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Man I love a Herlings post on Vital!
Entertaining !
Get well soon JH.
Exactly nobody can say he is not deserving it the guy is fast, fast enough to take home the gold by finishing each race. Nobody cares how you did it. Just do it 😅 but again I prefer herlings style go all out every race 😎
To obtain the record in GP wins with that injury record requires a determination that is hard to imagine and we are lucky he keeps choosing to come back. I'm glad to hear he is only out for a few rounds; it ain't over till it's over as we learned in SX this year.
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Was there a link to his cfrash?
I think the way were seeing Prado race and now Jett is turning out to be the way of the future. Im not talking about the technical riding, thats definitely the way of the future. What I mean though is that both of them dont like to ever ride over their head and dont try to have massive leads. I think Jett especially learned from Tomac in 2015 when he was winning races by a minute and a half that youre exposing yourself to a lot of risk by doing that. Whether you win by 3 seconds or 3 minutes it counts the same.
That being said as a fan the style of herlings is incredible to watch, but I think his injury history shows it. Herlings and James were going to be the fastest guy on the track period, and they were either going to win or theyre gonna crash going as hard as they can. I think the new generation is learning that this is bad for longevity. Damn its great to watch though.
I'm not a fan of Gajser, but that future guy was faster than Tim in 6 motos of 36 last year, 36... That being sad, at best a #3 spot with healty Herlings and Gajser.
Healthy Gajser would have been dominating this years championship at this point
Rc has 15 ama titles and has won literally everything there is to win, and went almost his entire career without getting injured. I believe his ACL was it. Do you really want to compare the two??
Herlings went 1 1 at iron Man but also had musquin all over him the entire moto, and musquin also set the fastest lap. Tomac easily cleared musquin all summer.
It was a single race my guy, and the fastest guy backed off so he could win a title. You had herlings coming over with a chip on his shoulder and everything to prove, and Tomac who ALMOST got himself wrapped up in it, and had a close call and backed it off. Herlings almost baited him into a senseless battle.
No one is arguing whether the guy is fast or not. He is absolutely a contender for the fastest guy in motorocross when he's at his prime. I don't think anyone is arguing this. Personally I'm just tired of the "omg herlings the fastest guy ever and blows the doors off all Americans!" It just simply isn't true.
Besides, I'd argue right now that Jett Lawrence is clean of anyone, unfortunately we didn't get to see tomac go at him, or even sexton.
Unfortunately unless Herlings comes over to race a full season, or one of our top fastest guys goes there to do the same there's no way to ever determine the fastest guy. Same with RC and Everts... Anyone can have the perfect day for a single race day against the other guy..need to do it repeatedly.
It's really really ridiculous. It's kind of pathetic how so many of these grown men base their entire egos on OTHER being fast on dirt bikes that are from the same region as them.
Just because you're from the same region as someone who's fast you think this someone makes you included?
I could freaking care less. At the end of the day I'm a motocross fan through and through, and I don't care where someone is "from" I just like to see the fastest guys race dirtbikes and battle.
What I learned from this thread:
The AMA should take the opportunity to rename the winner of their series the "Champion of the Universe". Because, by definition the universe is bigger than the world, and the CotU would automatically, and unequivocally, trump a "World Champion".
Of course, this would also result in an estimated 60% reduction in the number of posts on Vital, as the always poignant "World Champ is better than National Champ" debate would become moot.
So, there's that.
Hope the AMA chooses wisely.
Oh, and Herlings is injured. Almost forgot that.
It's a shame for the championship, it makes it a lot less interesting.
Hopefully Herlings can be back for the Belgium GP to put on a sand riding clinic.
Just a alittle comparison and to put things in perspective, we, Americans think RV is one of the all time greats in motocross, right?
RV (3) 250 championships 19 wins, (2) 450 championships 12 wins
JH (3) 250 championships 61 wins, (2) 450 championships 42 wins
Just sayin
This suddenly came to my mind, we all know when Herlings is in the zone aka beast mode. He is unbeatable. Pretty sure the fastest man who ever rode on a dirtbike. But the downside is you crash more, you can’t fucxing send it all weekend all year without a hiccup.. now I thought what if he slowed down, then he is riding beneath his capabilities level perhaps beneath his comfort zone he needs beast mode. You can’t ask to slow down to battle with guys for 20 laps you can actually leave in the dust. I think that’s harder then racing at your max potential every weekend. With that said Herlings on beast mode I really believe he is the fastest mx rider who ever lived on this planet.
First up, heal up JH! The series is way better with you out there.
The annoying thing about all you Herlings fan boys is you think he is the second coming, yet he’s not even the best racer of his era. Gasjer has twice as many premier titles, and is only 4 premier class wins behind the “fastest man on the planet”. Premier titles is what defines a body of work over time. When Herlings is on, he can’t be beat. But when he’s off, he’s throwing away titles. Staying healthy is also part of what makes a great racer, along with speed, fitness, mental strength etc.. Herlings has speed in spades, truly a bad ass- but it takes more than that get the job done. And he is deficient in those other areas. It’s why RC is the GOAT- UNDEFEATED in outdoor championships. 10 straight years. And while James had more speed at times, RC always got the job done.
