catches the downsides and is on the gas driving down the landings is something that he is doing that I have not noticed others doing it as well.  

It was amazing to go to races and watch James and RC ride at levels that made the rest of the class look like a different class.Even though the battle or lack of battle's for the lead might become a common thing in the 450 class this summer, It will still be fun to watch Jett ride like he is in his own class , if he keeps on winning and making it look easy. 

 

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RC said he has the talent to break all the records. Not he will.

Yes and doing so well at such a young age gives him a pretty good shot at it.   He might not be doing something as groundbreakingly...

Yes and doing so well at such a young age gives him a pretty good shot at it.   He might not be doing something as groundbreakingly new as JS with his scrub or MC with staying low. But the way he can often be so perfect when he rides makes him just as fun to watch ,for me anyway. The way he catches the downsides and is on the gas driving down the landings is something that he is doing that I have not noticed others doing it as well.  

It was amazing to go to races and watch James and RC ride at levels that made the rest of the class look like a different class.Even though the battle or lack of battle's for the lead might become a common thing in the 450 class this summer, It will still be fun to watch Jett ride like he is in his own class , if he keeps on winning and making it look easy. 

 

I don't think Ricky Carmichael or James Stewart would have had perfect seasons, had Jett Lawrence been racing against them at the time.   Jett has shown that he's at a different level than everyone else, his 90% smooth and in control speed is everyone else's 100% ragged edge on the brink of disaster speed.  It's as if he can turn it up a notch and gap the field instantly at random when he needs it and then cruise around effortlessly for the rest of the race in the lead.  He's looking like he might be the most naturally gifted SX and MX rider ever.   Amazing talent. 

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6/19/2023 10:26am

I think it’s the opposite 

roczen just exposed this weekend he’s maybe not next level just the field is weak? 
 

JT said including practice he fell about 4-5 that’s not next level. 

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The only time I hear about Jett being a 'generational talent' is in posts that say it's silly to refer to him as being a generational talent..

Also his dominance is the only interesting thing in the 450's at the moment and you don't want the producers to talk about it? haha Sure they could talk about the lack of depth and how much 'easier' it is this year for him but people will stop tuning in.. If you're annoyed by his storyline I've got news for you, it's not going away anytime soon

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6/19/2023 5:14pm
I’m not saying Jett is not good or won’t be great, but in my eyes he hasn’t done anything “next level” or generational yet, like a...

I’m not saying Jett is not good or won’t be great, but in my eyes he hasn’t done anything “next level” or generational yet, like a MC, RC, JS, RV, ET. 
Geezus, RC said in the broadcast yesterday that’s Jett will break all the records, even his! The kid hasn’t even lined up for a 450 SX yet! But he’s going to break all the records! Okay 👌🏼 

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Of course he hasn’t broken many records yet but we won’t know until the end of his career. He has won four 250F titles in a...

Of course he hasn’t broken many records yet but we won’t know until the end of his career.

He has won four 250F titles in a row which I believe hasn’t been done before.  Yesterday he also equaled David Bailey’s record for most consecutive moto wins from the start of a premier class career (8).  
 

He’s also well on his way to winning the 450 title in his rookie year.  There can’t be many to do that; without checking through the books only RC and Dungey come mind in more recent times so if he achieves that he’s in good company.

He also went the deepest into the season with laps lead. 3rd race in, already in the record books.

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6/19/2023 5:17pm
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Chase and Eli (hope he comes back). Who else is missing? Anderson?

How about Mookie and Craig? Barcia?

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6/19/2023 5:21pm
Keyword buddy “opportunity” meaning he hasn’t broke any records yet! Dumbass 😜 He didn’t break any records his rookie year, didn’t break any records his 250/lites...

Keyword buddy “opportunity” meaning he hasn’t broke any records yet! Dumbass 😜

He didn’t break any records his rookie year, didn’t break any records his 250/lites career, way behind RC JS RV on wins. 

And here’s comes 250/lites wins and titles don’t count. Lmao

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Have you ever heard RC say that about anybody, ever? No? I suppose you think you’re a better observer and predictor of talent and capabilities than...

Have you ever heard RC say that about anybody, ever? No?

I suppose you think you’re a better observer and predictor of talent and capabilities than RC 

FOH

Haha, Yes I agree with RC, everybody has the “opportunity” at age 20. RC and MC said on Pulp about a year ago that they thought...

Haha, Yes I agree with RC, everybody has the “opportunity” at age 20. RC and MC said on Pulp about a year ago that they thought James would’ve broke all the records, guess what, he didn’t! 

