We probably saw Eli's last race of his career.

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All last year Eli said he would probably quit at the end of 2023 SX...

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Eli is genetically and mentally on a different level than 99.5% of humans. He will have a world class surgeon and rehab program to combine with his genetics and his mental drive. I think A1 is not only in the cards but I think he could be back on the back in October and be able to put in a solid training program. That is of course if he wants to. I can’t see Eli and John let it end like this.

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zlowery wrote:
These are screen-grabs from eli’s own IG. I realize the technique through these sorts of obstacles is “balls of your feet”. But was he excessive causing...

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These are screen-grabs from eli’s own IG. I realize the technique through these sorts of obstacles is “balls of your feet”. But was he excessive causing deterioration leading to last nights injury? Seems like the body just isnt meant to bend like a few of those.

To me it seems like tiger woods’ back situation. Nobody torqued it harder than tiger for years. Fast forward 20 years, his back issues before his car wreck really played into the approach of his game.. 

Either way, i hope to see eli back on top! 

kpiper wrote:

How does this compare to other top riders? Eli probably has done what he did last night 1000 times without this happening.

Funny you ask. I had a pile of old boots i wore out dead center in the middle over the years. Clearly not even touching the balls of my feet with the pegs. 
 

Some friends and i were texting about it and looking at pics of top pro’s months ago. After going through pics, most do at times. But eli seemed to stand out with this style.

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5/7/2023 11:48am Edited Date/Time 5/9/2023 8:39am

It is simply not possible to celebrate Sexton's win and likely championship with any joy, no matter who your personal favorite is.  There are of course "victors" in this scenario but there are no actual winners.  We just watched one of the greatest racers of all time lose a championship, an entire outdoor season, and quite possibly the end of his career in a terrible and tragic way.  It would be like watching the same thing happen to McGrath, RC, Stewart, RV, or Reed.  I think Chase showed pure character with his muted demeanor after the race.  He could barely muster a smile on the podium even in the face of a win and likely championship. 

On another note, I think it is a shame-a true shame-the way our beautiful outdoor national series suffers due to excess injuries in a stadium series that has 30% too many rounds and builds tracks with obstacles that eat riders alive year after year.

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I would be very surprised if he comes back after that injury and his age.

 

was the injury because of his age? The older you get the more these types of injury’s can happen.

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This is probably a stupid thing to say...  but, I think if it were me, a SX championship down 7 points I would shoot it up with some novocaine and put it in a hard cast.  You telling me Eli couldn't finish in 16th place?  I know nothing about the injury but I know some guys have rode with some pretty gnarly injuries.  Maybe this one can't be aggravated.  He should take care of himself and his body...  but.... just saying what I would do.

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5/7/2023 12:47pm Edited Date/Time 5/7/2023 12:58pm
This is probably a stupid thing to say...  but, I think if it were me, a SX championship down 7 points I would shoot it up...

This is probably a stupid thing to say...  but, I think if it were me, a SX championship down 7 points I would shoot it up with some novocaine and put it in a hard cast.  You telling me Eli couldn't finish in 16th place?  I know nothing about the injury but I know some guys have rode with some pretty gnarly injuries.  Maybe this one can't be aggravated.  He should take care of himself and his body...  but.... just saying what I would do.

If he could have ridden with the injury last night he would have right? What makes you think it's going to be any better in a week? It would take for Eli to win and Sexton to finish 4th for a tie and Eli would get the title because of more wins.

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Have they stated whether the achilles was completely torn into? If it’s still partially intact perhaps the healing time wouldn’t be so drastic?

Bummer for Eli but they said it was ruptured. That means fully torn.

5/7/2023 1:05pm

he's done. that put out the fire. and kudos to him for the many memories and amazing races. enjoy retirement. wish i could "retire" at 30. lol. and i'm 47. 

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Tomac's wife said on IG : "Coming back stronger." Who knows. Possible that he doesn't want to leave the sport like this. 

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5/7/2023 2:11pm Edited Date/Time 5/7/2023 2:12pm
zlowery wrote:
These are screen-grabs from eli’s own IG. I realize the technique through these sorts of obstacles is “balls of your feet”. But was he excessive causing...