Ah yes the old praise then comment about he isn't all that.
"Herlings has speed in spades, truly a bad ass- but it takes more than that get the job done. And he is deficient in those other areas."
Incorrect, Herlings has 2 weaknesses, when he tips over and or falls he breaks and he is not as technical as some other riders which he has mentioned in the past.
Mental ? wtf are you smoking, fitness? fit as fuck he typically charges late in motos, Jeffery is basically a narcissist who wants the absolute maximum out of himself and he done it for many years.
I can tell you don't watch him nor the GP's, you mention how annoying fanboys are yet you're here bringing up RC and James lol? You're just insecure that a Euro might be better than a US rider(who the fuck cares), the people you call "fan boys" are just a fan of athletes doing great things.
Go watch his crashes, RC would have not broken anything 90% of Herlings crashes, the guy is brittle, if he didn't break he would remount and charge again but the problem is he breaks all the time.
I really don’t understand the hate surrounding Herlings. This season has proven once again that its exhilarating to watch him race. His starts aren’t great, but his second half charge is nearly always breathtaking. Watching him hunt down other racers and the style in which he does it is simply phenomenal.
Get well soon Jeffrey! You might even catch Prado at the end of the season, in fashion of this year’s style of racing.
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I wish he would mend up and retire, enough is enough.
Pick another body friendly hobby Jeffrey.
Does that include Marc Marquez Travis pastrana David Vuillemin has had his share of bad luck, Maybe Travis is a bit to much but I think this list is long anybody can add more broken bones riders to the list 😓
Your first statement was exactly what I was thinking as I read the first couple pages. MXGP vs AMA again? Fucking hell man
Let’s just end it by saying you can’t call yourself world champion when you don’t race against the world’s best. So France Mxon here we go ✊🤣🤣 i think I stay home for this one to much pressure for me 🫣
Hint: Riding over your head to be "The Bullet” yet missing year after year due to crashes MAYBE isn't the best way. If you can win yet ride smarter seems like the best option...
Herlings is definitely up there among the likes of Martin Davalos as one of the greatest rookie class riders of all time.
Of course I praised him- JH is bad mofo. That doesn't mean he is beyond critique though.
You're 100% correct- and I worded my original post very poorly. I didn't mean to state he is deficient in all those other areas. He's certainly not. Like you stated, he's fit as fuck, and driven beyond 99.9999% of the planet. I fucked that up. The point I was trying to make is, while he is certainly a bad a dude, and legend, he is not THE BEST ever. Again, statistically not even the best of his era. So I find it ludicrous his fan boys take that position. And staying off the ground and healthy being his biggest weakness(like you stated).
As for me being "insecure". Ease up partner- I'm just not that invested in all this. Just a race fan who loves the sport, calling it as I see it and enjoying a little banter amongst the boys.
Just to put things into perspective:
RV only rode a 250 for three years
MX: 2006-2008, winning the MX title all three years, only rode 250 SX for two years
SX: 2007-2008, winning one title and a 2nd.
Nobody had to change the rulebook to get RV to move up the premier 450 class....
450 2009-2014
4 SX Titles
2 MX Titles.
TEN Titles total in 8 years.
Championships:
2006 MX Lites Champion
2007 AMA West SX Lites Champion
2007 MX Lites Champion
2008 MX Lites Champion
2011 AMA Supercross 450 Champion
2011 AMA 450 Motocross Champion
2012 AMA Supercross 450 Champion
2013 AMA Supercross 450 Champion
2013 AMA 450 Motocross Champion
2014 AMA Supercross 450 Champion
Total Career AMA Wins
11 Wins in 125/250 AMA Supercross (Regional): 1–2006 7–2007 3–2008
20 Wins in 125/250 AMA Motocross: 6–2006 5–2007 9–2008
41 Wins in 250/450 AMA Supercross: 2–2009 7–2010 6–2011 9–2012 10–2013 7–2014
12 Wins in 250/450 AMA Motocross: 1–2009 3–2011 8–2013
73 Total AMA Wins: 6–2006 5–2007 9–2008 3–2009 7–2010 9–2011 9–2012 18–2013 7–2014
1 Win in MXGP: 1–2015
Just sayin
Some? How about most all.
Herlings out for 6 weeks world title is signed sealed and delivered for Prado and deserves it.
Herlings prepares for podiums wins and the nations so probably nobody will be faster then him all day 😅 got nothing to lose now only his health
I think Herlings simply has so much fire inside him that he struggles to back it down a notch at times (like JS7). I'm not a fan of comparing his all-time wins stats to Everts, because Stefan earned that the hard way. However, no one can question Jeffrey Herlings toughness or raw speed; when he showed up at the South American round with a minimally healed femur break and a rod holding his leg together, I was convinced. He's an absolute animal...at the end of the day he's the guy that has to decide how hard to push to win. I do think Jett and Prado will have more longevity (or at least a better retirement without all of the aches and pains), but I personally love watching Herlings just destroy everyone in the sand....
Herlings is similar to J Stew.
Speed cant be matched
Injuries taking their toll.
Not as many chips as expected.
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