 

It ain't just RC. Listen to JS7. Why does it bother you that this kid is so good? Seems everyone sees it but you.

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To be not so next level? Came off the couch, had the fastest lap times in practice and the 2nd moto. Jett is very good and...

To be not so next level? Came off the couch, had the fastest lap times in practice and the 2nd moto.

Jett is very good and will only get better, but geez, they are shoving this next level generational talent down our throats. Like I said in another post, he reminds me of Kdub without an RC. Time will tell if anyone steps up to be Jett’s RC.

Rosso391 wrote:
Finally some people are waking up! I keep getting attacked by all the Jett fanboys on here when I mention Jett is getting a gift because...

Finally some people are waking up! I keep getting attacked by all the Jett fanboys on here when I mention Jett is getting a gift because 5 top guys are out. All it took was a half retired former Champ to come OFF THE COUCH and put down faster laps, chase Jett down and make him crash easily. Then once Roczen gets passed, he passes Jett back. Which, according to the fanboys, "no one can pass Jett back." The results don't show it, but Kenny just put a giant dent in the atmosphere of Jett's "dominance".

Remember when the fully retired dunge came of the couch after 5 years and beat lord tomac 1st moto last year.

I love the off the couch comments for Kenny. He missed 3 races. And was training for wsx in that time. And Kenny always comes out swinging and fades off. Look at last year's mx results. 

Maybe that ride from Kenny would have got him a win last year. Maybe a 5th. Kenny is normally good in deep long ruts.

But guess what. We will never know coz those riders are out injured. And it doesn't matter if your the fmotp you cannot win injured.

But I feel like we will have to get used to it. Coz tomac retires. In mx that leaves chase vs jett for the next few years. If 1 gets injured it could be multiple boring years.

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Jett has had rhythm with all movements since baby days, I watched Bubba and the Goat and most other 250 winners crash the 450 hard when...

Jett has had rhythm with all movements since baby days, I watched Bubba and the Goat and most other 250 winners crash the 450 hard when stepping up, Dungey was the only recent champ who hasn’t, for Jet to win MXoN at 18 in his first ever 450 moto and then win his next 8 motos in a row at AMA level while still a teenager is the most impressive start to 450 mx I have seen in my 60yrs of living the the sport. His big success is close family, technique and flow and unless something changes I feel his success will continue. 

I'd like to add coaching. Someone has found a way to teach him patience. That he only needs to go fast enough to win. I don't think enough riders know how to manage riding up front. Yes, there are some days you are just unstoppable but over the course of a season you just have to ride smart. I believe that while it's a huge ego boost to decimate the field, it's disrespectful to your team to take the added risk just for your own ego. There are also some days you also have to give up the win for the big picture. That's really hard to do for a young rider.

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brimx153 wrote:
Jett is generational.  Jett ain't near RC tho.  RC can be humble on TV and say Jett can break his record s. But I see Jett...

Jett is generational.  Jett ain't near RC tho.  RC can be humble on TV and say Jett can break his record s. But I see Jett becoming  as good as RV, RD , ET, K roc .  Prime RC was 30 second ahead he was just that good outdoor s. 

2 Riders you mentioned in your list are better than RC.

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Put the pipe down. Saying two riders are better then RC is far worse then saying the earth is flat. 

You're right, Dungey is better than JS7.

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To be not so next level? Came off the couch, had the fastest lap times in practice and the 2nd moto. Jett is very good and...

To be not so next level? Came off the couch, had the fastest lap times in practice and the 2nd moto.

Jett is very good and will only get better, but geez, they are shoving this next level generational talent down our throats. Like I said in another post, he reminds me of Kdub without an RC. Time will tell if anyone steps up to be Jett’s RC.

People are delusional for no reason other than to hate. Personalities aside both Lawrences, Deegan and Sexton are all "next level." I enjoyed seeing Jett in a position where he needed to earn it, but even that ended up looking easy by the end. Sexton is just as talented but his confidence is fragile. Deegan's almost the opposite - he comes close to running out of talent 2-3 times every race but the mentality and the confidence and the composure is equal to Hunter. Jett and Hunter are really the only two right now that have it all together, with Jett being center-stage as the 450 rookie.

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6/19/2023 6:04pm

RC said he has the talent to break all the records. Not he will.

Yes and doing so well at such a young age gives him a pretty good shot at it.   He might not be doing something as groundbreakingly...