C1055A80-7B65-4ADA-B116-78A4CECD15E0.jpeg?VersionId=

These are screen-grabs from eli’s own IG. I realize the technique through these sorts of obstacles is “balls of your feet”. But was he excessive causing deterioration leading to last nights injury? Seems like the body just isnt meant to bend like a few of those.

To me it seems like tiger woods’ back situation. Nobody torqued it harder than tiger for years. Fast forward 20 years, his back issues before his car wreck really played into the approach of his game.. 

Either way, i hope to see eli back on top! 

that's good work. he seems to generally ride the bike like its a mountainbike. thats what you see with ppl riding flat pedals hard; ALOT of angle of attack on those things to stay planted on them. 

i wonder if theyve ever looked at canted peg mounts or at least parabolic peg surface profile..

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This is probably a stupid thing to say...  but, I think if it were me, a SX championship down 7 points I would shoot it up...

This is probably a stupid thing to say...  but, I think if it were me, a SX championship down 7 points I would shoot it up with some novocaine and put it in a hard cast.  You telling me Eli couldn't finish in 16th place?  I know nothing about the injury but I know some guys have rode with some pretty gnarly injuries.  Maybe this one can't be aggravated.  He should take care of himself and his body...  but.... just saying what I would do.

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If he could have ridden with the injury last night he would have right? What makes you think it's going to be any better in a...

If he could have ridden with the injury last night he would have right? What makes you think it's going to be any better in a week? It would take for Eli to win and Sexton to finish 4th for a tie and Eli would get the title because of more wins.

His foot and leg won’t work good enough to race a sx, even if it’s shot up.

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zlowery wrote:
These are screen-grabs from eli’s own IG. I realize the technique through these sorts of obstacles is “balls of your feet”. But was he excessive causing...

C1055A80-7B65-4ADA-B116-78A4CECD15E0.jpeg?VersionId=

These are screen-grabs from eli’s own IG. I realize the technique through these sorts of obstacles is “balls of your feet”. But was he excessive causing deterioration leading to last nights injury? Seems like the body just isnt meant to bend like a few of those.

To me it seems like tiger woods’ back situation. Nobody torqued it harder than tiger for years. Fast forward 20 years, his back issues before his car wreck really played into the approach of his game.. 

Either way, i hope to see eli back on top! 

Tyler D wrote:
that's good work. he seems to generally ride the bike like its a mountainbike. thats what you see with ppl riding flat pedals hard; ALOT of...

that's good work. he seems to generally ride the bike like its a mountainbike. thats what you see with ppl riding flat pedals hard; ALOT of angle of attack on those things to stay planted on them. 

i wonder if theyve ever looked at canted peg mounts or at least parabolic peg surface profile..

You can plant the back wheel really hard with that style of riding which means more acceleration and you have more control when things get hairy.  If he rode on his arches his Achilles would probably be fine but he wouldn’t be as fast and would probably crash more which would still mean no more championships.  

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zlowery wrote:
These are screen-grabs from eli’s own IG. I realize the technique through these sorts of obstacles is “balls of your feet”. But was he excessive causing...

C1055A80-7B65-4ADA-B116-78A4CECD15E0.jpeg?VersionId=

These are screen-grabs from eli’s own IG. I realize the technique through these sorts of obstacles is “balls of your feet”. But was he excessive causing deterioration leading to last nights injury? Seems like the body just isnt meant to bend like a few of those.

To me it seems like tiger woods’ back situation. Nobody torqued it harder than tiger for years. Fast forward 20 years, his back issues before his car wreck really played into the approach of his game.. 

Either way, i hope to see eli back on top! 

Tyler D wrote:
that's good work. he seems to generally ride the bike like its a mountainbike. thats what you see with ppl riding flat pedals hard; ALOT of...

that's good work. he seems to generally ride the bike like its a mountainbike. thats what you see with ppl riding flat pedals hard; ALOT of angle of attack on those things to stay planted on them. 

i wonder if theyve ever looked at canted peg mounts or at least parabolic peg surface profile..

wrc777 wrote:
You can plant the back wheel really hard with that style of riding which means more acceleration and you have more control when things get hairy...

You can plant the back wheel really hard with that style of riding which means more acceleration and you have more control when things get hairy.  If he rode on his arches his Achilles would probably be fine but he wouldn’t be as fast and would probably crash more which would still mean no more championships.  

agreed. its a great style

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5/7/2023 2:46pm Edited Date/Time 5/7/2023 2:55pm
wrc777 wrote:
You can plant the back wheel really hard with that style of riding which means more acceleration and you have more control when things get hairy...

