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Yikes. Took it's toll this year.

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5/7/2023 6:42am

What a shame, someone in charge should look towards the future rather than short term gains. An Implosion is imminent. As a sport and business model the current direction will fall off quickly once the crop of 30yr olds quit racing and the over 40 crowd quits riding. What a shame.

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5/7/2023 6:48am

The injuries are piling up in MXGP also...

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I think Feld needs to figure out how to keep the rider’s healthy through the entire season. Whether that is with track redesign, limiting displacement/HP, something.   You can’t sustain fan interest if all the  stars are on the sidelines by the end of the season….. unless you are going for some “last man standing” kind of championship, which is where we are today.  I just hate seeing this as a war of attrition. 

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5/7/2023 6:52am

13 sx and 13 mx would help. Too many sx rounds.

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5/7/2023 6:53am
500 Mike wrote:
I think Feld needs to figure out how to keep the rider’s healthy through the entire season. Whether that is with track redesign, limiting displacement/HP, something...

I think Feld needs to figure out how to keep the rider’s healthy through the entire season. Whether that is with track redesign, limiting displacement/HP, something.   You can’t sustain fan interest if all the  stars are on the sidelines by the end of the season….. unless you are going for some “last man standing” kind of championship, which is where we are today.  I just hate seeing this as a war of attrition. 

Agree, and it's not just Feld. The rest of the sport needs to take notice also. We are blessed to have such advancements in orthopedics, etc but very few moms are going to love their little Johnny hitting a gigantic double at the rev limiter 

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5/7/2023 7:03am

The way society is today I think we’d get more fans if it was called deathcross. We could put fuel nozzles in the exhaust so hitting a button on the bar would shoot flames out the pipe,  make lapping riders interesting

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5/7/2023 7:07am

The challenge is there are literally millions of dollars at stake.

People will do crazy things for millions of dollars.

Like going way too fast on a dirt bike.

If you had a flat track with 125’s for that kind of money they would still be hitting the wall at full speed trying to win.

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500 Mike wrote:
I think Feld needs to figure out how to keep the rider’s healthy through the entire season. Whether that is with track redesign, limiting displacement/HP, something...

I think Feld needs to figure out how to keep the rider’s healthy through the entire season. Whether that is with track redesign, limiting displacement/HP, something.   You can’t sustain fan interest if all the  stars are on the sidelines by the end of the season….. unless you are going for some “last man standing” kind of championship, which is where we are today.  I just hate seeing this as a war of attrition. 

the outdoor series is diluted and thin, wondering what that will look like. Chase and Jettson I guess.

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5/7/2023 7:11am

This just in, if you ride a dirt bike long enough you most probably will get injured. As with any sport. So live in fear in a bubble or live your life and accept the consequences. 

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5/7/2023 7:14am

I posted this in another thread, but I'll post it here too. I can't place any of these injuries on Feld, but if you want to stretch, then it's Barcia's. I'd argue the dragon's back should be retired. Beyond that, everything else is just inherent dangers of the sport. Anderson, Craig, and AP were all practice crashes on different tracks. Webb was a freak accident that could happen even you turned SX into a curvy track with no jumps. Same with Eli's - only way to prevent that is to remove all jumps. If I remember correctly, didn't Stewart's injury happen at the practice track? Any injuries I'm missing where track design clearly contributed to the injury? 

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5/7/2023 9:54am
500 Mike wrote:
I think Feld needs to figure out how to keep the rider’s healthy through the entire season. Whether that is with track redesign, limiting displacement/HP, something...

I think Feld needs to figure out how to keep the rider’s healthy through the entire season. Whether that is with track redesign, limiting displacement/HP, something.   You can’t sustain fan interest if all the  stars are on the sidelines by the end of the season….. unless you are going for some “last man standing” kind of championship, which is where we are today.  I just hate seeing this as a war of attrition. 

Spot on.

Track design is putting people in ambulances nearly every weekend. 

I'm not going to blame the track on Elis injury though.    People rupture their Achilles playing basketball. 

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5/7/2023 9:58am
Magoofan wrote:
Spot on. Track design is putting people in ambulances nearly every weekend.  I'm not going to blame the track on Elis injury though.    People rupture...

Spot on.

Track design is putting people in ambulances nearly every weekend. 

I'm not going to blame the track on Elis injury though.    People rupture their Achilles playing basketball. 