Yes and doing so well at such a young age gives him a pretty good shot at it.   He might not be doing something as groundbreakingly new as JS with his scrub or MC with staying low. But the way he can often be so perfect when he rides makes him just as fun to watch ,for me anyway. The way he catches the downsides and is on the gas driving down the landings is something that he is doing that I have not noticed others doing it as well.  

It was amazing to go to races and watch James and RC ride at levels that made the rest of the class look like a different class.Even though the battle or lack of battle's for the lead might become a common thing in the 450 class this summer, It will still be fun to watch Jett ride like he is in his own class , if he keeps on winning and making it look easy. 

 

I don't think Ricky Carmichael or James Stewart would have had perfect seasons, had Jett Lawrence been racing against them at the time.   Jett has shown...

I don't think Ricky Carmichael or James Stewart would have had perfect seasons, had Jett Lawrence been racing against them at the time.   Jett has shown that he's at a different level than everyone else, his 90% smooth and in control speed is everyone else's 100% ragged edge on the brink of disaster speed.  It's as if he can turn it up a notch and gap the field instantly at random when he needs it and then cruise around effortlessly for the rest of the race in the lead.  He's looking like he might be the most naturally gifted SX and MX rider ever.   Amazing talent. 

I agree that Jett is very talented. But its hard to say that he could have been faster than RC or JS while they were at their prime.  I have not seen Jett on a 450 in person yet, But RC and JS  were making 3rd place look like they were a midpack B at some races.  The gap in talent from the rest of the field when both were on , was just amazing. Jett has the super smooth Windham style but cranked up a notch. I do not think we have seen Jett's limits yet. So maybe he might have been faster than those guys back then. I think its a little early to say stuff like that though. If Eli and Chase were both out there and Jett was still doing the same thing, then maybe. 

I think that we got to see RC and James at their highest levels, RC wanted to not just win by a few seconds, he wanted to win by as big of a gap as he could.  Jett seems to prefer to ride just fast enough to have a small gap and not care to win by more than needed.  If he has a 3 second gap and feels like he is not even close to the edge, he may feel like that is safer than going faster and pulling a bigger gap. He might feel like there is less chance he will make a mistake at that speed than if he rides faster to get the little extra gap that some people are saying would help him incase he made a small mistake. He really seems like something special. Beating Kenny like he did goes more towards showing that Jett is really that good. Kenny has shown he can still win and is most likely in great shape and not worn down from the grind that has kept him from doing well outdoors. Getting ready for WSX , Who knows ,Kenny may have been faster than Chase and Eli if they were there too. 

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2 Riders you mentioned in your list are better than RC.

Park Boys wrote:

Put the pipe down. Saying two riders are better then RC is far worse then saying the earth is flat. 

You're right, Dungey is better than JS7.

He was. 

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No, But you’re close. This outdoor series is cake. SX next year will be different obviously with guys healthy and SX being the tougher discipline that America breeds for. But Jett has brought out the haters meowing. 

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Park Boys wrote:

Put the pipe down. Saying two riders are better then RC is far worse then saying the earth is flat. 

You're right, Dungey is better than JS7.

-MAVERICK- wrote:

He was. 

🫵🏼🤣 

I guess it’s all how you view it!

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Old Mate wrote:
Jett has had rhythm with all movements since baby days, I watched Bubba and the Goat and most other 250 winners crash the 450 hard when...

Jett has had rhythm with all movements since baby days, I watched Bubba and the Goat and most other 250 winners crash the 450 hard when stepping up, Dungey was the only recent champ who hasn’t, for Jet to win MXoN at 18 in his first ever 450 moto and then win his next 8 motos in a row at AMA level while still a teenager is the most impressive start to 450 mx I have seen in my 60yrs of living the the sport. His big success is close family, technique and flow and unless something changes I feel his success will continue. 

Amen.  This kid is about as close to the perfect specimen as it gets.  Gifted, smart, humble but confident, appreciative and thankful.  If he could play guitar and sing...he'd own the world.

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You're right, Dungey is better than JS7.

-MAVERICK- wrote:

He was. 

mx4 wrote:

🫵🏼🤣 

I guess it’s all how you view it!

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6/19/2023 6:52pm Edited Date/Time 6/19/2023 6:53pm

It was a very tough track and Jett cruised to two Moto wins. And I mean he literally cruised, I'm sure everyone saw him standing throughout that long rutted corner in Moto 2 looking like he was on a parade lap. If Jett actually had any real challenge for this championship we might have seen him actually push a little. 

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