You can plant the back wheel really hard with that style of riding which means more acceleration and you have more control when things get hairy.  If he rode on his arches his Achilles would probably be fine but he wouldn’t be as fast and would probably crash more which would still mean no more championships.  

Exactly. Everts was the first one I saw rode like that. Eli does it but keeping a neutral position on the bike. Sexton is more like Everts or Bailey. His riding is very on the front of the bike with his ass quite high and straight legs. You got so much traction when you do that. You can basically ride the bike with your trunk/abs/ankle/legs. It was I think the reason of Sexton weird crashes and he fixed. I could be wrong of course. Ride like that is like having chocks on your ankle but you can clipped your ankle when you coming up short on a jump...

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I haven’t felt like this since that goon landed on Rick Johnson’s hand..

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wrc777 wrote:
You can plant the back wheel really hard with that style of riding which means more acceleration and you have more control when things get hairy...

You can plant the back wheel really hard with that style of riding which means more acceleration and you have more control when things get hairy.  If he rode on his arches his Achilles would probably be fine but he wouldn’t be as fast and would probably crash more which would still mean no more championships.  

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Exactly. Everts was the first one I saw rode like that. Eli does it but keeping a neutral position on the bike. Sexton is more like...

Exactly. Everts was the first one I saw rode like that. Eli does it but keeping a neutral position on the bike. Sexton is more like Everts or Bailey. His riding is very on the front of the bike with his ass quite high and straight legs. You got so much traction when you do that. You can basically ride the bike with your trunk/abs/ankle/legs. It was I think the reason of Sexton weird crashes and he fixed. I could be wrong of course. Ride like that is like having chocks on your ankle but you can clipped your ankle when you coming up short on a jump...

Trials motorcycle technique by the way. Prado using that technique a lot as well. Young riders should ride trials motorcycle. It's one of the best training for MX. 

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5/7/2023 3:13pm Edited Date/Time 5/7/2023 3:14pm
Tyler D wrote:
that's good work. he seems to generally ride the bike like its a mountainbike. thats what you see with ppl riding flat pedals hard; ALOT of...

that's good work. he seems to generally ride the bike like its a mountainbike. thats what you see with ppl riding flat pedals hard; ALOT of angle of attack on those things to stay planted on them. 

i wonder if theyve ever looked at canted peg mounts or at least parabolic peg surface profile..

wrc777 wrote:
You can plant the back wheel really hard with that style of riding which means more acceleration and you have more control when things get hairy...

You can plant the back wheel really hard with that style of riding which means more acceleration and you have more control when things get hairy.  If he rode on his arches his Achilles would probably be fine but he wouldn’t be as fast and would probably crash more which would still mean no more championships.  

Tyler D wrote:

agreed. its a great style

The pocket of that jump combo was too aggressive. I think on a mellower take off it wouldn’t have happened. 
 

Hindsight is 20/20 but I wish he would have just rode it in for the title. 

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Wasn't able to watch the race last night and just finished it. I know I'm late to the party but man, I'm just gutted for Eli.

Unfortunately, it takes a lot of the sheen of the outdoors. Feeling really grateful I got to watch the epic season last year.

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lol at the amount of speculation here from people who have clearly not torn an achilles. 
 

I tore mine twice in one year. first time was torn riding. Balls of feet. Came up short. pop!!! Horrible pain. I rode the rest of the day. It was my brake foot so I could function using my heel.
 

First time no surgery (big mistake). Second time I had surgery. I was skiing and able to ride within 6 months. I’m not an athlete. 
 

An athlete like Eli in a sport like Moto that doesn’t require explosive movements off the toe will be back sooner than y’all think. 
 

also all the boots in the world wouldn’t stop this. I had Siri SRS when mine tore in Moto the same exact way coming up short on a jump on balls of feet. 

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something tells me that he will be back, not now, probably not next supercross season but when he does he will go out on top

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lol at the amount of speculation here from people who have clearly not torn an achilles.    I tore mine twice in one year. first time...

lol at the amount of speculation here from people who have clearly not torn an achilles. 
 

I tore mine twice in one year. first time was torn riding. Balls of feet. Came up short. pop!!! Horrible pain. I rode the rest of the day. It was my brake foot so I could function using my heel.
 

