Perfect opportunity for Eli to become a World Champion

Take the rest of 2023 off, focusing on recovery. Then sign with a MXGP team on a 2 year deal, ease into the first year, no rush to win, just get comfortable with the formats & learning the new circuits.

Year 2 go for the title, cut a deal with Loungo that the final MXGP round is a US GP, preferably red bud.

Every chance Eli gets to retire a proper world champion at his home GP.

Tell me you wouldn’t watch that. 

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5/8/2023 3:24pm

Cant wait for him to become a World Supercross Champion.

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But to be real, it's also the perfect opportunity for Eli to become World Grillmaster.

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Tomac strikes me as one of the last guys in the Paddock that wants to pack up all his shit and live in Europe.  He lives in pretty close to paradise and is pretty isolated just like they seem to like it.

Why the hell would he want to move his family over to Europe and suffer the conditions there for 2 years? 

 

You really think he wants to money? 

 

I'm sure he could care less about a World Championship on his mantle, he's already won championships in the most competitive and important Series' in the world.

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5/9/2023 3:29am Edited Date/Time 5/9/2023 3:44am
LungButter wrote:
Tomac strikes me as one of the last guys in the Paddock that wants to pack up all his shit and live in Europe.  He lives...

Tomac strikes me as one of the last guys in the Paddock that wants to pack up all his shit and live in Europe.  He lives in pretty close to paradise and is pretty isolated just like they seem to like it.

Why the hell would he want to move his family over to Europe and suffer the conditions there for 2 years? 

 

You really think he wants to money? 

 

I'm sure he could care less about a World Championship on his mantle, he's already won championships in the most competitive and important Series' in the world.

Just another US national champion, you really put him on the same level as Herlings ?

MXGP is the pinnacle of outdoors, no other series demands as much out of a rider. Even Cooper Webb recently said he wouldn’t be able to ride the tracks. 
 

The next GOAT needs to have won both sides of the pond, so far that’s only Herlings. 

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It totally makes sense.  Tomac can join that long list of riders that won their first MXGP championship in their 30s 🤦🏻‍♂️

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Just another US national champion, you really put him on the same level as Herlings ? MXGP is the pinnacle of outdoors, no other series demands...

Just another US national champion, you really put him on the same level as Herlings ?

MXGP is the pinnacle of outdoors, no other series demands as much out of a rider. Even Cooper Webb recently said he wouldn’t be able to ride the tracks. 
 

The next GOAT needs to have won both sides of the pond, so far that’s only Herlings. 

What series did Herlings win here?

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LungButter wrote:
Tomac strikes me as one of the last guys in the Paddock that wants to pack up all his shit and live in Europe.  He lives...

Tomac strikes me as one of the last guys in the Paddock that wants to pack up all his shit and live in Europe.  He lives in pretty close to paradise and is pretty isolated just like they seem to like it.

Why the hell would he want to move his family over to Europe and suffer the conditions there for 2 years? 

 

You really think he wants to money? 

 

I'm sure he could care less about a World Championship on his mantle, he's already won championships in the most competitive and important Series' in the world.

Just another US national champion, you really put him on the same level as Herlings ? MXGP is the pinnacle of outdoors, no other series demands...

Just another US national champion, you really put him on the same level as Herlings ?

MXGP is the pinnacle of outdoors, no other series demands as much out of a rider. Even Cooper Webb recently said he wouldn’t be able to ride the tracks. 
 

The next GOAT needs to have won both sides of the pond, so far that’s only Herlings. 

I assume you are referencing the gypsy tales podcast that Webb recently did? 
 

If so, he didn’t say he “wouldn’t be able to ride the gp tracks.” He said he “Wouldn’t WANT to ride more than a couple of them because they don’t look fun to ride.”

Big difference….

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5/9/2023 3:41am
Just another US national champion, you really put him on the same level as Herlings ? MXGP is the pinnacle of outdoors, no other series demands...

Just another US national champion, you really put him on the same level as Herlings ?

MXGP is the pinnacle of outdoors, no other series demands as much out of a rider. Even Cooper Webb recently said he wouldn’t be able to ride the tracks. 
 

The next GOAT needs to have won both sides of the pond, so far that’s only Herlings. 

What series did Herlings win here?

I think he was referring to the Supercross championship, you know, the one required to even be in the GOAT conversation.

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5/9/2023 3:46am
Mcflurry98 wrote:
I assume you are referencing the gypsy tales podcast that Webb recently did?    If so, he didn’t say he “wouldn’t be able to ride the...

I assume you are referencing the gypsy tales podcast that Webb recently did? 
 