Forkner crashed on a straight-a-way 3 seconds into the first race and was out for the season. It’s just a dangerous sport. 

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5/7/2023 10:01am Edited Date/Time 5/7/2023 10:05am

This thread is filled with over reactions.

Look at the Webb a Tomac injuries and explain how Feld and changes in track design prevent these.

Make the tracks easier and the racing gets closer and faster. They will push to the limit, and beyond, no matter the track.

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Magoofan wrote:
Spot on. Track design is putting people in ambulances nearly every weekend.  I'm not going to blame the track on Elis injury though.    People rupture...

Spot on.

Track design is putting people in ambulances nearly every weekend. 

I'm not going to blame the track on Elis injury though.    People rupture their Achilles playing basketball. 

aeffertz wrote:

Forkner crashed on a straight-a-way 3 seconds into the first race and was out for the season. It’s just a dangerous sport. 

Of course it's a dangerous sport...always has been.     There will be fluke accidents/injuries like Forkner, Webb, Eli.    But it is undeniable how every season more and more riders are carted off with severe or season ending injuries. 

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5/7/2023 10:12am
Magoofan wrote:
Spot on. Track design is putting people in ambulances nearly every weekend.  I'm not going to blame the track on Elis injury though.    People rupture...

Spot on.

Track design is putting people in ambulances nearly every weekend. 

I'm not going to blame the track on Elis injury though.    People rupture their Achilles playing basketball. 

aeffertz wrote:

Forkner crashed on a straight-a-way 3 seconds into the first race and was out for the season. It’s just a dangerous sport. 

Magoofan wrote:
Of course it's a dangerous sport...always has been.     There will be fluke accidents/injuries like Forkner, Webb, Eli.    But it is undeniable how every season...

Of course it's a dangerous sport...always has been.     There will be fluke accidents/injuries like Forkner, Webb, Eli.    But it is undeniable how every season more and more riders are carted off with severe or season ending injuries. 

Right, lets look past Eli, Cooper, and Forkner...they were flukes. How many other riders got hurt?

Gas gas team, husqvarna team, Ktm, all of PC, about half of Star. A lot of good dudes got hurt practicing or racing supercross. Not saying some of them wouldnt have gotten hurt racing mx but I think less would have gotten hurt racing mx.

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5/7/2023 11:18am

What about all the working stiffs and kids that get broke off ever weekend at lick skillet raceway doing insane 120 foot single to tables on over powered 4 strokes. 
 

and all the carbon belched out the exhaust warming the planet and melting polar ice 

don’t forget the erosion on Mother Earth Gia washing silt into the rivers.. wasted water washing mud off.

dirtbikes should be banned for so many reasons, keep up the good work fellas

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YLLIBLLIH wrote:
What about all the working stiffs and kids that get broke off ever weekend at lick skillet raceway doing insane 120 foot single to tables on...

What about all the working stiffs and kids that get broke off ever weekend at lick skillet raceway doing insane 120 foot single to tables on over powered 4 strokes. 
 

and all the carbon belched out the exhaust warming the planet and melting polar ice 

don’t forget the erosion on Mother Earth Gia washing silt into the rivers.. wasted water washing mud off.

dirtbikes should be banned for so many reasons, keep up the good work fellas

Yeah, for sure, no, maybe.

You forgot to mention how obnoxiously LOUD "these machines" have become. 

Gotta have something to do with all the homies getting wadded up this year...

There's a connection there...trust me. 🙄

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aeffertz wrote:

Forkner crashed on a straight-a-way 3 seconds into the first race and was out for the season. It’s just a dangerous sport. 

Magoofan wrote:
Of course it's a dangerous sport...always has been.     There will be fluke accidents/injuries like Forkner, Webb, Eli.    But it is undeniable how every season...

Of course it's a dangerous sport...always has been.     There will be fluke accidents/injuries like Forkner, Webb, Eli.    But it is undeniable how every season more and more riders are carted off with severe or season ending injuries. 

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Right, lets look past Eli, Cooper, and Forkner...they were flukes. How many other riders got hurt? Gas gas team, husqvarna team, Ktm, all of PC, about...

Right, lets look past Eli, Cooper, and Forkner...they were flukes. How many other riders got hurt?

