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Not just the riders. The spectators don’t want to deal with that shit either and I don’t blame them
I honestly don’t know and maybe it was huge but what was the attendance at Pala? How many camping registrations did they have? Have a friend that moved from the Midwest to CA. He never missed a red bud or Millville while living hear but doesn’t go to Pala even though it’s close because in his words it sucks to spectate, zero shad and pretty much just miserable. I would say if MXSports is honest no one really wants to be there either
Absolutely not. You can check my thread history and you will clearly see that I constantly say Pala is a dog turd. I've ridden it many of times and the opinion never changes.
However, being a dog turd does not change the fact that SoCal must always have a national as it's still the main HQ for the factories and Pala is literally sponsored by Fox. So while I'm pretty sure everyone that's a fan wants the SoCal natty to be at GH, if those folks can't work it out, we're stuck with a turd.
Monster Mountain needs a national
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There are a lot of diehard motorsports fans in the southeast. It makes no sense to me why you couldn't fill a pro national with spectators and make it profitable. I think heat is the root problem (fans and riders).
Maybe the schedule is all wrong. Instead of SX, MX, off-season. It should be SX, off-season, MX.
Was there any specific reason why WW was taken off the rotation? I thought that track was a great addition compared to what we're seeing with Pala these last couple years.
High school football starts thier workouts in the middle of summer, plenty of kids suffer a pretty high intensity work out in the heat, and most are not exactly trained as elite athletes. For the heat and motocross discussion, guy have got heat exhaustion stroke at other locations, not just flordia, hot and humidity is not exlusive to just Fl.
Yeah I hear that nyc& Jersey was 99 & a little muggy Fri. Pa. Was a little cooler with some neat storms.I Love the heat it’s my Favorite time to ride. 99 & muggy is Perfect.
I think the heat and humidity are a big reason, few of facilities that can actually have the capacity to host an event, also have to wonder if it would even be profitable.
Call me crazy, but I think spectators that live in the southeast won’t have a problem standing in the type of weather that’s in the southeast.
Source: Am from the southeast.
Gatorback is also used pretty heavily this time of year for Lorettas qualifiers, lots of high caliber amateur racing there nearly year round. They probably make more money putting on the amateur races. Just my thought, someone correct me if Im wrong.
How many were at the mxgp in florida?
I appreciate the anecdote but every for one person who thinks it’s fine, there are 5-7 who don’t
“If you don’t want to risk heat exhaustion just to watch a race in person you’re a pussy snowflake”
some old dude on vital, probably
Low ROI pretty much. Junior poured a lot into making it a top notch event. Anyone that’s been there knows, the property is pristine to say the least. The return was lousy if any and the impact on the ranch probably wasn’t worth it.
Monster Mountain would be a great place would just need some upgrades parking and seating, they are close to Auburn and Opelika that have a lot of Hotels food etc. The Kingsfields would love to do it i bet
I like how you followed up my “anecdote” with a figure that you pulled directly out of your ass, lol. Moto is big down here and people here are used to the humidity. I’m just saying, out of all the reasons why a national wouldn’t or shouldn’t take place down here, the weather (from a fan’s perspective, at least) wouldn’t be one of them.
They aren't allowed via their lease to have pro races anymore at Gatorback. They tried.
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I was born and raised in Texas. Have been to National races across the country. I can tell you Texas is a different kind of heat in the dead of summer. Unless it's the first couple of races of the series forget it. The start of this summer has been excellent so far. There are tracks in Texas that could run a night national but still not going to draw enough fans to justify it.
No, Sam said it was his decision not to keep the National @ Muddy creek!
Thanks for the information. The work they put into that place and track changes they made were really impressive. Bummer that it didn't pay off in the end.
Many of us survived two a day football practice, Texas, Oklahoma and the South. Motocross could survive it too.
it all comes down to the venue.
Like i said, muddy creek usually was as horribly one-lined as hangtown was this past weekend.
We didn't go to WW ranch because it looked completely flat - not a lot of sections for great viewing.
You put it somewhere where the race track has good racing and you can see the track, people will be there.
I was at the last one in 97. I think they should hv a natl some where during March during the sx season. Bike week & a lot of other types of motorcycle racing going on . Plus spring break. Look at hill climbs in the 1940,s they had huge crowds in the middle of no where. 1901 in Pa. They had 70k at a car hill climb. Make the Nationals a 2 day event like b4 & race on Sunday . Sat qualifier’s & a pro am race, no timed qualifying. People want to see racing not a stop watch.
Not the same level as doing a 30 minute plus 2 at your max the whole time twice in a day. Lots of rest at football practice there bud.
this. a lot is being said as if some rounds in the southeast haven't happened in the last decade.
freestone had it, and never had great turnout numbers.
muddy creek got it in '13, and its numbers dwindled, and promoters passed on it
ww got it. it's numbers were weak, and promoter passed on it.
a common variable here is once the unobtainable national comes to town in the southeast, the numbers arent great enough for the promoter to wish to continue it. the crowds just haven't been there.
Bingo, people complain about it ,but dont even attend. To hot,to far,to much $$ etc.
sounds exactly like the USGP event everyone wants, but no one attends
As far as the heat goes, didn’t they used to run Gatorback in March or April back in the day? Before SX even ended, possibly for this exact reason? Would be so weird now to have a National before SX ends.
Spoken like a guy that never did double sessions in the 1980's in August where you were allowed to hit the water hose one time during your entire practice.
I'd be willing to bet my house that a higher percentage of kids have heat stroke issues from football than motocross.
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