If so, he didn’t say he “wouldn’t be able to ride the gp tracks.” He said he “Wouldn’t WANT to ride more than a couple of them because they don’t look fun to ride.”

Big difference….

Not fun because he didn’t believe he could win perhaps ? 

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5/9/2023 3:47am Edited Date/Time 5/9/2023 3:48am

What series did Herlings win here?

No series yet, but we all know it’s well within him.

Eli has a golden opportunity to gain first blood, it’s not like he’s being asked to join the military is it. 
 

Where’s the ambition gone USA ? 

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Tomac strikes me as one of the last guys in the Paddock that wants to pack up all his shit and live in Europe.  He lives...

Tomac strikes me as one of the last guys in the Paddock that wants to pack up all his shit and live in Europe.  He lives in pretty close to paradise and is pretty isolated just like they seem to like it.

Why the hell would he want to move his family over to Europe and suffer the conditions there for 2 years? 

 

You really think he wants to money? 

 

I'm sure he could care less about a World Championship on his mantle, he's already won championships in the most competitive and important Series' in the world.

"Suffer the conditions"

 

You do realise at the moment Europe is experiencing a exponential influx of Americans fleeing the tax burden and chaos in America at the moment? 

 

Their words not mine.

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Mcflurry98 wrote:
I assume you are referencing the gypsy tales podcast that Webb recently did?    If so, he didn’t say he “wouldn’t be able to ride the...

I assume you are referencing the gypsy tales podcast that Webb recently did? 
 

If so, he didn’t say he “wouldn’t be able to ride the gp tracks.” He said he “Wouldn’t WANT to ride more than a couple of them because they don’t look fun to ride.”

Big difference….

Not fun because he didn’t believe he could win perhaps ? 

You're right....

A multi-time champion who is known for having more mental toughness and self belief than most, suddenly decided that he doesn't think he can win. 

That's some tremendous deductive reasoning that you put to work there. 

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5/9/2023 4:28am Edited Date/Time 5/9/2023 4:50am

What series did Herlings win here?

He’s schooled the US top brass on a borrowed bike, just for the fun of it. 
 

There’s more too be a elite athlete then just money, winning on either side of the pond raises your profile enormously, MXGP is the highest level & sadly I think it’s too intimidating a prospect for the US elite to even attempt anymore.
 

My genuine belief thou is Eli could win it with a 2 year deal. 

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LungButter wrote:
Tomac strikes me as one of the last guys in the Paddock that wants to pack up all his shit and live in Europe.  He lives...

Tomac strikes me as one of the last guys in the Paddock that wants to pack up all his shit and live in Europe.  He lives in pretty close to paradise and is pretty isolated just like they seem to like it.

Why the hell would he want to move his family over to Europe and suffer the conditions there for 2 years? 

 

You really think he wants to money? 

 

I'm sure he could care less about a World Championship on his mantle, he's already won championships in the most competitive and important Series' in the world.

Just another US national champion, you really put him on the same level as Herlings ? MXGP is the pinnacle of outdoors, no other series demands...

Just another US national champion, you really put him on the same level as Herlings ?

MXGP is the pinnacle of outdoors, no other series demands as much out of a rider. Even Cooper Webb recently said he wouldn’t be able to ride the tracks. 
 

The next GOAT needs to have won both sides of the pond, so far that’s only Herlings. 

Just another US national champion doesn't do justice to Eli's incredible speed, but in essence moto from GB is right when comparing him to Herlings. Look at Ironman and MXdN at Red Budd.

 

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What series did Herlings win here?

He’s schooled the US top brass on a borrowed bike, just for the fun of it.    There’s more too be a elite athlete then just...

He’s schooled the US top brass on a borrowed bike, just for the fun of it. 
 

There’s more too be a elite athlete then just money, winning on either side of the pond raises your profile enormously, MXGP is the highest level & sadly I think it’s too intimidating a prospect for the US elite to even attempt anymore.
 

My genuine belief thou is Eli could win it with a 2 year deal. 

I guess you know more than kroc, he just signed for wsx. For $$$$, why didnt he race the 450 mxgp series then? Hmmmm.
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Cant wait for him to become a World Supercross Champion.

AMA Supercross was FIM sanctioned from 2008 to 2021, so Eli was FIM World Supercross Champion in 2020!

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Tomac strikes me as one of the last guys in the Paddock that wants to pack up all his shit and live in Europe.  He lives...

Tomac strikes me as one of the last guys in the Paddock that wants to pack up all his shit and live in Europe.  He lives in pretty close to paradise and is pretty isolated just like they seem to like it.

Why the hell would he want to move his family over to Europe and suffer the conditions there for 2 years? 