Gas gas team, husqvarna team, Ktm, all of PC, about half of Star. A lot of good dudes got hurt practicing or racing supercross. Not saying some of them wouldnt have gotten hurt racing mx but I think less would have gotten hurt racing mx.

You say “look past”, but it’s after Eli’s injury that we’re getting so much of this talk. If Webb and Tomac didn’t have their problems, we wouldn’t have this reaction this weekend.

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5/7/2023 12:54pm

We don’t need 4 feet deep. Whoops, dragon backs. We need old school side-by-side racing, and whoever lets off latest to the turn passes a guy this would be way more entertaining than most of the track flying through the air.

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The sport is evolving and the skill/technique and bikes are different now to when you were apparently doing 10ft doubles on your twin shock scramblers. To reduce the difficulty of the tracks will do nothing other than make races boring with less opportunity to make passes - every year injuries happen (both during racing AND on practice tracks) and every year the retirement village cries about it and blames the race tracks only??

Go watch flat track

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5/7/2023 1:13pm
YLLIBLLIH wrote:
What about all the working stiffs and kids that get broke off ever weekend at lick skillet raceway doing insane 120 foot single to tables on...

What about all the working stiffs and kids that get broke off ever weekend at lick skillet raceway doing insane 120 foot single to tables on over powered 4 strokes. 
 

and all the carbon belched out the exhaust warming the planet and melting polar ice 

don’t forget the erosion on Mother Earth Gia washing silt into the rivers.. wasted water washing mud off.

dirtbikes should be banned for so many reasons, keep up the good work fellas

You forgot the soot from their 6.0,s hauling said pollutants to the track and chick's formaldehyde contaminated vape smoke spilling into the atmosphere 

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peltier626 wrote:
What a shame, someone in charge should look towards the future rather than short term gains. An Implosion is imminent. As a sport and business model...

What a shame, someone in charge should look towards the future rather than short term gains. An Implosion is imminent. As a sport and business model the current direction will fall off quickly once the crop of 30yr olds quit racing and the over 40 crowd quits riding. What a shame.

They absolutely need to open up the 250 class for old champs.  In the next two years we’re going to loose Eli (regardless of the injury) Barcia, Marv, web, Anderson, rockzen, etc.  they’re all going to retire to world sx garbage. If they open up the 250 class those guys can revamp on the small class to at least keep them around 

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bigk218 wrote:
They absolutely need to open up the 250 class for old champs.  In the next two years we’re going to loose Eli (regardless of the injury)...

They absolutely need to open up the 250 class for old champs.  In the next two years we’re going to loose Eli (regardless of the injury) Barcia, Marv, web, Anderson, rockzen, etc.  they’re all going to retire to world sx garbage. If they open up the 250 class those guys can revamp on the small class to at least keep them around 

Fastest qualifying lap was on a 250 yesterday.

5/7/2023 1:37pm

Maybe the track designers need to look to the past.  Three words: Mickey Thompson Ultracross.

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Roczen is now the only rider in the field who’s completed every lap of the 450 mains this season.

 

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5/7/2023 2:38pm

I guess I'm on the minority side of this thread. This sport has been filled with injuries and accidents since it was formed. Only now that we have full televised race coverage and 24/7 forums that keep us all overly informed do we get fans talking about how "dangerous" it is and how it needs to be watered down.

Here's a clue for all of you bubble world believers that this sport could be less "dangerous". You can stick all the guys on 350's but the mechanics and engine builders will figure out how to make them just as fast as the 450's. You can tame down the tracks but that will only make the riders go that must faster and they will still crash and get injured. You can point the finger at Feld or whomever but that only makes things become more costly with the lawyers telling them to spend more on insurance protection. 

At the end of the day NO ONE is forcing any of these riders to be out there. They, along with every one of us who have been injured or crashed on a track knows the risk and THEY/WE should be the only ones to take responsibility of our actions. Make this sport safer for the riders??? Ain't gonna happen, especially on a Pro level so if the injuries and pain of these riders really bother you this badly then maybe you should switch to the golf channel. 

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5/7/2023 2:43pm

13 sx and 13 mx would help. Too many sx rounds.

More likely 17 SX and 8 outdoors. SX is where the money is made

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CPR wrote:

Roczen is now the only rider in the field who’s completed every lap of the 450 mains this season.

 

I do not recall Sexton DNF'ing any races

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