First time no surgery (big mistake). Second time I had surgery. I was skiing and able to ride within 6 months. I’m not an athlete. 
 

An athlete like Eli in a sport like Moto that doesn’t require explosive movements off the toe will be back sooner than y’all think. 
 

also all the boots in the world wouldn’t stop this. I had Siri SRS when mine tore in Moto the same exact way coming up short on a jump on balls of feet. 

Sidi crossfire have an ankle lock out but it doesn’t work very well. Tech 10 and Atojo have significantly more support. 

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wrc777 wrote:

Sidi crossfire have an ankle lock out but it doesn’t work very well. Tech 10 and Atojo have significantly more support. 

It’s still not going to stop an Achilles tearing injury.

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This is probably a stupid thing to say...  but, I think if it were me, a SX championship down 7 points I would shoot it up...

This is probably a stupid thing to say...  but, I think if it were me, a SX championship down 7 points I would shoot it up with some novocaine and put it in a hard cast.  You telling me Eli couldn't finish in 16th place?  I know nothing about the injury but I know some guys have rode with some pretty gnarly injuries.  Maybe this one can't be aggravated.  He should take care of himself and his body...  but.... just saying what I would do.

You literally have no strength or control of your foot with a torn achilles.   It has nothing to do with pain threshold.   You can't hold yourself up while standing on a foot peg unless you only stand on your heal.  

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5/7/2023 8:16pm

Tomac is not done. Stamp it. 

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This is probably a stupid thing to say...  but, I think if it were me, a SX championship down 7 points I would shoot it up...

This is probably a stupid thing to say...  but, I think if it were me, a SX championship down 7 points I would shoot it up with some novocaine and put it in a hard cast.  You telling me Eli couldn't finish in 16th place?  I know nothing about the injury but I know some guys have rode with some pretty gnarly injuries.  Maybe this one can't be aggravated.  He should take care of himself and his body...  but.... just saying what I would do.

Okay I’ve stared at this for three minutes now and I can’t figure out what the 16th place at SLC does for Tomac am I missing something?

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I really don’t think he’s returning. The earliest he could possibly return, if at all, would be 24 MX. But even that would take everything going...

I really don’t think he’s returning. The earliest he could possibly return, if at all, would be 24 MX. But even that would take everything going perfectly. 25 SX is likely the earliest we could see him, if he returns at all. Achilles injuries for top athletes are generally a 12-18 month injury. For most of the general population, it’s more like 18-24 months. It’s, quite literally, the worst injury for an athlete, aside from the super obvious life threatening ones.

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You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I have been in cutting sports/non assisted sports (MX is an Assisted sport) at a high...

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I have been in cutting sports/non assisted sports (MX is an Assisted sport) at a high level and guys were back to top form in 8-12 months. Full blown training in 6.  
 

In a non cutting sport/assisted sport, you can be back on the bike and training at pretty much 100% in 6 months.
 

why do we think our sport takes longer to recover for? Same sport that you can participate in 4-5 months after a full ACL reconstruction. We’ve seen guys WIN in under 6 months post op. That’ll take you out for 12 months in any cutting sport. 
 

With stem cells and internal bracing achilles injuries aren’t what they were 20 years ago. In europe there’s guys getting people back to training 3-4 months post ruptured achilles. 

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ACL is not an Achilles. You're optimistic. That’s to be admired to a certain extent. If you want to give the users here hope with your...

ACL is not an Achilles.

You're optimistic. That’s to be admired to a certain extent.

If you want to give the users here hope with your so called expertise then go ahead. No way will he be even close to ready for lining up at A1. That’s the reality of it, and as I said, 24 MX would be extremely unlikely.

If you’d like to revisit this thread at A1 in 24, I’ll save it to my bookmarks and quote your post to tell you I was right or I was wrong.

I’ll bet you if he wants to race A1 next year he will be physically capable of doing so. Pretty much every medical expert that has chimed in has mirrored that statement. MX is not a cutting sport. It’s an assisted sport. Now will he continue racing? I’m not betting either way on that. 
 

https://racerxonline.com/2020/04/23/injury-report-max-anstie

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What is that???????

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Man I hit this thread at the wrong time.  Thanks Mods for the clean up on aisle 4.  Sheesh.

 

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