 

You really think he wants to money? 

 

I'm sure he could care less about a World Championship on his mantle, he's already won championships in the most competitive and important Series' in the world.

Just another US national champion, you really put him on the same level as Herlings ? MXGP is the pinnacle of outdoors, no other series demands...

Just another US national champion, you really put him on the same level as Herlings ?

MXGP is the pinnacle of outdoors, no other series demands as much out of a rider. Even Cooper Webb recently said he wouldn’t be able to ride the tracks. 
 

The next GOAT needs to have won both sides of the pond, so far that’s only Herlings. 

Mick 22 wrote:
Just another US national champion doesn't do justice to Eli's incredible speed, but in essence moto from GB is right when comparing him to Herlings. Look...

Just another US national champion doesn't do justice to Eli's incredible speed, but in essence moto from GB is right when comparing him to Herlings. Look at Ironman and MXdN at Red Budd.

 

You mean the one coldenhoff won? Right.
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No way Tomac is going to race MXGP, start a whole new career chapter in foreign countries is not going to interest him. 

Not sure why but seems like every time MXGP vs US MX people act like Herlings is Christ reincarnated and everyone that races MX over here are C class guys. Herlings is insane obviously and cleaned up when he came over but like Webb said in that same podcast someone would have to race a full series to prove anything. 

If Herlings raced todays current field all being healthy and without Tomac nursing a championship I don't think he has an easy of a time. Look at the guys he beat compared to who he would be racing today (if all actually survived SX obviously). 

Jeffrey Herlings, Elsendorp, Netherlands, KTM (1-1)

Marvin Musquin, La Reole, France, KTM (2-2)

Blake Baggett, Grand Terrace, Calif., KTM (3-3)

Cole Seely, Newbury Park, Calif., Honda (4-4)

Cooper Webb, Morehead City, N.C., Yamaha (6-5)

Eli Tomac, Cortez, Colo., Kawasaki (5-6)

Weston Peick, Wildomar, Calif., Suzuki (7-8)

Christian Craig, Corona, Calif., Honda (9-7)

Justin Bogle, Cushing, Okla., Suzuki (11-9)

Dean Wilson, Glasgow, Scotland, Husqvarna (12-10)

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I'd love to see a top AMA rider take on MXGP but the series is just not attractive to riders outside of Europe. The "world championship" moniker that Infront purchases from FIM isn't enough to create interest.

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What series did Herlings win here?

No series yet, but we all know it’s well within him. Eli has a golden opportunity to gain first blood, it’s not like he’s being asked...

No series yet, but we all know it’s well within him.

Eli has a golden opportunity to gain first blood, it’s not like he’s being asked to join the military is it. 
 

Where’s the ambition gone USA ? 

That's enough out of you.

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Just another US national champion, you really put him on the same level as Herlings ? MXGP is the pinnacle of outdoors, no other series demands...

Just another US national champion, you really put him on the same level as Herlings ?

MXGP is the pinnacle of outdoors, no other series demands as much out of a rider. Even Cooper Webb recently said he wouldn’t be able to ride the tracks. 
 

The next GOAT needs to have won both sides of the pond, so far that’s only Herlings. 

Mick 22 wrote:
Just another US national champion doesn't do justice to Eli's incredible speed, but in essence moto from GB is right when comparing him to Herlings. Look...

Just another US national champion doesn't do justice to Eli's incredible speed, but in essence moto from GB is right when comparing him to Herlings. Look at Ironman and MXdN at Red Budd.

 

mxb2 wrote:
You mean the one coldenhoff won? Right.

Yes, I mean Ironman, where Herlings pounded the field into submission, and I also mean the MXdN, where he finished 2nd in the slop. Where did Eli finish at these two AMERICAN located events where they both raced?

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Hasn't Tomac won a couple MXGP races (Glen Helen, can't remember if he won in Charlotte).  

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Eli is looking at a serious injury and a recovery time that could be a year or longer.  He may not be ready to race again until 2025, and who knows what options will be available to him at that point. 

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Mick 22 wrote:
Just another US national champion doesn't do justice to Eli's incredible speed, but in essence moto from GB is right when comparing him to Herlings. Look...

Just another US national champion doesn't do justice to Eli's incredible speed, but in essence moto from GB is right when comparing him to Herlings. Look at Ironman and MXdN at Red Budd.

 

mxb2 wrote:
You mean the one coldenhoff won? Right.
Mick 22 wrote:
Yes, I mean Ironman, where Herlings pounded the field into submission, and I also mean the MXdN, where he finished 2nd in the slop. Where did...

Yes, I mean Ironman, where Herlings pounded the field into submission, and I also mean the MXdN, where he finished 2nd in the slop. Where did Eli finish at these two AMERICAN located events where they both raced?

Yea like i said coldenhoff won, and ironman tomac. Title mode. More to lose than gain , Title $$ on the line. Musquin was winning,until his crash. And he has never beat tomac for a title. But keep bringing up a 6 year old race. Why no mention of charlotte mxgp?
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Hasn't Tomac won a couple MXGP races (Glen Helen, can't remember if he won in Charlotte).  

He won Charlotte . At Glen Helen he started outside the top 10 in a moto and blew by everyone like they were tied to posts . Herlings was still in 250s at the time .

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Hasn't Tomac won a couple MXGP races (Glen Helen, can't remember if he won in Charlotte).  

Yep. Tomac won the 450, webb won the 250. But thats never mentioned lol. Selective memories.
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mxb2 wrote:
You mean the one coldenhoff won? Right.
Mick 22 wrote:
Yes, I mean Ironman, where Herlings pounded the field into submission, and I also mean the MXdN, where he finished 2nd in the slop. Where did...

Yes, I mean Ironman, where Herlings pounded the field into submission, and I also mean the MXdN, where he finished 2nd in the slop. Where did Eli finish at these two AMERICAN located events where they both raced?

mxb2 wrote:
Yea like i said coldenhoff won, and ironman tomac. Title mode. More to lose than gain , Title $$ on the line. Musquin was winning,until his...
Yea like i said coldenhoff won, and ironman tomac. Title mode. More to lose than gain , Title $$ on the line. Musquin was winning,until his crash. And he has never beat tomac for a title. But keep bringing up a 6 year old race. Why no mention of charlotte mxgp?

At Eli's 2016 Charlotte MXGP 1-1, he defeated Cairoli's 2-2 and Gajser's 3-4. Herlings did NOT race against him there, so what is your point?

They were pretty equal in 2017 at Jacksonville, where Herling's 2-1 beat Eli's 1-3.

And then, we need to return to Ironman and Red Budd.

BTW, 6 yrs ago is more recent than 8 years ago. I will give you that none of these matchups are recent.

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Mick 22 wrote:
Yes, I mean Ironman, where Herlings pounded the field into submission, and I also mean the MXdN, where he finished 2nd in the slop. Where did...

Yes, I mean Ironman, where Herlings pounded the field into submission, and I also mean the MXdN, where he finished 2nd in the slop. Where did Eli finish at these two AMERICAN located events where they both raced?

mxb2 wrote:
Yea like i said coldenhoff won, and ironman tomac. Title mode. More to lose than gain , Title $$ on the line. Musquin was winning,until his...
Yea like i said coldenhoff won, and ironman tomac. Title mode. More to lose than gain , Title $$ on the line. Musquin was winning,until his crash. And he has never beat tomac for a title. But keep bringing up a 6 year old race. Why no mention of charlotte mxgp?
Mick 22 wrote:
At Eli's 2016 Charlotte MXGP 1-1, he defeated Cairoli's 2-2 and Gajser's 3-4. Herlings did NOT race against him there, so what is your point? They...

At Eli's 2016 Charlotte MXGP 1-1, he defeated Cairoli's 2-2 and Gajser's 3-4. Herlings did NOT race against him there, so what is your point?

They were pretty equal in 2017 at Jacksonville, where Herling's 2-1 beat Eli's 1-3.

And then, we need to return to Ironman and Red Budd.

BTW, 6 yrs ago is more recent than 8 years ago. I will give you that none of these matchups are recent.

My point is webb beat herlings, tomac beat the world champ. And 6-8 years ago mean nothing now. But since you wanted to bring up old races, i did also. See how that works.
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Tomac strikes me as one of the last guys in the Paddock that wants to pack up all his shit and live in Europe.  He lives...

Tomac strikes me as one of the last guys in the Paddock that wants to pack up all his shit and live in Europe.  He lives in pretty close to paradise and is pretty isolated just like they seem to like it.

Why the hell would he want to move his family over to Europe and suffer the conditions there for 2 years? 

 

You really think he wants to money? 

 

I'm sure he could care less about a World Championship on his mantle, he's already won championships in the most competitive and important Series' in the world.

Spergen wrote:
"Suffer the conditions"   You do realise at the moment Europe is experiencing a exponential influx of Americans fleeing the tax burden and chaos in America...

"Suffer the conditions"

 

You do realise at the moment Europe is experiencing a exponential influx of Americans fleeing the tax burden and chaos in America at the moment? 

 

Their words not mine.

  lol Ive been to Europe, not a chance I'd move there to avoid taxes. 

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